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X00013

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #570 on: June 24, 2010, 03:10:01 AM »
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the_big_m_in_ok

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #571 on: June 24, 2010, 04:18:23 AM »
Mark my words,  late 2010,  of the city your in.
Point taken.  Take a look at:
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE65E5JT20100615
This will probably have far reaching consequences.  When people people have no money with which to make their lives comfortable, they might do whatever it takes to survive.

Additionally, there's this:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Newhome-sales-plunge-33-pct-apf-1236863702.html?x=0
Double dip?

Also this:
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/LB18Dj02.html
Greece is like a coal mine canary.  Social unrest could happen here as well, as it did on the streets of Athens or other cities.  I say X00013 has a point.  But, I have nowhere to run to.  On the other hand, I live in a secure, front-door-locked  8th-floor  high-rise that's also one of the sturdiest buildings in San Francisco.  Freshly upgraded to strict earthquake codes.

However, if you can get to the country with food, water and a reliable gun/ammo combination, so much the better.  This whole scenario could get more than *unpleasant* when the money runs out.  That goes for just about everyone who lives in a metropolitan city or rural town.

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the_big_m_in_ok

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #572 on: June 28, 2010, 08:53:16 PM »
http://www.examiner.com/a-2695960~Fed_strikes_more_cautious_tone_on_US_recovery.html
X00013 may be correct in posting this article.  Here's one that paints a grim picture:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/28/opinion/28krugman.html

And, the article immediately above doesn't take into account the Gulf oil spill and Alex bearing down on the Mexican-Texas border.  Anadarko pulled its workers off Western Gulf production rigs today (28/6/10) and more oil is projected to impact the Gulf shore states.  Near-shore fishing, shrimp and oyster harvesting is probably through for the year.  Maybe 5-10 years.  Nobody knows for sure.  $60 billion in yearly gross sales is at stake, here.  This is something to worry about in a potential development for a double-dip recession.  For starters.

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #573 on: July 01, 2010, 05:35:07 PM »
I would think that clorox would kill those germs in the water in 15 minutes but an hour is not bad if you can wait. My aluminum foil wires did not melt under the heat from a 20 watt soldering iron.I managed to buy four small solar panels for $7.99 each from "Harbour Freight".They are listed as 9 volt battery chargers.I am buying more canned goods too.Soups,and fish are on my main list now.If you are an apartment dweller you might buy a solar powered battery charger?I will buy some fruit in cans too. triffid

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #574 on: July 01, 2010, 05:47:21 PM »
It has been hard for me to stay on the internet lately.A bolt of lightening took out the neigbours tree and his internet router and my internet at home is gone again.Add in the "Av Security Suite" attacks (two so far) and add in the times the internet service is just plain out anyway.I am going 18 miles out of my way to a library where I can borrow a computer to get on the web.Like today ,just to be able to post here.I did buy a 12inch x12 inch ceramic tile to work on my aluminum wires.So I will try to tin them again.
I was happy to find those four solar panels.You can use 9 volts to charge 6 volt batteries with and combine the two 6 volts to get 12 volts.Or by reflecting (using mirrors)twice the light  to
get 18 volts out of it.triffid

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #575 on: July 01, 2010, 05:51:31 PM »
According to the Trump Social Security may last until 2030.Still not a lot of time.but more time than 2012.triffid

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #576 on: July 01, 2010, 05:56:53 PM »
It would be funny if it weren't sad to think my cans of tuna could become priceless if BP wipes out all fishlife in the oceans.triffid

the_big_m_in_ok

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #577 on: July 01, 2010, 08:27:02 PM »
I would think that clorox would kill those germs in the water in 15 minutes but an hour is not bad if you can wait. ...
That's right.  The source from the Vietman War said wait at least an hour.  And shake the bottle well.  The water still tasted like cr@p, but it was safe to drink.
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My aluminum foil wires did not melt under the heat from a 20 watt soldering iron. ...
Really?  Aluminum gets really weak at about 250 - 300 deg. F and also melts at a relatively low temperature.  Mach 3 fighters are made of steel and titanium for that reason.
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... I managed to buy four small solar panels for $7.99 each from "Harbour Freight". ... If you are an apartment dweller you might buy a solar powered battery charger?  They are listed as 9 volt battery chargers. ...
That's a pretty good idea.  I'll have to look into that, but the rechargable batteries are fairly expensive, you know.
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I am buying more canned goods too.Soups,and fish are on my main list now.I will buy some fruit in cans too. triffid
Very good idea.  I get paid tomorrow, but I also have some medical bills coming up in a month or two, so that'll be a concern.

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #578 on: July 04, 2010, 05:34:13 AM »
It has been hard for me to stay on  lately.A bolt of lightening took out the neigbours tree and his internet router and my internet at home is gone again.
Did you say where you lived in the past on a thread?  Sounds like you live in the "bush" or "sticks" of a rural county. 
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Add in the "Av Security Suite" attacks (two so far) and add in the times the internet service is just plain out anyway.I am going 18 miles out of my way to a library where I can borrow a computer to get on the web.Like today ,just to be able to post here.
I've never had to put up with this "Av Security Suite" rogue to slow me down.  I stay on large, well-established sites, but even that is no guarantee that their firewall(s) will stop them.
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I did buy a 12inch x12 inch ceramic tile to work on my aluminum wires.So I will try to tin them again.
I was happy to find those four solar panels.You can use 9 volts to charge 6 volt batteries with and combine the two 6 volts to get 12 volts.Or by reflecting (using mirrors)twice the light  to
get 18 volts out of it.triffid
That reminds me:  I checked and Radio Shack doesn't sell solar powered battery chargers.  They do have small, car-specific, battery powered inverters, on the other hand.  I told a salesman, and he agreed, the only way to go the Radio Shack or the auto parts route for solar-powered battery chargers is:

Solar cells----> Batterie(s)---->Inverter---->Battery charger---->Batteries, other appliances

I actually did something like this while living on the streets in order to power an electric shaver from a battery.  I had about 10 small solar cells in parallel to trickle charge a car battery in the winter, that being what they were designed for.   I really needed about 40 of them.  The battery went dead in 3 days.  Not enough savings for a bigger system.

