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Offline the_big_m_in_ok

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #120 on: September 30, 2009, 07:30:19 PM »
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@exxcomm0n
Extremely thoughtful statement, well said.
Allow me to echo that for exxcomm0n's last post.  Very well put.  I think maybe if, as the Bible says, "Those elect few" will be saved, I hope there's enough people to restart the country's population after the dire, potentially impending problems have been dealt with by the survivors.
(Actual smile on my face) "We live in hope."   :)

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #121 on: October 01, 2009, 07:22:41 AM »
I anticipate that maybe if the Bible says, "Those accept few" will be saved, I achievement there's abundant humans to restart the country's citizenry afterward the dire, potentially approaching problems accept been dealt with by the survivors.


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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #122 on: October 01, 2009, 02:07:51 PM »
You do have to be carefull  when and where you plant your illegal food plants on property that does not belong to you.I have seen many a good area mowed and sprayed by the city.Grass fires do come along once in a while.Triffid

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Offline the_big_m_in_ok

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #123 on: October 01, 2009, 04:50:29 PM »
Dustine1017 said:
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I anticipate that maybe if the Bible says, "Those accept few" will be saved, I achievement there's abundant humans to restart the country's citizenry...
At least one place in the Bible(Book of Revelations?) is says 1/3 of (Israel?) will survive.
The Book of Enoch says about 10% at most.
This is enough of a genetic diversity to safely rebuild the human race---as long as people don't do as Abraham did and marry a very close relative.

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #124 on: October 02, 2009, 06:46:26 AM »
Thought I'd pass this on. The economy may not be the only disaster coming down the pipe:

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20427281.300-posthuman-earth-how-the-planet-will-recover-from-us.html

Here's another one that you'll appreciate, d3, this fault is just 15 min down the hill from me, but at least I'm on the side that 'won't fall in the ocean'...I think...

Lee, you might get some fallout from this too, it ends right about where you are...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8283873.stm

EDIT: Ran across this from Forbes:

http://www.forbes.com/2009/10/02/unemployment-economy-recession-business-beltway-jobs.html

After adjusting the outlook based on more reality-based insights, some expect it'll be 2017 before the job market gets back to where it was (if then).

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« Last Edit: October 02, 2009, 05:54:53 PM by ATT »

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #125 on: October 03, 2009, 06:27:42 AM »
another good reason to get more stuff into another state.

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #126 on: October 03, 2009, 07:07:22 AM »
another good reason to get more stuff into another state.
I was going to post on another thread that:
1) The Gov't took the bailout money and bought a large share in AIG and several banks.
2) They legally own a lot of assets
3) Potentially, by Executive Order, they also own the title to your house and car.  (Some conspiracy theorists say this is true.)
4) They can(if they wish) declare a trumped-up national emergency(Swine Flu) and round up whomever they want, for the public safety.  They have the law on their side.

The thread I'm referring to above is in the We can't live without the truth Forum under the ..."they mean business" thread.

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Offline onthecuttingedge2005

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #127 on: October 03, 2009, 07:53:53 AM »
I have actually talked to my family doctor when I had my physical a week ago, he said, it will be no different that any other flu shot because the vaccine is a dead virus, not a live shot.

he said there is no chance of having a GB reaction as those of the live virus administered in the 70's.

our doctor is a really good friend of the family and he wouldn't lie about it.

if you have a good family doctor then ask them about it.

so far there has been no deaths or major symptoms of the current swine flu vaccine in clinical trials to my knowledge.

I think the paranoid fear mongers are brainwashing again to destablize our nation by spreading non peer reviewed researched propaganda to the public domain as usual.

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #128 on: October 03, 2009, 11:10:42 AM »
I think the paranoid fear mongers are brainwashing again to destablize our nation by spreading non peer reviewed researched propaganda to the public domain as usual.

Ok we are all paranoid. Don't forget to get your doctor to write you a prescription for Prozac whilst you are there getting your injection.

I asked a family member who is high up in a hospital (not in US). He said neither he nor any of his colleagues know any case of this fatal flu in any hospital.

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #129 on: October 03, 2009, 11:40:33 AM »
Ok we are all paranoid. Don't forget to get your doctor to write you a prescription for Prozac whilst you are there getting your injection.

Prozac might cut down on the amount of suicide bombers. to much mental illness going unchecked these days around the world.

