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triffid

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #765 on: November 22, 2010, 07:40:58 AM »

the_big_m_in_ok

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #766 on: November 25, 2010, 12:19:54 AM »
More than half of all members of congress are millionaires.One was worth over 300 million.
That may be so, but look at this:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101124/ap_on_bi_ge/eu_europe_financial_crisis

This is getting worse and worse.  Millionaires may be a thing of the past, as it were.  As I said in another post on this thread, the 'peripherals'---EU countries like Ireland and especially Spain---should be watched carefully.  If they default, it's going to get more than just *serious* economically.

Then there's the obvious maniac in North Korea who may not care if he gets East Asia into a gravely dire shooting war with the U.S.A.

"Things" are going downhill.

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #767 on: November 26, 2010, 12:05:34 AM »

triffid

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #768 on: November 28, 2010, 04:29:37 AM »
    There is nothing that can reassure markets when three Irish banks are sitting on over 1.5 trillion euros in bad debt. (Spanish banks are sitting on over three times that). There is nothing reassuring when, just after receiving a massive bailout, the Greek government revised their growth figures downwards and their debt figures upwards again. There is nothing reassuring when ask the average man or woman on the street in Dublin, "What do you think will happen?" and they say, "We'll take the money then we'll default. What's the worst that could happen? They'd drain the German and French treasuries to protect the euro". Institutional investors will do what they always do - take the money and run to a safe haven.
    It's fine in hindsight to say "We never should have let countries like Greece and Ireland join the euro - should have known they would abuse their privileges" but the boat has already left the dock.
    The best thing anybody can do is let those banks fail, and let those other banks with so much money invested in the (always risky) Irish banks fail, too. Write off what you can, let the chips fall where they may. What you'll end up with are solvent, reliable banking institutions like the Cooperative Bank, instead of the unreliable and totally irresponsible Anglo Irish, Allied Irish, Northern Rock and RBS, and a return to a banking system which existed for hundreds of years which didn't need government regulation because they didn't make loans to people or other institutions who could not possibly repay them. Banks which existed to hold and protect their investors' money, not gamble it on subprime mortgages in Ireland, Spain and (mainly) the U.S.


triffid

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #769 on: November 28, 2010, 04:32:30 AM »
Other things to consider many governments are in denial about their debt
and the crisis is far from over,it is getting worse.triffid

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #770 on: November 28, 2010, 05:41:58 AM »
    There is nothing that can reassure markets when three Irish banks are sitting on over 1.5 trillion euros in bad debt. (Spanish banks are sitting on over three times that). There is nothing reassuring when, just after receiving a massive bailout, the Greek government revised their growth figures downwards and their debt figures upwards again. There is nothing reassuring when ask the average man or woman on the street in Dublin, "What do you think will happen?" and they say, "We'll take the money then we'll default. What's the worst that could happen? They'd drain the German and French treasuries to protect the euro".
Yes!  That's the worst that can happen!  The Germans are already complaining that they're, "Not swimming in money."

Precisely.  This can't go on for a great deal longer.  Europeans are become scared of the future, I think.  Rightly so.  This is a bad situation all around.
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Institutional investors will do what they always do - take the money and run to a safe haven.
    It's fine in hindsight to say "We never should have let countries like Greece and Ireland join the euro - should have known they would abuse their privileges" but the boat has already left the dock.
    The best thing anybody can do is let those banks fail, and let those other banks with so much money invested in the (always risky) Irish banks fail, too. Write off what you can, let the chips fall where they may. What you'll end up with are solvent, reliable banking institutions like the Cooperative Bank, instead of the unreliable and totally irresponsible Anglo Irish, Allied Irish, Northern Rock and RBS, and a return to a banking system which existed for hundreds of years which didn't need government regulation because they didn't make loans to people or other institutions who could not possibly repay them.
Many years ago, in high school, a 'nerd' I hung around with intimated to me that the present crisis(today) was unavoidable and would cause the 'whole house of cards to collapse', as he put it.  Why, there's more that 100 times the money in circulation now than in 1929.  No one who even lives to be 10,000 years old will be able to legally pay of the debts incurred before---and at---the collapse.  Banks probably won't be around to be a factor at that time.  They'll be toast by then.
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Banks which existed to hold and protect their investors' money, not gamble it on subprime mortgages in Ireland, Spain and (mainly) the U.S.
To be cynical and truthful, a financial whistleblower wrote a book exposing an insider's view of Wall Street and then testified to Congress.  The data informant he named in testimony suffered a fatal car accident the next day.

Wonder why?

--Lee

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #771 on: November 28, 2010, 06:13:06 AM »
On top of it all you have to worry about ATM theft.   http://finance.yahoo.com/banking-budgeting/article/111407/atm-fraud-gets-even-more-brazen   triffid

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #772 on: November 28, 2010, 06:16:50 AM »
One thing to do is to cover the keypad with your hand so no camera can see your PIN.


then here is a post from another reader:In Malaysia, crooks tap your shoulder as you're standing in front of the ATM waiting for your money. Modus Operandi is simple, they tap your shoulder, you turn and they tell you that you dropped some money. You look down and see some notes; this is the time they take out your card and replace it with a dummy card. You can't tell coz both cards don't have your name on it. Then they say it is a mistake, the money isn't your, it's theirs and they quickly leave with your card and your PIN (remember, one of them stand closely behind you to see you entering the PIN before they tap your shoulder). A friend of mind lost RM6,000 (about 3,000 dollars) in a week before she realized it.