Also, one can experiment with toroids, Caduceus coils, Mobius coils, or other component systems to increase efficiency.

There are other places to go:
1) Sporting goods stores, specifically
2) Wal-Mart/Target store sporting goods sections
3) Mail order distributors of sporting goods in general

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #579 on: July 05, 2010, 04:00:27 PM »
It turns out that the solar panels I bought for $7.99 each plus sales tax will charge up 12 volt batteries.I have one inside my car charging up 2 AA batteries.I live 30 miles from Dallas,Texas out in the country.Regular batteries can be charged up ten times before they start leaking.An old trick I learned in college many years before.I think I can avoid handling and shipping charges from buying on ebay If I buy from harbour frieght triffid

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #580 on: July 05, 2010, 04:12:13 PM »
In April I spent $300 on handling and shipping charges on ebay to get my solar cells from ebay.To get about $300 worth of solar cells and small solar panels.I think I will hang out at Fry's and harbour frieght to see what more I can get.I am building up the nerve to try to tin my aluminum wires again.I have the ceramic tile and hotter soldering irons waitng.The heat may have weakened the aluminum wires but it did not melt it.It turned brown as if I had charred a coating on it.triffid

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #581 on: July 05, 2010, 04:22:37 PM »
You can run your clorox treated water thur crushed charcoal to make it taste better just don't use charcoal thats been sprayed with lighter fluid to make it light quicker.Use only dry charcoal and I used a coffee filter from an old coffee pot.triffid

the_big_m_in_ok

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #582 on: July 06, 2010, 12:12:59 AM »
RECENT UPDATE:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/8-Problems-That-Could-Trigger-usnews-2034065513.html?x=0

I'd add a few more things to be concerned about:

9) Financial markets are just as risky as before.  I think $1 quadrillion in Credit Default Swaps (derivatives) are waiting to be either defaulted on or simply cannot be paid in, say, 1,000+ years.

10) The war in SW Asia is costing about several trillion dollars.  And we can't win militarily with the army we have now.  A black hole of money.

11) The Gulf oil spill is jeopardizing $60 billion in total regional economic activity.  Jobs are already being lost.  The end of the spill may come in late Aug.  Maybe.  The money is being lost now.

I think all this is adding up.  I doesn't look good, to put it as a seriously strong understatement.

--Lee

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #583 on: July 07, 2010, 06:50:14 AM »
  I see an economic disaster for gamblers and swindlers.  Gamblers the stock market gamers.  Swindlers the debt salesman.  In the coming world if all you can do for others is rip them off then I dont believe you'll be of any value and being of little value discarded.  I dont forsee it as an economic disaster but more as an economic revolution.  An economy based on ripping people off and enslaving them is long overdue to be dead.  The trickle down theory is bullshit.
If you are living off the sweat of others then I'd be pretty worried at this point.  The trigger was the greed of the banking industry.  They have been playing the same game since time immortal.  Come into my den and sign this piece of paper.  It is a majical piece of paper that allows you property rights.  We are wealthy cant you see by the trappings of our room we now show you that we are wealthy.  Give us all the gold that you have.  We will give you this majical piece of paper.  You can touch it for a second.  You will be wealthy like us for a second.  Then you will work for 30years and give us more gold each and every month.  If you do not give us more gold each month we will have the police who we control throw you out of our  (oh excuse me) your house or place of business.  Now that you have touched the majical piece of paper please give it to this man who will take this majical piece of paper and deposit it into the former owners account.  He grew tired of giving us gold every month and preferred to touch the majic paper again.  So lets take the old bullshit money out of the equation.  Outlaw moneylending all together and forgive all debt.  The banking industry crashes and is reduced to living off of service fees on debit cards and cashing paychecks and administering trusts or whatever real service they provide.  Now if you have a better mouse trap and want to start a business who will you turn to for startup capitol.   You will have to sell stock in your company.  If you can not sell stock in your company then most likely your mouse trap sucks.  The systematic dismantling of companies that produced goods and services so that a moneylender could list the property as a tangible asset and in so doing perpectuate the debt industry destroyed the gnp of the United States.  Lots of empty high rise condos round here where the fishing industry use to be.  The fishing industry would have kept everybody employed in a meaningful task.  Instead we have a bunch of empty devalued apartments getting moldy and full of termites. Thankyou moneylenders for your wonderful service provided.  Take your majic paper and shove it where the sun dont shine.

the_big_m_in_ok

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #584 on: July 12, 2010, 06:45:24 PM »
@sparks
With respect to your Reply post #586,

Well said.  My Native American ancestors didn't need to be greedy to survive and neither do I.  I just need enough and I have to do my best to make the effort to survive, whatever that takes.

I think we all do.

NEWS UPDATE:

http://money.cnn.com/2010/07/02/news/economy/jobs_gone_forever/index.htm?postversion=2010070223

--Lee