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Author Topic: What do you see in the FTPU image?  (Read 31493 times)

EMdevices

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What do you see in the FTPU image?
« on: September 01, 2009, 04:11:43 AM »
Ok, I need your help.

I've been oscillating back and forth on this concept.   At first I thought there are toroidal windings around the two main loops, but then again, it seems those are electric tape creases.

What do you see?

EM

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Re: What do you see in the FTPU image?
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2009, 05:37:24 AM »
stupid question here,

that white wire that goes to the toroid in all his videos...
it is even in the cut outs of the big tpu's

is it litz or just regular primary wire

maybe they just had a huge sale on white and black wire where he bought his stuff????

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Re: What do you see in the FTPU image?
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2009, 03:13:21 PM »
Ok, I need your help.

I've been oscillating back and forth on this concept.   At first I thought there are toroidal windings around the two main loops, but then again, it seems those are electric tape creases.

What do you see?

EM

Maybe the toroidal winding was used on later units, which did not turn off when flipped over.  Same with the other open-TPU. 

Notice that most units have the toroidal core looking thing in the middle.

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Re: What do you see in the FTPU image?
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2009, 05:59:02 PM »
And again,
That looks just like the SM17(Large TPU?) except there is only one of 'those things' in the middle / on top. The large loops are the antenna, for lack of a better term. The same rings that SM cut through. Nothing to them.

Which brings up an interesting point. Why cut them? Now it looks like something 3 fold.
1: The ignorant immediately gravitate to 'The big part! being focused on and cut' Oh my!? (Like that is the engine or main part.
2: Eligant social engineering. 'Don't look at the man behind the curtain' trick. Slight of hand prestidigiation.
3: The bigger part is not the real focus.

The mag coil thingys I have are on the bench. It is my firm belief that I can apply frequencis to these and watch what appears in the larger loop tanks. 2 items come to mind with this. I match the freq to the bigger loop or the freqs, the large loops, and the smaller mag amps all have to be in resonance or tuned to some harmonic.

And also, this has been stated before: The idea is to ping the tank at the right time to cause the swing to increase. In this case the tank is mechanically large in space / volume. Very much unlike what we see in circuits normally. I didn't even see it in Coral Castle till 1 year later!

My focus on that trip was matching what I knew about Keely up against what Leedskalnin had accomplished. And I did... but missed a few newer recent things.

1 more thing:
When looking at the posted picture above: If we lessen the diameter of the outer rings to have them circumnavigate under those smaller vertical windings we have the model of the 4" and 6" TPUs.

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Re: What do you see in the FTPU image?
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2009, 06:14:05 PM »
stupid question here,

that white wire that goes to the toroid in all his videos...
it is even in the cut outs of the big tpu's

is it litz or just regular primary wire

maybe they just had a huge sale on white and black wire where he bought his stuff????

1 answer: Radio Shack.

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Re: What do you see in the FTPU image?
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2009, 06:57:35 PM »
The upper and lower steel bailing wires look like "cut to length" signal delay lines.

1ns per foot.

Establishes the delay or phase between signals entering the real coil which is wound around the center of the spool.

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Re: What do you see in the FTPU image?
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2009, 07:23:54 PM »
theres nothing for you to see unless your name you are sweet , tesla or SM .

who here knows about radio or eletronics or anything related to be able to see ?




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Re: What do you see in the FTPU image?
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2009, 07:31:06 PM »
The upper and lower steel bailing wires look like "cut to length" signal delay lines.

1ns per foot.

Establishes the delay or phase between signals entering the real coil which is wound around the center of the spool.

Perhaps SM had to get the steel wire away from the real coil wrapped around the center of the spool.  Thank you for this keen observation.

I don't see any means of feedback via a field or space effect in this early version.  This unit may have no feedback at all.  The output was pretty low compared to later units.

Anyone see a collector coil or wire in this unit?

