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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #90 on: October 29, 2009, 08:15:21 PM »
@Mags,

that is amazing. It reminds a lot of "Adams Motor" when I was playing with it. Your second coil is to the exact spec of the Adams coil being around 10 ohm. I think you just found the secret from Adams motor concerning the positioning of the second reed switch for the correct moment to when pulse the second coil.

Adams claims that the second coil should be around 15 degrees from the driving coil to make it happen. I wonder if you could try that or measure the angle among your coils and reeds.

Can you make a better schematics of how this is all connected? I am willing to replicate your experiment.

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #90 on: October 29, 2009, 08:15:21 PM »

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #91 on: October 29, 2009, 09:51:52 PM »
Hey Plengo
Ill draw it up this evening.

Real quick to say,  From the pos. of the bat to the reed, reed to the coil, coil to the neg of bat.  The anode of the diode to the reed side of the coil, cathode to the cap, the other side of the cap to the other side of the coil.
The second stage is the same and it uses the first stage cap as its battery or input.
Get the first stage going as fast as possible with reed setting, the adjust the second reed for highest output, both reed to the same rotor of course.
Ill be back later with a drawing.
The first stage cap should be at about 10 times the bat when running.
In my vid I made a mistake measuring the first cap. The first and second stage caps were not common gnd. So when the full setup is running, the first cap was actually about 1v seemingly solid. Yet its enough to provide the second stage very well.
From what I see, the way I have the diode, if you reverse it in the first stage, you will get high volts to the cap. But this way, it tends to put the coil and diode/cap together when the reed closes, allowing bat to flow to the coil and cap, then releases and give about 10 times the bat volts and it pumps that cap hard. With the diode reversed to only capture bemf, it takes a bit of running to get to that high voltage into a larger cap due to virtually no current capability.
Another thing, the .9 ohm coil, about 1 ohm, on the second stage loves that first cap. If I used that coil on the first stage the battery would really suffer. It seems the lower the ohms, down to 1ohm that I have tried so far, puts out more volts than a large fine wire coil. 
Its a unique situation and I think it needs some study.

Hope that was helpful for now. I know how it is to wait for real info. =]

Magluvin

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #92 on: October 29, 2009, 09:58:05 PM »
Also make note of the polarity of the 25v, or so, on the first cap to orient your input to the second stage. The diode side of the cap should be the neg.

Magluvin

edited to correct the word "note"  =]

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #93 on: October 29, 2009, 10:03:38 PM »
Honestly I cant say no additional load on the rotor drive and bat. , there is a bit, But the 2nd stage coil Im running now is .9 ohm, a big audio filter coil. Im getting 270v on the secondary output. If I used it as a drive coil, my battery would be cooking.
Ill do a vid later with the big coil.

Mags

Yeah, you know in the range of 250V pulses you start getting into the area of "free
electron machines", you start attracting free electrons from the environment. I was
going to suggest this for plengo to look at, eventually, if he could not get overunity
by other means, which he should still try. Ultimately, it maybe possible to step voltage
pulses up very high, with like an automobile ignition coil (30-40KV range). The problem
is downconverting these HV output pulses efficiently. I think I know how to do this.

Think about the guy who has his neon-sign transformer (110VAC->8KVAC)
and says that the name-plate shows the transformer's operation is overunuity.
This is why.

The thing is, plengo may be able to make a Tesla Switch work (26V pulses)
overunity by careful control. This can't be free electrons at that level. So
you can tell I am very hopeful that there will be some way found to do this.
And then we use the microcontroller to document it. I don't trust other peoples
measurements, but I do trust Plengo.

All these things have other invocations (device units) historically claimed
to be overunity. I don't want to mess up the thread discussing them - until
they become applicable...So lets keep first-things-first. No question this thread is
exciting as heck to me.

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #94 on: October 29, 2009, 10:29:33 PM »
Hey MS
Speaking of free electrons, I had seen a bedini circuit with a chassis or an earth gnd. I wonder if it was for that purpose.
Im looking at this in a different way than free or extra electrons added.
The way I see to charge a cap is to move the electrons from one side to the other as fast as possible. Adding more electrons to the cap than it already contains would kind of make it one sided.
In my setup, the diode setup as I have it, is reverse of what most would consider, only because it looks like the reed is just sending bat power to the cap via the reed. In a circuit drawing, showing the reed open could confuse what is happening. The reed dumps bat power into the coil/diode/cap at once, and when it releases, the coil forces its spring load into the cap on the side the doesnt have the diode, forcing a compression at the diode wall. It may not be a super high voltage spike, but its got some punch to load that cap hard.
Looking at the circuit, this may not be what you first conceive.
I was messing with it for a while trying to figure out why my output was only 10 times the input and not over 100v or so. But I think Im getting a grip on the function. I have visions. =]

Magluvin

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #95 on: October 30, 2009, 03:03:19 AM »
I finally got my board up and running correctly. After a good soap and hot water cleaning this baby is working as designed.

