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Author Topic: Has anyone heard how to replicate the John Kanzius salt water burn experiment?  (Read 9393 times)

Offline leeroyjenkinsii

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Anyone?  Is there any news on this front?

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Offline leeroyjenkinsii

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By the way for those that don't think this was real I have a very simple repeatable experiment for you although it won't generate results as good.  Take a 20 oz plastic bottle cap and fill it with salt and water.  Put it in the microwave and watch it until it gets pretty near evaporation.  It will spark and flame up.  If the frequency were right then I bet it'd do the same as Kanzius.  I know the frequency for microwaves are much higher so.  By the way Kanzius experiment used 300 watts.  Also, I believe the reason the flame burned so brightly was because the radio waves were creating plasma from the  burning gas.  Just my two cents.

Try the microwave trick.  Really neat and won't mess up your microwave.  Has anyone here created a plasma ball in their microwave?  That's neat too...check it out on Youtube.

Offline onthecuttingedge2005

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Anyone?  Is there any news on this front?

it had lots of headlines but nobody helped, no contributions, no help what so ever, it will fall dead in its tracks like all the other non funded.

it takes finances to get it off the ground but nobody wants to part with their money to help the adventure.

a victim of finances is the common reality.

or we can just blame somebody else and call it a conspiracy! that sounds more fun don't it.

everyone who didn't help financially is responsible for what has not come to attention among the energy crowd.

hardly anybody today will not help to save their own lives for fear of some scam, blame that on internet crooks but you are still a victim of fear.

besides, John Kanzius solution is still not the answer to the worlds problems, only full band gap infrared solar voltaic at this point can solve the energy crisis because it uses all that wasted energy as energy!

Jerry ;)

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Offline mscoffman

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it had lots of headlines but nobody helped, no contributions, no help what so ever, it will fall dead in its tracks like all the other non funded.


Not true...Reputable scientists did duplicated his exact experiments.
Just google it. Having an enclosed system do this could verify CF cold
fusion. What did not happen though, was any experiments to prove
overunity energy production.

:S:MarkSCoffman

Offline onthecuttingedge2005

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Not true...Reputable scientists did duplicated his exact experiments.
Just google it. Having an enclosed system do this could verify CF cold
fusion. What did not happen though, was any experiments to prove
overunity energy production.

:S:MarkSCoffman

Hi Mark.

did you invest in it? how many people or foundations do you know that funded the project?

the process made salt water burn not fuse. I have no evidence of any fusion reactions? where is your source? did it come from a peer reviewed document or literature stating that there were indications of a Fusion reaction taking place.

if there is a peer reviewed document stating any kind of fusion reaction taking place I sure missed it, I would like to study the document itself, if it exists. I love to study.

if you find any peer reviewed documentation of a fusion reaction with the John Kanzius salt water burn experiment then please post it here.

Jerry ;)

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Offline EMdevices

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Somebody else has picked up this research, his name is Dr. RUSTOM ROY

http://www.rustumroy.com/

Browse that link and you will reach one of his papers on burning salt water.  He uses a frequency of 13.59 MHz, and about 300 watts.

http://www.rustumroy.com/Scans/Observations%20of%20polarized%20MRI%20vol%2012%20is%201.pdf

EM
« Last Edit: September 09, 2009, 07:39:18 AM by EMdevices »

Offline onthecuttingedge2005

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The problem with burning salt water is the disassociation of Chlorine into the atmosphere, Chlorine gas building up in the atmosphere might cause higher atmospheric corrosion problems and chlorine is a very very strong irritant for the lungs, eyes and mucous membranes.

I think it would cause problems if it went into mass production.

the project would have to eliminate the Salt from the water molecule.

chlorine would also rapidly corrode all parts that were not made inert to chlorine exposure.

Jerry :)

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Offline Farrah Day

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Jerry, not sure what you're talking about with reference to financing the project. I have seen or heard nothing of investment opportunities.  After Kanzuius death, someone will surely have picked up and continued his work on the cancer research.

And as someone pointed out Professor R. Roy picked up on the saltwater burning phenomenon and continued experimenting. 

I've spoken to this guy, but he was not very forthcoming. Basically he just says keep checking out his web site for updates.

My key questions were:

Will any good electrolyte work or does it specifically need to be NaCl?

Is chlorine gas being evolved - if not do you know what gas or gases are?

He was very vague and did not answer any question specifically. I'm inclined to believe he will keep any new findings to himself until he devises a specific technology to make use of this phenomenon.

I know the power input is fairly irrelevant, as only a small proportion of the RF would be acting on a small test tube, and I'm not convinced it would provide OU. What is really interesting is, if hydrogen and oxygen (or chlorine) are being evolved, how are the ions exchanging charges without an exchange medium.  This is the real crux of the matter and why someone said it might be the most interesting discovery in the last 100 years. However, for this mean anything you have to understand how normal electrolysis works - then you will realise just how extraordinary this reaction appears.