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Re: What do you see in the FTPU image?
« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2009, 10:14:50 PM »
at about 4 oclock on the lower disc I believe it is a relay coil.  This could have been duplicated in the top disc with a shaded area about the same dimension as the bottom relay coil.  The white thing in the middle appears to be a spool of wire as you can see the turns through what appears to be mylar tape wrapped around the coil.  The bailing wire and loop windings appear to go through the center of the relay coils.  This would alter the core parmaeters of the relay coils and the output voltage is simply induced by any magnetic field changes in the bailing wire and copper coils. The white spool of wire is again wrapped with a solenoidal wire on a portion of the spool and this appears again to be a highimpedance coil.  There also appears to be a few number of turns wrapped around this unit of the white lead wires leading out of the spool. Looks abit like a torroidal hf transformer with a copper coil forming the core material.  Any current through the core coil would appear to the transformer as a magnetic saturation of the core.  Unlike a saturable core reactor the core saturation is controlled by an active element not relying on a winding on the outside of the torroid to effect the magnetic field inside the windings.
« Last Edit: September 01, 2009, 10:39:00 PM by sparks »

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Re: What do you see in the FTPU image?
« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2009, 11:56:53 PM »
Any current through the core coil would appear to the transformer as a magnetic saturation of the core. 
*Unlike a saturable core reactor the core saturation is controlled by an active element not relying on a winding on the outside of the torroid to effect the magnetic field inside the windings.

This is the final clue! The GK4 exhibited this on a very dynamic and spaztic level. And this looks just like Otto's windings.

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Re: What do you see in the FTPU image?
« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2009, 12:47:21 AM »
  From Wiki:  Specially constructed wideband current transformers are also used (usually with an oscilloscope) to measure waveforms of high frequency or pulsed currents within pulsed power systems. One type of specially constructed wideband transformer provides a voltage output that is proportional to the measured current. Another type (called a Rogowski coil) requires an external integrator in order to provide a voltage output that is proportional to the measured current. Unlike CTs used for power circuitry, wideband CTs are rated in output volts per ampere of primary current. 
   Most current transformers dont have bailing wire going through their cores.
 

« Last Edit: September 02, 2009, 01:13:06 AM by sparks »

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Re: What do you see in the FTPU image?
« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2009, 09:49:55 AM »
Hello all,

just to add my 2 cents to the hmmmm.....lets say confusion:

are really MOSFETs needed to pulse a TPU?? or are only little transistors good enough??

Are even little transistors needed to pulse our TPUs or is there maybe a natural frequency or something else pulsating at 245kHz or as Bruce_TPU said at 222kHZ, or another, lower  frequency and we have only to amplify this vibration with a set of coils??

No, please not from power lines because I dont have them near my house.

Otto


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Re: What do you see in the FTPU image?
« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2009, 03:37:41 PM »
Hello all,

just to add my 2 cents to the hmmmm.....lets say confusion:

are really MOSFETs needed to pulse a TPU?? or are only little transistors good enough??

Are even little transistors needed to pulse our TPUs or is there maybe a natural frequency or something else pulsating at 245kHz or as Bruce_TPU said at 222kHZ, or another, lower  frequency and we have only to amplify this vibration with a set of coils??

No, please not from power lines because I dont have them near my house.

Otto

I have used transistors.  Most switching devices can probably be used.


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Re: What do you see in the FTPU image?
« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2009, 04:16:20 PM »
Yes, you used transistors, but did it work?  ;D

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Re: What do you see in the FTPU image?
« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2009, 04:31:30 PM »
At the base of the choke on top you can see two spade terminals spray painted black ,one wide - , and one narrow +. These appear to be part of the base that the choke is mounted on. These are the steel terminals that he sticks the magnet to. If one side ( not face ) of the magnet was south and one side was north when he attached the magnet it would bias one side of that choke ... or maybe there is another coil nested inside of the center of that speaker wire spool he used to build it.

it would be real easy to hide a 30-60khz ultrasonic mic in there and then choke it off at 35khz to get your feedback.

experiment for you.. take an old speaker and cut the cone and webbing so you can move the voice coil. no magnet on terminals and the coil moves freely, but place a magnet on the terminals and the eddy effects fight you from moving it fast.


ps:  http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/09/02/wireless.electricity/index.html


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