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I asked a family member who is high up in a hospital (not in US). He said neither he nor any of his colleagues know any case of this fatal flu in any hospital.

as of 01 May 2009 - 7:00 PDT

Mexico
168 suspected deaths (less than a third of them confirmed so far)
Approximately 2000 to 2,500 suspected cases

US
1 death
109 confirmed cases (at least)

New Zealand
No deaths
4 confirmed cases and 12 probable cases

Canada
No deaths
34 confirmed cases

UK
No deaths
8 confirmed cases

Spain
No deaths
13 confirmed cases

Germany
No deaths
4 confirmed cases

Israel
No deaths
2 confirmed cases

Costa Rica
No deaths
2 confirmed cases

Austria
No deaths
1 confirmed case

The Netherlands (Holland)
No deaths
1 confirmed case

Switzerland
No deaths
1 confirmed Case
 
Confirmed cases of secondary transmission (the infected person caught it from another person in the same country) have been reported it the USA, Canada, Spain, and Germany.

I really don't see any reason to get a mandatory flu shot, I haven't heard of the military getting one yet so I think this forced H1N1 vaccine is a bunch of hype.

I myself have never had a flu shot and I haven't had the flu in over 8 years!

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #130 on: October 03, 2009, 06:12:50 PM »
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so far there has been no deaths or major symptoms of the current swine flu vaccine in clinical trials to my knowledge.
I've never, ever had the flu.
When I was a teenager in Calif., There was two years of bad flu epidemics in my state.  The first year, no one in my family got it, but the next time, they all got it except me.
I asked myself, "Why was that?"
It wasn't until I learned about the human gene CCR5delta32 that I may have found an answer.  A double deletion(important!) of the gene confers immunity to AIDS, Black Plague, hepatitis, (probably) tuberculosis and (possibly) the flu.  Why?  These diseases use a receptor in the nucleus of the white blood 'T' cells to gain access to the cell's interior, multiply there, and then destroy the cell.
(The gene is actually unnecessary in the body---no one really needs it live.)
Having neither of these genes as deletions from both your parents is the key.  If you have one deletion, you can last up to decades with AIDS, but you'll die eventually.  Everyone else in my family probably had one deletion each and were partially immune to the flu.  If I have both, I'm immune, which is why I don't get a flu shot every year.

The gene originated in Southern Scandinavia about 1,100-1,200 years ago and spread around mostly Northern Europe, the British Isles and Western Europe since then.  Since it originated there, other races in the world have a normal set of genes from their parents and are susceptible to the diseases mentioned above.
(There was a research paper written to this effect, but I would have to look for it on the Internet.)
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Here is one...

Dating the Origin of the AIDS Resistance Allele by the Coalescence of Haplotypes
Am J Hum Gene 62 (6):1507-15

American Journal of Human Genetics, Volume 62, issue #6, pgs. 1507-1515


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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #131 on: October 03, 2009, 08:20:30 PM »
Now there are plenty of threads here about H1N1 and there is no reason to turn this one into another, but to address these recent posts about it since I seemed to be the one that introduced H1N1 into the topic (only as an aside), I'll give my last word to as why I may have below.

After this, could we please focus on the economic situation as the thread title suggests?


On the subject of the "flu"......

My "significant other" is an ICU nurse at an area hospital, and one of the more sane in our area.

After signing that she had "religious objection" to the regular flu shot, she (as well as everyone else, even non-ICU that abstains) now has to where a mask every shift of work from Oct. 1 to Feb. 1 (EDIT: errr....make that Apr. 1), and this is deemed a more "sane" hospital corporation because at least she only has to wear a mask.

The two other, larger hospital corporations in the area are threatening dismissal of workers for refusal to get a regular flu shot, let alone the H1N1 which is not available yet.

That seems a pretty serious trend towards forced vaccination even though your earning potential is used rather than political mandate.
You have to slowly corral the whole herd to before you can get them to march one by one into the chute.

News has always hyped the common flu and it's yearly coming, as it kills thousands per year that have weakened immune systems from already challenging pre-existing conditions like debilitation or extreme age.

So can the common cold.
So can any other viral or bacteriological illness.