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The problem with burning salt water is the disassociation of Chlorine into the atmosphere, Chlorine gas building up in the atmosphere might cause higher atmospheric corrosion problems and chlorine is a very very strong irritant for the lungs, eyes and mucous membranes.

I think it would cause problems if it went into mass production.

the project would have to eliminate the Salt from the water molecule.

chlorine would also rapidly corrode all parts that were not made inert to chlorine exposure.

What do you mean eliminate the salt from the water molecule? The salt is a free ion, the water molecule is... well a molecule or cluster of molecules.

Furthermore, I doubt you could eliminate the salt at all as this is likely the reason the reaction occurs in the first place. And, as I've pointed out, it has yet to be established if chlorine is actually evolving at all. This is far from standard electrolysis, so I wouldn't necessarily expect the same gases to be evolving.

You will notice too, a steadily burning flame - try to get that from you electrolyser!
« Last Edit: September 09, 2009, 11:02:36 PM by Farrah Day »

Offline onthecuttingedge2005

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I think it needs to be placed in a gas analyzer to determine the Chlorine output of the reactions if any, I said what I said because it should be done to insure safety scientifically.

if the salt is truly remaining unchanged then I have no complaints but I have not heard of any documentation on the out gassing of the reaction using gas analyzers.

I don't mean by the human nose test, it has to be verified for enviromental saftey concerns. I don't want the whole world smelling like an over chlorinated swimming pool from +6 billion automobiles running on salt water inside 10 years.

Jerry :)
« Last Edit: September 10, 2009, 03:01:48 AM by onthecuttingedge2005 »

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Offline Cloxxki

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Fascinating! And, it luckily made it to the news : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OklIm5a1Lc

Were the involved researchers contacted since? Surely, if they've come to their conclusions, they won't be able to sleep until they'v scaled this up, safely?

Offline dankie

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There is nothing on his technique besides speculation .

From the looks of it , it is complex and expensive and requires much skill in the art .

You should forget about that thing seriously ... No patent to reverse-engineer , no nothing ...

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Offline mscoffman

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Hi Mark.

did you invest in it? how many people or foundations do you know that funded the project?

the process made salt water burn not fuse. I have no evidence of any fusion reactions? where is your source? did it come from a peer reviewed document or literature stating that there were indications of a Fusion reaction taking place.

if there is a peer reviewed document stating any kind of fusion reaction taking place I sure missed it, I would like to study the document itself, if it exists. I love to study.

if you find any peer reviewed documentation of a fusion reaction with the John Kanzius salt water burn experiment then please post it here.

Jerry ;)

If water from water vapor is not returned to the "mix" then the build
-up of chlorine and sodium would begin to become a problem. This suggests
confining the media and the flame inside a glass container where water
vapor would condense and drain back into the mix, would be work and be
interesting to watch. Sodium ions would probably be captured in the flame
imparting a yellow color to the flame.

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As to CF Cold fusion. Cold Fusion is *speculated* to happen when mechanical
photons are deposited into a hydrogen bearing liquid. I think the energy
deposited by RF waves at higher levels would be sufficient to initiate
cavitation bubbles. There is no large scale "metal matrix" like a platinum
electrode to act as a target for TCB terminal cavitation bubbles though
in this liquid. But something else may function as the target material, in this
case for example, sodium or chloride ions.

It would be very easy to submerge two glass containers and heat then
with identical powered RF waves in a "water" bath and see if one raised it's
bath to a different temperature than the other one.

As I have indicated previously, changing the D deuterium levels in
the fluid is very easy for scientists to do and would indicate whether
any extra energy is coming from the CF reaction of D^2. Light hydrogen
only would not CF fuse while pure D2O should create maximum CF
excess heat.

John Kanzius would have been speculating about any excess
energy but its somewhat possible that there actually might be
some.  Normal people, not understanding CF, only see CF at natural
deuterium/hydrogen isotopic ratios of .000625 deuterium atom to every
hydrogen atom. Worse because the CF D^2 reaction has
only .000625*.000625 probability. (a metal matrix may conduct the
electrical and mechanical fields of the collapsing TCB's to a place that has
the D^2 configuration ready to fuse.)

The experimental question one *might* be left with is; Why would
a water fluid containing more vs less deuterium hydrogen isotope
emit heat energies at very different levels when excited by the same
input energy waves? This would be highly suggestive that CF is
actually occurring. A negative result wouldn't say so much, and again
pure light water should not support any CF excess energy at all.

:S:MarkSCoffman

 

Offline Sergh

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A very important patent from a reputable source:
https://patents.google.com/patent/DE102011081915A1/en
There is an important point in it, the decomposition of water occurs in a thin water film.

Thin film ... many thin films .. many many very thin films ..

Offline kolbacict

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the thinnest films are in soap bubbles. And if you irradiate a bubble ..or foam ...
I'm really smart ... :P 8)

Offline Sergh

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It is possible to create much thinner films. At the molecular level.

 

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