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Offline plengo

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #30 on: September 17, 2009, 02:53:15 PM »
Thanks Mk1 for the video, but what is the relevance of it with this thread?

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #31 on: September 17, 2009, 05:25:32 PM »
He spammed most of the threads with that... :(

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #32 on: September 17, 2009, 06:02:28 PM »
http://www.disclose.tv/viewvideo/29990/Dr__Steven_Greer_The_Promise_of_New_Energy/

I don't much like these 'space aliens' trying to lay claim to overunity energy
tech. Our science is alive...Sorry about yours.

I don't know whether they are competitive or not, but if they want to help
the world develop new energy devices, they need to do it now...because
this train is getting ready to leave the station.

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #32 on: September 17, 2009, 06:02:28 PM »
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Offline mscoffman

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #33 on: September 17, 2009, 06:39:34 PM »
Fausto,

I am sorry but I am not going to get too involved in this thread.  If you do some critical searching on Bedini motors you will find the 'other' viewpoint.  Try searches like "bedini not working" or "bedini failure" or "bedini fraud."  I think there is even a Bedini motor thread on this web site where people talk about doing serious test runs and there is no over unity.

I suggest that you try to at least prove that you have something with a basic setup, before you get more complex.  Learn how to make the measurements and figure it out for yourself, and do it seriously.

You will find that there is nothing there, but you have to prove it to yourself.

MileHigh

I think if you read carefully what plengo has previously posted in this
thread he is a bit of an expert on these Bedini SGS machines, which is
what is required. Quite frankly there are a number of different technologies
besides Bedini all claiming overunity, and IMHO, they all contain certain
common underlying features with Bedini.

The problem is without firm knowledge, which is how most people
operate, it is very difficult to prove anything. A continuously
self running system even with an externally energy-funded control
system (not energy-funding the core) would pretty much seal the
fact that something unusual is happening. A control system can be designed
that uses arbitrarily low amounts of power, depending on how much effort one
wants to put in on it's design. It would be preferable to find out how much
the core circuit can supply, then design a final controller. Also Battery
swapping and monitoring is required in a number of different overunity
energy configurations which contains certain complexities.

Science knows pretty much, it also knows the boundary of what it knows,
so sometimes it requires someone who can push the envelope to make
advancements.

I'm hoping that plengo keeps the design open and at a high level so that
others can contribute to move it ahead. Once it is semiproven perhaps he
could clone *and test* his hardware so that others can duplicate his effort.
Excess complexity, too soon, is always the enemy, but I know from past
experience that people set up projects in that way...so I can only hope.

:S:MarkSCoffman

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #34 on: September 17, 2009, 07:21:27 PM »
Fausto,

The new 4 channel differential inputs data sampler with relay control
is well underway. I will get the pcbs in a week time. When I have tested
the new HW and SW then I will ship you a board (+ some hard to find parts).
This circuit is freeware.
I will post the SW later on when everything checks out OK.

Groundloop.

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #35 on: September 18, 2009, 01:03:21 AM »
@Lakes, thanks for confirming what that video seams to be. A spam.

For now I am allowing a little bit of "crap" in our thread but soon if continues with things like that, I will simply delete it and delete all following responses too. No offence to anyone it is just that I HATE having to read 200 pages of talk and chat for only 10% being useful. This time I asked Stefan to give me the moderation rights so that I can keep it clean (which I do and I will).

@mscoffman

Yes, I agree with you. I dont care if aliens exists or not, if Jesus is not God (even thought I do care) or if the world is going to hell. IN THIS THREAD I only care about what is relevant to this technology and how WE can make it happen. :)

And as you wish, this project is for all and it will be always open source. It does not means it will succeed but I sure hope so too.

@Groundloop

Man, thank you my good friend. I am almost taking for granted your expertise and excellence in skills. It is that you present such a great focused quality work that it baffles me. :Oo) 

Thank you for sharing your new 2 in one setup. I am in the testing phase now with the TS (Tesla Switch). I just got the opts and the max chip and the HEX downloader too.

Also I am learning a lot about programming the PIC and it is fun the least to say.

Fausto.

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #36 on: September 22, 2009, 01:54:40 PM »
Updates: Last night I purchased new 4 2000mah hours lead acid batteries from Radio Shack. They are for camcorders. Very small in size and ideal for this application. I charged them last night using my 6 pole Bedini SSG. As a matter of fact I charged 6 batteries at once using my super 6 pole with no problems and no warming or damaging to any of the batteries. What a technology!!!

I got my opts in and finally I was able to program the PIC16F84a using a PICDEM lab. I did some quick tests using MPLAB IDE. Tonight I will do a quick runtest using 4 batteries aka Tesla Switch just for the fun of it and see the reaction with this first time experience.

I will run the Tesla Switch simply because I still have to learn and play with the other board that Groundloop gave me, the one that measure the voltage. Baby steps :)

Fausto.


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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #37 on: September 22, 2009, 06:09:33 PM »
Plengo;


Glad to hear you are getting somewhere.

