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Author Topic: What do you see in the FTPU image?  (Read 31342 times)

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Re: What do you see in the FTPU image?
« Reply #30 on: September 02, 2009, 10:22:22 PM »
I see two tweeters with bifilar voicecoils gleud together at the magnets.


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Re: What do you see in the FTPU image?
« Reply #31 on: September 02, 2009, 10:27:31 PM »
@Grumpy

Looko at the photos here about the center base of ftpu.
http://www.purco.qc.ca/ftp/Steven%20Mark/micrphone/

All this has ben covered and covered so many times.

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Yes, according to my current study there are two small black transistors in front of what we call EMs capacitor (which is to the right of the toroid). You can see three wires going to the transistors, one from the toroid and two from the outer ring windings and the leads from EMs cap.

Behind the toroid is a second capacitor and two or three other components plus I would say a 1/2 amp resistor. So what SM said about no electronics is not true. Otherwise why did he make so much effort to hide the circuit side of the ftpu each time he moved it, turned it over, etc.

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That is not tape over the windings. If so it would have been much more reflective as you can see the four taped positions to hold the outer ring to the spool rim.

Too bad Jack Durban never came back with his beta copy.

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Too bad we cannot travel back in time, or can we? lol
http://www.radioshackcatalogs.com/catalog_directory.html
Click the 1939 catalog - amazing what they had back then.
« Last Edit: September 03, 2009, 12:59:31 AM by wattsup »

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Re: What do you see in the FTPU image?
« Reply #32 on: September 03, 2009, 01:01:08 AM »
"So what SM said about no electronics is not true."


He never said that at all he said simple electronics no mass circuitry.

That allows for 2 or 3 transistors couple of caps etc which is enough to make a tpu. It certainly doesn't need micro processor timing controls etc. Its very simple construction rather like a radio as SM said which is true if you know how to extract Radiant Energy.

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Re: What do you see in the FTPU image?
« Reply #33 on: September 03, 2009, 01:17:42 AM »
"So what SM said about no electronics is not true."


He never said that at all he said simple electronics no mass circuitry.

That allows for 2 or 3 transistors couple of caps etc which is enough to make a tpu. It certainly doesn't need micro processor timing controls etc. Its very simple construction rather like a radio as SM said which is true if you know how to extract Radiant Energy.

That would be left to debate but I do agree it is not rocket science SS circuitry.

One thing I have noticed.

The FTPU has finer wire in the center toroid coils and the rings are not that long. The LTPU has thicker wire on the toroid coils and its rings are obviously longer length and providing more potential inductance. So fine wire with short ring, courser wire with long ring. Maybe if you totaled the resistance or impedance or inductance (my EE is not the tops) in both of these combos, they would be the same.

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What I see is the practical sense of things. If SM made the ftpu first, or if you or I made an ftpu first, what would be the major factors, figures, measurements that I would need to scale the same thing up to the LTPU or maybe not so big, let's say up to the 6TPU. What values would have to stay the same and what or which would have to be multiplied? You mentioned somewhere else the 1.618. Can you explain to us in laymen terms what this is?

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Re: What do you see in the FTPU image?
« Reply #34 on: September 03, 2009, 01:41:42 AM »
The loose wrapping of ribbon-like material on the two outer edges, doesn't look like electric tap as it is very loose like it does not conform well or stretch, like hi-mu tape...

The torodal overwrap wire over this ribbon material may be the infamous iron delay wire, may just be tricks of lighting...

Why ignor this version now? We are just starting to figure it out... LOL!

I was saying ignore the one in the garage / cardboard box video, as i think it is set up to throw people off the trail.

However I think the one on the wire spool is probably the source of all the best info..

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Re: What do you see in the FTPU image?
« Reply #35 on: September 03, 2009, 02:34:50 AM »
I was saying ignore the one in the garage / cardboard box video, as i think it is set up to throw people off the trail.
However I think the one on the wire spool is probably the source of all the best info..

If you look at it that way, the FTPU did not really show anything concrete since only voltage measurements means nothing. Also, I agree the OTPU could have been faked since I could make such a video and show the same effects. The most revealing part of that video is when he plugged the 100 watt bulbs into the wall socket, the brightness of the bulbs were really the shits. Try to look at a 100 watt bulb for yourself and you will see. So yes they could have been faked with batteries in those carefully chosen fat lamp bases and by just making a dummy wall plug that is shorted you create the illusion the wall plug is supplying the comparative power for the brightness check when he actually plugs it to the OTPU. But he checked the voltage of the OTPU before he plugged the bulbs to it. So what. This is only showing the OTPU makes voltage, just like he did with the FTPU and his batteries in the lamp bases are showing amperage, hence the illusion of the OTPU. The give away was when he plugged the second bulb and the meter did not budge. Basic stuff to fake.