Now my next step will be to setup my test again but this time having the ability to short the batteries as I wanted with plenty of more switches available for other ideas.

I will also use Groundloop's latest board that he shipped to me to try the Bedini many parallel batteries charging and switching as mscoffman proposed. So, two experiments to be running at the same time.

I will have to learn to program Groundloop's board since it has the extra MAX chip to measure the voltages.

@Magluvin

I am in the expectation of seeing how exactly is your setup connected. I have to study your video again in more details tonight.

Fausto.
« Last Edit: October 30, 2009, 03:43:44 AM by plengo »

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #96 on: October 30, 2009, 11:53:19 AM »
Hey MS

Speaking of free electrons, I had seen a bedini circuit with a chassis or an earth gnd. I wonder if it was for that purpose.
Im looking at this in a different way than free or extra electrons added.

Magluvin

If you think of a Wimhurst Static Electric Generator...Electrons do have to travel
to ground when you absolutely want them to dump their energy, or they can sit
on an insulating disk as static electricity and build up. If you remember, some
of the behavior of the Adams motor having the CD charged with static electricity
would match some of the characteristics of what was seen, I think.

I am convinced that Bedini and Bedini Fan also use static electricity leaking into
the circuit to add energy. Static electricity is hard to instrument and so needs to
be considered like a "dark current" flowing perhaps in a different direction in
the circuit of interest. Plengo has mentioned something like this in one of his
original posts.

It would pay to watch these circuits carefully before leaving them to run
unattended for a long time and at least suppress clutter in the experimental
area. Something like this at modest energy levels with repeatabilty
would make for small but an idle FE device.

:S:MarkSCoffman 



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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #97 on: October 30, 2009, 06:29:00 PM »
Im not saying that there are not additional or a depletion of electrons ever, but Im not sure that it plays a big part in a pulse motor setup. Lets say we have a pulse motor sitting on a table, not running, now get out the E690 Electron Counter and run a check. Just kidding. =]  But if we had an E690, and it gave us a number, then we run the pulse motor, even if it gathered some external electrons, once we shut it down and let it sit, The E690 may measure more, but did those extra electrons add up to any substantial power toward our goal? Or is it just a bit of static?
Now in very high voltage setups, It is still just moving electrons from one place to another, and thats only if they want to take the path that you give them. But it is all still just circuitry. Whether its capacitance or conductance.
Lets use the E690 to measure the electrons in a capacitor, then charge the cap, will the E690 actually measure a higher tot of electrons in the cap? I would say that if the cap were floating in a vacuum and it recieved a static charge, as a whole, then something somewhere is missing some, and eventually, that something is going to want them back. So that something will take from others that are willing to give up theirs, and so on.
How many electrons could we take from the earth, send them to the moon, before the earth says it wants them back?  Bam!! Or how many absent electrons on earth would it take take to start seeing problems here on earth because of it?  Crazy aint it?

I did a test on my setup due to a brain fart that had me convinced that maybe my second stage is just pulling from the battery through both reeds and the first diode.
I ran the big dog coil, .9 ohm on a reed and bat alone, and I got over 300v, but the drain on my 2.5v was .5v, where in the full setup, the tot drop was about .04v running both coils and driving the rotor nice.  So there is some advantage to the full setup.  Also I ran the setup without the first coil and using both reeds as they were, and the results were not the same. The first diode was warm and the first stage cap had an opposite effect on whether it was large or small. In the original setup, the larger the cap, the less the reed would stick, the test setup wanted small caps to keep the reed from sticking.
So there is something interesting going on as a full setup. I was a bit worried thinking about it for a couple hours. I was starting to smell my foot before it got to my mouth.
But I feel better now.  The first coil is applying some advantage to driving the heavy second stage as compared to directly driving it from a battery.

Havnt drawn up the circuit yet, I will today.

Magluvin

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #98 on: November 02, 2009, 02:59:54 AM »
Tonight I finally resumed the tests on my batteries using my 14 switch board.

It took me a long time to "reprogram" the baby using a totally different approach to time management. It was getting really complicated to control the timing of switching using conventional CPU cycles/assembler language via the cycles each and every instruction takes.

So I decided to use an old tricky for time and it is working extremely well. I can precisely know when a switch will happen in relation to other switches and still control far apart switching times. Pretty interesting process.

I also had great difficulty adjusting the code to the PIC16F690 since it has different memory mapping and many different internal REGISTERS and so on, but now I got it up and running and it was worthy every penny and effort into this board. THANKS a lot to Groundloop for his help and his first board (and second, and third , I lost count) and his initial programming into the PIC16F84a.