---

In your initial schematic in this thread where you have N4007 and N5408
Listed, these should be; 1N4007 and 1N5408 respectively – 1N=diodes,
2N = transistors, 4N=opto’s

---

If you could, in your posts, limit the line lengths, as they go off the
right side of my screen making them hard to read and summarize.
Use Preview...I’d prefer not to miss anything.

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There are about 4 difference possibilities for energy gain in
these circuit situations. The Tesla switch (without any HV
inductive pulse) makes use of only one, While the Bedini Fan
would possibly make use of all four. A high power Bedini
machine like your 6 pole SGS makes use of all four plus it has
a fifth which is actually a cheat. It really doesn’t matter though,
if you are simply using this as a battery charger, but for
energy creation that is a different thing.

It isn’t surprising to me that your Bedini SGS can charge
more than one battery at a time in parallel. Think of the Bedini
recharge pulse, as a signal; to have the batteries recharge
themselves. As long as the signal gets through to the batteries
it generally doesn’t matter how powerful the SGS is! I call the
Bedini motor ‘An Exciter’ by the way.

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Your should try to configure your tesla switch with the same three battery
configuration as the Bedini Fan using the two back-to-back batteries
as a regulator. If so I predict you will see the same kind of behavior on
the tesla switch battery voltage meter as you did on the Fan.

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Another question I had is whether the your meters have any computer
interface connector on the back? New ones are probably labeled HPIB,
the old ones probably have a connector labeled something-BCD.

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Finally, it would be nice to know what the voltages are on the batteries
after a one second “cool down” period disconnected completely from the
exciter, and whether they match the voltages on the batteries while they
are running the circuit. One could use an electrolytic capacitor to
keep the Fan circuit running while using reed relays to disconnect
battery chain completely (on both ends) from the Fan circuit for
measurement. This should stop the digit bobbling completely and allow
for one or two voltage measurements rather than a moving average
algorithm, also allowing for use of a less digit accurate meter. This may
be a necessity, if you want to use Groundloop's u'p based meter circuit.

Hopefully, doing this will not invalidate what was already seen
– but it could.

In any case take it easy and good luck.

:S:MarkSCoffman

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #38 on: September 22, 2009, 07:57:06 PM »
@mscoffman

Quote
In your initial schematic in this thread where you have N4007 and N5408
Listed, these should be; 1N4007 and 1N5408 respectively – 1N=diodes,
2N = transistors, 4N=opto’s
you are correct. The diodes are 1N4007 and 1N5408 and the transistor 2N kinds. 
The Bedini circuit for the fan is not really relevant since ANY SSG will do.
The extra stuff is what is relevant.

I noticed the screen going to the right when pictures are embedded too. So I will
do my best with the line lenght.

Quote
There are about 4 difference possibilities for energy gain in
these circuit situations. The Tesla switch (without any HV
inductive pulse) makes use of only one, While the Bedini Fan
would possibly make use of all four. A high power Bedini
machine like your 6 pole SGS makes use of all four plus it has
a fifth which is actually a cheat. It really doesn’t matter though,
if you are simply using this as a battery charger, but for
energy creation that is a different thing.

It isn’t surprising to me that your Bedini SGS can charge
more than one battery at a time in parallel. Think of the Bedini
recharge pulse, as a signal; to have the batteries recharge
themselves. As long as the signal gets through to the batteries
it generally doesn’t matter how powerful the SGS is! I call the
Bedini motor ‘An Exciter’ by the way.

I was surprise, very surprised to see my 6 pole SSG charging as many batteries as
I want in parallel. When I did my load tests in the past I NEVER used in that configuration.
I always had one battery in the front and one in the back. Simply because I was
doing measurements to see if the Bedini's claims were correct or not.

I can not understand how can one not see the amazing benefit of an SSG when charging
many batteries as I did. I am suspicious that 6 batteries in the back-end is NOT the limit.


Quote
Your should try to configure your tesla switch with the same three battery
configuration as the Bedini Fan using the two back-to-back batteries
as a regulator. If so I predict you will see the same kind of behavior on
the tesla switch battery voltage meter as you did on the Fan.
As I was driving to work, I thought about keeping it to only
3 batteries and also use the configuration I did already (just as you mentioned).

Quote
Another question I had is whether the your meters have any computer
interface connector on the back? New ones are probably labeled HPIB,
the old ones probably have a connector labeled something-BCD.

I do have a meter that can connect to the computer and also I have the CBAII which is
what I have been using in the past for voltage measurements. The only problem is that
that system eats about 10ma of power from the system. I will look into what interface
my meter uses. I will look tonight what kind connection my meter uses. I know already
it would cost me another $80 for the device.

Quote
Finally, it would be nice to know what the voltages are on the batteries
after a one second “cool down” period disconnected completely from the
exciter, and whether they match the voltages on the batteries while they
are running the circuit. One could use an electrolytic capacitor to
keep the Fan circuit running while using reed relays to disconnect
battery chain completely (on both ends) from the Fan circuit for
measurement. This should stop the digit bobbling completely and allow
for one or two voltage measurements rather than a moving average
algorithm, also allowing for use of a less digit accurate meter. This may
be a necessity, if you want to use Groundloop's u'p based meter circuit.