I could run through all the devices in this manner logically explaining how they could have been faked, one by one, in all his videos, but what is the point.

We are looking to make a working TPU, not a fake TPU. The end result may not be like SMs but who cares. As long as it works.

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Re: What do you see in the FTPU image?
« Reply #36 on: September 03, 2009, 04:21:16 AM »
Guys,

Can anyone point me to the highest available quality of the movie that the initial bitmap of this thread came from.

I'm aware of googlevideo source but it looks alot lower res than the single frame posted.

I'd like to try some image processing and stack multiple frames to combine the information and increase resolution maybe even more than the image posted.

Is there a torrent somewhere with all SM TPU vids in AVI format maybe?

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Re: What do you see in the FTPU image?
« Reply #37 on: September 03, 2009, 04:35:38 AM »
If you look at it that way, the FTPU did not really show anything concrete since only voltage measurements means nothing. Also, I agree the OTPU could have been faked since I could make such a video and show the same effects. The most revealing part of that video is when he plugged the 100 watt bulbs into the wall socket, the brightness of the bulbs were really the shits. Try to look at a 100 watt bulb for yourself and you will see. So yes they could have been faked with batteries in those carefully chosen fat lamp bases and by just making a dummy wall plug that is shorted you create the illusion the wall plug is supplying the comparative power for the brightness check when he actually plugs it to the OTPU. But he checked the voltage of the OTPU before he plugged the bulbs to it. So what. This is only showing the OTPU makes voltage, just like he did with the FTPU and his batteries in the lamp bases are showing amperage, hence the illusion of the OTPU. The give away was when he plugged the second bulb and the meter did not budge. Basic stuff to fake.

I could run through all the devices in this manner logically explaining how they could have been faked, one by one, in all his videos, but what is the point.

We are looking to make a working TPU, not a fake TPU. The end result may not be like SMs but who cares. As long as it works.

My point was , the open tpu WAS a real tpu, but i think that it was a little tpu attached to one leg of that ring structure and all the other parts were fluff. When he flips it you can see a coil taped to the leg furthest away from the camera. But i could be wrong, it just does not match up with the other devices.

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Re: What do you see in the FTPU image?
« Reply #38 on: September 03, 2009, 05:36:22 AM »
mag amp

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Re: What do you see in the FTPU image?
« Reply #39 on: September 03, 2009, 05:47:51 AM »
Is the toroidal coil looking thing for pulse generation or regulation?

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Re: What do you see in the FTPU image?
« Reply #40 on: September 03, 2009, 07:01:12 AM »
Is the toroidal coil looking thing for pulse generation or regulation?

this was setup for regulation but it could be used for pulse with a little mod. I just thought it was interesting starting point.

check out page 15 - not my site, i just happened across the pdf in my searches.

http://www.themeasuringsystemofthegods.com/magnetic%20amplifiers.pdf

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Re: What do you see in the FTPU image?
« Reply #41 on: September 03, 2009, 01:24:47 PM »
this was setup for regulation but it could be used for pulse with a little mod. I just thought it was interesting starting point.

check out page 15 - not my site, i just happened across the pdf in my searches.

http://www.themeasuringsystemofthegods.com/magnetic%20amplifiers.pdf

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Thanks for sharing!

I had long forgotten the term 'increductor'. These made great oscillators/multivibrators from ELF to 1mHz. Ultrasonic on up they almost never had metallic cores.

I read somewhere the original 'Dr. Who' show used a version of these for sound effects (wobbleator?).

Note these are the only version of mag-amp/sat core inductor that used a load winding that was one wire but wound in two sections in a bucking fashion with the control and load windings perpindicular to one another.

If you look close at the little white toroid you can see the poloidal winding is one wire with only two connecting leads. The winding direction reverses between the coils.

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Re: What do you see in the FTPU image?
« Reply #42 on: September 03, 2009, 01:25:28 PM »
this was setup for regulation but it could be used for pulse with a little mod. I just thought it was interesting starting point.

check out page 15 - not my site, i just happened across the pdf in my searches.

http://www.themeasuringsystemofthegods.com/magnetic%20amplifiers.pdf

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Great link ! Thankyou

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Re: What do you see in the FTPU image?
« Reply #43 on: September 03, 2009, 03:33:19 PM »
this was setup for regulation but it could be used for pulse with a little mod. I just thought it was interesting starting point.

How he did it is still questionable, but there is no doubt that he found a way to cause electron flow in a wire, just like he says on the video.

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Re: What do you see in the FTPU image?
« Reply #44 on: September 03, 2009, 04:26:06 PM »
it is verry questionable ...

to cause electron flow in a wire .... npn pnp in sync ...  it is the same thing as out of phase ... in my opinion

both are out of phase of 1 another and  in sync ...  when you colapse this at the SAME TIME ...

WHAT IS THE RESULT? ...

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