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #773 on: November 28, 2010, 06:33:33 AM »
Since the bailouts of the big banks Many of them have put the gas petal
to the foreclosure process in an effort to foreclose on as many homes as they can and turn around and resell them with clean paperwork.In florida alone a  special court was set up to rubberstamp as many foreclosures as possible.The article is in The November 2010 edition of the "Rolling stones".The fla system is nicknamed the "the rocket docket".The main interest of the judges is to process as many as they can in an hour without even being concerned with proper paperwork .Hence errors occurr in nearly 100% of the mortgages being foreclosed on.In some cases the banks told homeowners to not pay for three months so they would be considered for loan modications but kept no records of who they gave permission to fall behind payments to.There was a lot of fraud committed by the banks in the sub prime mess.But our legal system supports the banks nearly 100% against the average homeowner.

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #774 on: November 28, 2010, 12:53:00 PM »

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #775 on: November 29, 2010, 10:43:25 PM »
CAN'T YOU SEE IT?
The economic crisis in Ireland and other EU countries has nothing to do with socialism or social programs. It is the result of UNRESTRAINED CAPITALISM. the same thing that happened here int he U.S. Financial institutions made risky bets that resulted in huge losses and now they are looking for a government bailout at the expense of YOU THE TAXPAYER.. THE TAXPAYERS ARE PAYING FOR THE BAD HABIT OF GAMBLING WITH THE ECONOMY BY THE RICH AND THE CORPORATIONS.
It is really amazing to me how ignorant people are in this country. Why don't you take a basic economics class, or go to Europe yourself and talk to people to learn about their system. If you are getting your knowledge of world affairs from Fox news and AM radio you are being woefully MANIPULATED AND MISINFORMED.
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The oligarchy and plutocracy the 'ruling class" have you brainwashed lemmings believing: If you start talking about the inequlities of income they will call you a "socialist" "Commie", "maxist"
I do not know which makes a man more conservative — to know nothing but the present, or nothing but the past.
Today, because of stagnating wages and higher costs for basic necessities, the average two-wage-earner family has less disposable income than a one-wage-earner family did a generation ago. The average American today is underpaid, overworked and stressed out as to what the future will bring for his or her children. For many, the American dream has become a nightmare.
But, not everybody is hurting. While the middle class disappears and poverty increases the wealthiest people in our country are not only doing extremely well, they are using their wealth and political power to protect and expand their very privileged status at the expense of everyone else. This upper-crust of extremely wealthy families are hell-bent on destroying the democratic vision of a strong middle-class which has made the United States the envy of the world. In its place they are determined to create an oligarchy in which a small number of families control the economic and political life of our country.
The 400 richest families in America, who saw their wealth increase by some $400 billion during the Bush years, have now accumulated $1.27 trillion in wealth. Four hundred families! During the last fifteen years, while these enormously rich people became much richer their effective tax rates were slashed almost in half. While the highest-paid 400 Americans had an average income of $345 million in 2007, as a result of Bush tax policy they now pay an effective tax rate of 16.6 percent, the lowest on record.
Last year, the top twenty-five hedge fund managers made a combined $25 billion but because of tax policy their lobbyists helped write, they pay a lower effective tax rate than many teachers, nurses and police officers. As a result of tax havens in the Cayman Islands, Bermuda and elsewhere, the wealthy and large corporations are evading some $100 billion a year in U.S. taxes. . . .
But it's not just wealthy individuals who grotesquely manipulate the system for their benefit. It's the multinational corporations they own and control. In 2009, Exxon Mobil, the most profitable corporation in history made $19 billion in profits and not only paid no federal income tax—they actually received a $156 million refund from the government. If you just ask just compensation for your hard work, Is that Marxism, Communism?

the_big_m_in_ok

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #776 on: November 30, 2010, 12:12:28 AM »
On top of it all you have to worry about ATM theft.   http://finance.yahoo.com/banking-budgeting/article/111407/atm-fraud-gets-even-more-brazen   triffid
I saw a morning TV cable news program segment that featured that problem.  An Internet company sells conductive, (probably metallic) sleeves that slip over your credit/debit card which shields the card from detection.
(Covering the card with aluminum foil will do the same thing, but is a crumpled hassle to deal with.)

Also, triffid is right about the Europeans and their debt.
I say, if the Irish have been bailed out, and their still scared about the future of their money and economies, they have reason to be.  No amount of money they throw at the problem will stop their, and our own, downward slide---as triffid and I have indicated all along.

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #777 on: November 30, 2010, 04:34:08 AM »
That may be so, but look at this:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101124/ap_on_bi_ge/eu_europe_financial_crisis

This is getting worse and worse.  Millionaires may be a thing of the past, as it were.
Case in point:

http://finance.yahoo.com/banking-budgeting/article/111434/familys-fall-from-affluence-is-swift-and-hard
(This article may---or may not---be replaced in the future with fresher news on the news agency's computer's hard drive.)

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #778 on: December 01, 2010, 03:52:12 PM »
free land if you will homestead it.   http://realestate.yahoo.com/promo/7-towns-where-land-is-free.html   triffid

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #779 on: December 01, 2010, 04:39:53 PM »
Some ways to reduce your debt.Don'tforget to read readers posts.
http://financiallyfit.yahoo.com/finance/article-111092-7153-1-how-she-paid-off-big-debt-in-a-few-short-years   triffid