The things that scares me about H1N1 vaccination is that National guard troops have not held training exercises for the effects of civil unrest due to vaccinations for the common cold or "regular" flu.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InX-0qvc2ww
(There is a more substantial Tube post of a local news story about training exercises but "YouTube is down for maintenance and will be back shortly." so I can't find it. Try this instead  http://www.sunjournal.com/node/105339)

There has also never been an international campaign of fear through media for them either.

There hasn't been the rush for a new (and unproven or tested) vaccine for them either, but there certainly seems to have been for H1N1.
http://www.who.int/csr/disease/swineflu/interactive_map/en/index.html

I would like onthecuttingedge2005 to post about these successful clinical trials, when they were performed, and by whom.

I would also like to ask where his statistical data of deaths vs. cases came from. I do not challenge those findings except to find out what health care organization compiled and released them as it would help greatly to validate them.

Let's take the Mexico numbers he posted as an example:

2000 to 2500 suspected cases approximately -
(which makes me wonder what percentage are confirmed, and what approximation was used.)

168 suspected deaths -  with less than 1/3 confirmed =  56 approx., so let's say 50.
(with less than 1/3 confirmed, at least something is reported as confirmed.)

50/2500 = 10/500 = 1/50 or 2% mortality of the suspected approximation of H1N1 cases.
1 out of every 50 persons suspected of contracting H1N1 will die in Mexico.

If you use the entire population numbers from:
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/mx.html instead though........
 
50/111,212,000 = 5/11121200 = 1/2224240 of the entire population which is a LOT less scary.

About the regular flu.......

This story from 2003:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/01/07/health/main535605.shtml
....says "Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported. Flu deaths now average about 36,000 a year, up from 20,000 in previous estimates, the CDC said."
According to http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/us_flu-related_deaths.htm this study was from data collected over a span from 1990 to 1999.

http://www.census.gov/population/www/popclockus.html says the TOTAL US population is at: 307,610,152 as of this morning, so using average mortality from 2003 against the approx. population of 2009 I get:

36000/307610000 = 36/307610 = 1/8545 approx. of the entire population, not reported cases.

If you take those numbers against the yearly reported cases from
http://www.flufacts.com/impact/statistics.aspx  of 25 million to 50 million you get:

36000/50000000 = 36/50000 = 1/1388 best case scenario.
36000/25000000 = 36/25000 = 1/694 worst case scenario.

According to those numbers it would seem that the common flu is far more dangerous in the USA than the H1N1 flu is in Mexico.
But all of these numbers are dependent on "suspected approximations" or reported cases.
There are no hard numbers when dealing with medical situations because of mis-diagnosis and unreported cases.

I know I shouldn't compare Mexico with the USA as there are many different factors that effect these numbers, but I'd expect mortality in Mexico to be higher than the USA in almost all situations.

But using those numbers above, it seems the amount of HYPE about the H1N1 is astronomical when compared to the "devil we know" common flu, doesn't it?

Now, can we get back to gov't stupidity and the weak faith in the idea of money here?

H1N1 was only one of the 3 reasons i thought self preparedness might be a good idea.

P.S. I just yesterday saw an article in the newspaper that said that Armed Forces were of the first to be getting vaccinated, and that IS mandatory.
« Last Edit: October 04, 2009, 12:04:38 AM by exxcomm0n »

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #132 on: October 04, 2009, 12:00:31 AM »
@exxcomm0n, with respect to your Post #136
The only thing further I'll say about the H1N1 Swine Flu is the the Gov't over-reaction to non-compliance against immunization points to something---in my opinion---ulterior in their stance.  This "stance", as I put it, can cause people to grip their weapons tighter as a result.
That reaction, if it happens, can cause a backlash amongst Americans that could hasten the "Collapse".  That's my point.

Otherwise, you're correct and I agree, the H1N1 conversation was an off topic distraction.  Enough said.

--Lee

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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #133 on: October 04, 2009, 12:16:57 AM »

Id say more of a different aspect of the same agenda than a distraction Lee.

Regards...


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Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
« Reply #134 on: October 04, 2009, 12:36:52 AM »
Lee,

I brought it into the discussion and so ultimately it is my fault.

It certainly has not been the only scare tactic within the last decade, but it is the most pervasive one.

My plea to return to the original topic was about it being a indicator, but not a reason for an entire post in this topic.
Then I made an entire post about it. ;)

I apologize for bringing it into the discussion, and most of the blame should be centered upon me.

 

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