In my first 1/2 hour running the battery goes up in voltage. Not much but definitely going up. I have been watching a few other threads and it is kind of clicking into my mind the simillarity I see from them and this experiment of mine (check this thread out: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/4753-space-time-energy-absorption-pump-2.html).

Fausto.


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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #99 on: November 02, 2009, 03:04:11 AM »
@Magluvin

I quickly created an experiment for your experiment using my switching board instead of a rotor and unfortunately I did not have much success. I kind of expected no success since I am not using a rotor neither magnets and neither know exactly what your circuit is. I am guessing here but it would be really helpful if you could give more details about your setup including the parts numbers and measurement (if possible).

Coils are incredible difficult to work with when one does not know the value since all the frequencies and resonances will be at play here in a not trivial way.

So, if you provide more info I will be more than glad to try to replicate this.

Fausto.

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #100 on: November 02, 2009, 02:59:25 PM »

I also had great difficulty adjusting the code to the PIC16F690 since it has different memory mapping and many different internal REGISTERS and so on, but now I got it up and running and it was worthy every penny and effort into this board. THANKS a lot to Groundloop for his help and his first board (and second, and third , I lost count) and his initial programming into the PIC16F84a.

Fausto.

@plengo

True, This is an unusual problem that effects primarily PIC style processors.


In my first 1/2 hour running the battery goes up in voltage. Not much but definitely going up. I have been watching a few other threads and it is kind of clicking into my mind the similarity I see from them and this experiment of mine (check this thread out: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/4753-space-time-energy-absorption-pump-2.html).

Fausto.


@plengo

I see a lot of commonality between a lot of different purportedly free energy
devices. But You shouldn't make the assumption that they have actually proved
anything yet, though...So, "YOUR Experiments" can make a significant difference
in how people perceive things, that is what this business is actually all about...that
is creation of societal value! Not the new patents. Example; The Tesla Switch.

:S:MarkSCoffman

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #101 on: November 02, 2009, 05:00:49 PM »
@mscoffman,

you're absolutely right. I am not making any assumptions about the veracity of my experiment. I have not convinced myself yet either. :)

Fausto.

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #102 on: November 04, 2009, 08:53:58 PM »
Magluvin can you post the circuit please?
Thanks

Im not saying that there are not additional or a depletion of electrons ever, but Im not sure that it plays a big part in a pulse motor setup. Lets say we have a pulse motor sitting on a table, not running, now get out the E690 Electron Counter and run a check. Just kidding. =]  But if we had an E690, and it gave us a number, then we run the pulse motor, even if it gathered some external electrons, once we shut it down and let it sit, The E690 may measure more, but did those extra electrons add up to any substantial power toward our goal? Or is it just a bit of static?
Now in very high voltage setups, It is still just moving electrons from one place to another, and thats only if they want to take the path that you give them. But it is all still just circuitry. Whether its capacitance or conductance.
Lets use the E690 to measure the electrons in a capacitor, then charge the cap, will the E690 actually measure a higher tot of electrons in the cap? I would say that if the cap were floating in a vacuum and it recieved a static charge, as a whole, then something somewhere is missing some, and eventually, that something is going to want them back. So that something will take from others that are willing to give up theirs, and so on.
How many electrons could we take from the earth, send them to the moon, before the earth says it wants them back?  Bam!! Or how many absent electrons on earth would it take take to start seeing problems here on earth because of it?  Crazy aint it?

I did a test on my setup due to a brain fart that had me convinced that maybe my second stage is just pulling from the battery through both reeds and the first diode.
I ran the big dog coil, .9 ohm on a reed and bat alone, and I got over 300v, but the drain on my 2.5v was .5v, where in the full setup, the tot drop was about .04v running both coils and driving the rotor nice.  So there is some advantage to the full setup.  Also I ran the setup without the first coil and using both reeds as they were, and the results were not the same. The first diode was warm and the first stage cap had an opposite effect on whether it was large or small. In the original setup, the larger the cap, the less the reed would stick, the test setup wanted small caps to keep the reed from sticking.
So there is something interesting going on as a full setup. I was a bit worried thinking about it for a couple hours. I was starting to smell my foot before it got to my mouth.
But I feel better now.  The first coil is applying some advantage to driving the heavy second stage as compared to directly driving it from a battery.

Havnt drawn up the circuit yet, I will today.

Magluvin

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #103 on: November 04, 2009, 11:58:16 PM »
This is one circuit with a single diode on the second stage and one with a bridge on the second stage.
The first coil is the rotor driver and the reeds are timed off of the rotor.
It was done in MS paint so dont laugh at the art work. I had drawn the b/w one and zeropoint drew the top in question as to if they were the same.
Hope that helps.
I had just gotten some new reeds to do some new ideas. Ill post some vids soon.
Mags

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #104 on: November 05, 2009, 03:01:17 AM »
Is this your circuit?

 

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