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Title: Bedini Motor/generator questions
Post by: _GonZo_ on March 07, 2006, 01:26:27 PM
Hello to all,

I am new new here and find it by casuality, as I am on the battery bussines I am very interested in this device... But I am facing manny questions, may be you can help me.
As you suposse I am ver eskeptical about this, but I have found out in manny places including here (Mr. Joe) lot of people that says having this machinne working and what is more interesting the results they say are very similar, to make it simple: they charge 3 to 4 bateries out of the power extracted from one...
That coincidence in the results makes me think that may be there is something interesting here...

Questions:

First of all, I dot find differences betwen this device and a normal magnetic dinamo apart that in most magnetics dinamos the turning parts are the coils instead of the magnets, can someone clarify this to me?

Of course that moving a magnet in front of a coil will create a EMF in the coil that will produce current in the coil and of course that that current can be rectify and used to charge a battery or what ever... but as in the first question is it not the same as in a magnetic dinamo???

A magnectic dinamo can have up to a 90% eficiency (usually much less) that means that if we use 2W mechanical power to move it we will only able to take out around 1,8W of electric power out of it, so where does all the rest of power that is claimed comes from???

I have more questions but this are the most importand ones at the moment.

Thank you very much for your time.

Sorry if my english is not correct but my mother tong is Spanish.
Title: Re: Bedini Motor/generator questions
Post by: Duranza on March 07, 2006, 03:26:13 PM
Hey there.. There is no difference in what is rotating.. the magnets or the coils.. You get the same result. The advantage of rotating the magnets is that you eliminate the brushes.
Title: Re: Bedini Motor/generator questions
Post by: joe on March 07, 2006, 04:49:30 PM
Hi Gonzo,

The use of the Bedini system is to catch the "back emf". This back emf as no current  only pure energy from the vacuum. Adam's motor is working with the same principle. If you did not try this yet, try to built the simple SG energiser and you will see the effect by yourself. The machines i builted in the past were able to charge many batteries at the same time with only one battery at the primary.

Check this address for more info on how to built it.

Joe

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Bedini_SG
Title: Re: Bedini Motor/generator questions
Post by: gyulasun on March 07, 2006, 05:28:12 PM
Hi Gonzo,

If you feel like reading on the Bedini-SG (SG=School Girl for short) and SSG (Simplified SG), there is a just ongoing discussion/test in the Bedini-SG yahoo mail group if it is overunity or what: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_SG/
You can freely join/become a member there and go through the mails and files or pictures sections.
The other source Joe mentioned is also good to get acquainted with the subject.
regards
Gyula
Title: Re: Bedini Motor/generator questions
Post by: _GonZo_ on March 07, 2006, 10:09:22 PM
Thank you very much for your info.

I already knew the places you sent me, and still do not get it really well.
Any way, even if I do not understand it, does not mean it can not work, so I am thinking in built and test one of this machines. I will open a new post about it, and I am pretty sure I will need a lot of help...

Joe, what is "back emf as no current  only pure energy from the vacuum"? Sounds to me like star wars force  ;D ;)
Title: Re: Bedini Motor/generator questions
Post by: z_p_e on September 11, 2006, 08:24:11 PM
Hey Dave. Thanks for that info.

Does John mention at all how to go about determining the resonant frequency of the battery? I presume also that every battery probably has a different frequency?

Regards,
z_p_e
Title: Re: Bedini Motor/generator questions
Post by: z_p_e on September 12, 2006, 12:42:12 AM
Hi Dave.

Yeah, that's what I thought we would have to do to determine the frequency.

It will take some experimentation and patience.

z_p_e
Title: Re: Bedini Motor/generator questions
Post by: nat1971a on March 01, 2007, 03:27:19 AM
Hi,

Please have a look at this link which i just recently found.
http://www.fight-4-truth.com/Schematics.html

It shows the bedini setup in both a physical representation as well as the schematics. The physical representation is is much easier to understand, once you have bought all the parts, for people like myself who know very little about electronics. It may take some time to perfect the construction of the rotor. I used an old plastic bmx wheel and used plastic cable ties to hold the magnets to the wheel. This was much better than using glue.

Nat
Title: Re: Bedini Motor/generator questions
Post by: idnick on March 14, 2007, 02:46:27 PM
Check this out!!  Looks like this guy figgured it out.