That's a good point to ponder about. Well, I am a little bit far from that
still since I only got to the Tesla Switch so far and tonight will be my first
run.

Thanks for the advices,
Fausto.


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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #38 on: September 22, 2009, 07:57:06 PM »
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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #39 on: September 26, 2009, 05:02:56 PM »

@All;

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8090.msg#new

The above link points to the documentation on a PC
host computer interface based on ten common TTL
IC's that allows expansion to 80 bits on both input and
output. Software is users's responsibility as always.
Based on what I've promised.

A microcontroller and this interface are really interchangeable solutions
other than that it's very easy to archive data to a hard disk
on a host.


@mscoffman

I do have a meter that can connect to the computer and also I have the
CBAII which is what I have been using in the past for voltage
measurements. The only problem is that that system eats about 10ma of
power from the system. I will look into what interface my meter uses. I will
look tonight what kind connection my meter uses. I know already it would
cost me another $80 for the device.



I doubt that that it takes the 10ma from the voltage probes!
So an independent power supply for the meter seems doable.
This whole thing would only be done to provide a "scientific link"
to what you've already seen, so you could make one step at time
changes.

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The screen width info seems to be coming form the web board - the
initial messages to this thread!

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #40 on: September 26, 2009, 05:31:42 PM »
@mscoffman,

Said:
"Finally, it would be nice to know what the voltages are on the batteries
after a one second “cool down” period disconnected completely from the
exciter, and whether they match the voltages on the batteries while they
are running the circuit. One could use an electrolytic capacitor to
keep the Fan circuit running while using reed relays to disconnect
battery chain completely (on both ends) from the Fan circuit for
measurement. This should stop the digit bobbling completely and allow
for one or two voltage measurements rather than a moving average
algorithm, also allowing for use of a less digit accurate meter. This may
be a necessity, if you want to use Groundloop's u'p based meter circuit."

Yes, that is why I'm building the new combined switch and relay board.

It will be easy to wire up a circuit for test with 6 independent relays. The
board is connected to a PC via serial communication and the host PC will
be able to control the measurements and the relays. A RS232 to USB dongle
can be used on computers that do not have the old serial port. The Maxim
analog to digital converter used is a very good converter. It has 12 bit
resolution. One other nice feature is the four differential inputs.
We can measure four different voltages without any defined ground.

Groundloop.

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #40 on: September 26, 2009, 05:31:42 PM »
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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #41 on: October 06, 2009, 12:13:20 AM »
Updates:

I have been testing the HELL of the TS with 4, 3, 2 and 1 battery. Baby steps! There are so many variables that it is difficult to keep myself focused.

I am testing each concept from 4 to 1 "nodes" so that I can understand the dynamics. So far nothing special about the switching and how the batteries operate. They indeed discharge regularly when used in the Tesla 4 Switch project BUT I have found something extremely weird.

In one of my configs (which soon I will show schematics) I have one battery and 2 capacitors working as if they were other batteries. I also had an SSG connected so that things are going towards this projects principals. One thing has happend when I removed my SSG and replaced it with a cap and the whole system is switching at around 5khz but no flow of energy anywhere and the battery is charging for the last 3 days non stop.

There is no logical explanation (at least that I could find) for the particular behavior (you guys will see the schematics and you will see it makes no sence).

Soon more info to come (I am at work now).

Fausto.

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #42 on: October 06, 2009, 10:14:21 PM »
I am so pissed. THis thing not only is craizy it is insane. It simply stopped working after 4 consecutive days of running the voltage on the battery up.

No reason whatsoever to either make the voltage go up and neither to stop all of a sudden.

I am sure not to be insane because I simply caught it on camera. I rebuild the thing and still no replication. I am so bummed!

Fausto.

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #43 on: October 07, 2009, 01:41:16 AM »
Fausto,

Please post a drawing of your newest setup. Are you running the TS from a
separate power source? If you do, just remember that there IS a small power
transfer through the optocouplers. The reason for this is that the base inside
the optocoupler is a small "solar cell" receiving power from the internal led.
The power transfer IS small but it is there.

Groundloop.

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #44 on: October 07, 2009, 05:03:25 PM »
I am so pissed. THis thing not only is craizy it is insane. It simply stopped working after 4 consecutive days of running the voltage on the battery up.

You know, the voltage on a battery can't go up forever...You must
be a Republican - just kidding.

Please post a schematic. It may be that a DC voltage on a capacitor
needs to mimic what was going on in in the other setup to unbalance
the circuit. I doubt if you even have an external control/sensor
circuit right? I suspect that the first free energy mechanism is
associated with charging the battery in a way to have it accept
external heat energy, which is possible in Chemical science. But
you are going to need to find out what that method actually is.

:MarkSCoffman

 

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