Bedini Cole Window Motor   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rl1dI9YCi8

Dave
Title: Re: Bedini Motor/generator questions
Post by: gyulasun on March 14, 2007, 03:59:33 PM
In the meantime, John Bedini himself did not manage to replicate Mike's setup and concluded there must have been a hidden battery somewhere in Mike's setup.
(By the way, Mike disappeared from the gn0sis Forum well before Bedini and other replicators could switch on their own window motors.)

Gyula
Title: Re: Bedini Motor/generator questions
Post by: idnick on March 14, 2007, 08:46:16 PM
I've often wondered about the little 9 V battery in a multimeter being used in some hidden way, because a multimeter always seems to be one of the tools on the table  ;)

Dave
Title: Re: Bedini Motor/generator questions
Post by: ruin41 on October 16, 2007, 03:24:42 PM
Ok i see some interesting questions and theories here but again you seem to all have neglected the facts.

Lets start with the myth ...take a 9 volt battery that we all know from our youth as being high on price and short on life ... anything that used one of these didn't run for long ... build a motor of reasonable size ... which has nothing to do with its draw requirement but clearly is 20 times the size of anything found in the short life electric toys we all know so well and display it to the world.

Extend the myth with a slight variation of the truth and confuse the people further.

So we have a motor 20 times the size, that ran for a week on a battery known to only run a smaller motor for an hour ... how can this possibly be ??

Well guess what is so easy its not funny ... first the old motor that only ran for an hour was actually doing something ...like driving a car while this one does nothing ... no load for those of you who don't see the importance of this.

Now lets examine the "facts" a week is 7 days 24 hours a day ... thats 168 hours.

Now I'm running on memory here so you can go check these facts for yourselves so please excuse me if I'm not 100% correct but these are the facts as i remember them.

The school science fair was on for a week ...but thats a school week 5 days not 7 ...opps we are down to 120 hours, but wait theres more ... a school day may be 8 hours ( thats 40 hours), but the fair was only open 6 hours a day so in fact the week it ran for was only 30 hours.

If memory serves me correctly the published draw of the motor was a mere 14 milliwatts so it used a total of 84 milliwatts of power per day, could there possibly be that much power in a 9 volt battery ??

Well yes as it turns out, i popped out to my local supermarket and looked at the 9 volt batteries and wouldn't you believe it the cheapest one was 595 millivolts and the dearest was 950 millivolts.

Bloody hell i thought i would never have believed that unless i saw it with my own 2 eyes .... and then the maths .... 5 days times 6 hours equals 30 total hours times 14 milliwatts equals 420 milliwatts total consumption for the entire event and the cheapest battery could have carried on running it for another 4.2 hours without dropping past its rated usable power .... which we all know would still leave more in the battery.

Now add to this the documented spiking that is emitted from these motors and this motor should have been able to run for a couple of weeks but the reality here is that it did not even run to the expected run time for the battery used and it only looks good because what you believe and know to be true is masking the reality of this scenario and if you cant see that after confirming what i have said above then good luck in pursuing this pipe dream.

Title: Re: Bedini Motor/generator questions
Post by: gandalf on October 22, 2007, 12:40:46 AM
ruin41,

you also chose to neglect the facts. If you read the article correctly, you would have read that the same 9V battery lasted for a month or so and that the battery had only been replaced 3 times in 6 months.

Do the math on that.

Here's the link to the article: http://www.icehouse.net/john34/bedinibearden.html

John
Title: Re: Bedini Motor/generator questions
Post by: Ren on October 22, 2007, 05:10:40 AM
@ ruin. This motor was built by a little school, with the help of Bedini, but never the less a very simplified version. I dont see why you are so skeptical of its performance.

Go watch energy from the vacuum part 2 and start explaining the things you see there. Or perhaps you have some of your own research where you have BUILT AND TESTED your own replication? I dont see why people bother to be skeptical about something they have not personally tested or verified. Maybe I'm wrong and you have a warehouse of monopoles that you have built and tested to no avail.... if so please share your findings. ;)

@ gonzo. I believe the motor is different to a conventional motor because it is an open path design. There are alot of theories and confusion surrounding them, I believe the best way to learn about them is to build one as close to spec and then complete load tests and document all relavant data. There are a couple of forum groups that do this collectively that are worth joining/checking out.