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Author Topic: Bedini SSG - self sustaining  (Read 132292 times)

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #210 on: September 10, 2010, 05:01:42 PM »
teslaset,

nothing is moving. It is very easy to make an SSG self-oscilate. I have many videos in my youtube channel (under plengo) that shows that. It is just a matter of reducing the resistor value connected to the base of the transistor until you get it running.

Sometimes it is necessary to pass a magnet over the coil once to trigger and it will go.

My setup for this self-running is not easy to replicate and observe I would say. One must observe for days until noticed and understand the behavior of the battery.

if the battery is fully chaged, it will go down a lot but there is a point where it stabilizes and there it goes up and down, and up and down. Stop for 8 hours and the voltage will rest at a point. Start the whole process again and keep giving rest to the battery (disconnect fully from the system) and the voltage will start resting at higher and higher levels.

I started with two fully charged batteries at 12.50v and now they are at 11.50v. During the experimentation I have tried many variations and never recharged the batteries again. So I end up with voltages as low as 9v.

Than I found this fine point where you see on the diagram and it keeps a very fine balance. Give it a rest for a few hours and voila, voltage rest at higher than when started.

I am planning to leave this untouched until it either will kill the batteries for good or go higher and higher. Time will tell.

I added a switch that turns on/off every so often to do that rest for me.

My findings leads me to conclude that SSG indeed creates a signal that the battery is capable of converting into good energy that can run the system, BUT you can never really take energy out and in on the battery at the "same instant in time". One must let the battery either be in "charge" state or "load" state.

That's why I use the switching mechanism. Bedini shows that clearly in his free energy book with the motor and a heavy fly wheel.

I must confess that batteries are very tricky. They ghost charge and tricky you a lot and my biggest difficulty is distinguishing that. When it is a good charge or a ghost temporary charge.

I noticed also that when the battery is very low in voltage it behaves the best in receiving the radiant energy.

Fausto.

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #210 on: September 10, 2010, 05:01:42 PM »

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #211 on: September 10, 2010, 05:08:44 PM »
@Fausto,

Are you saying that there is no external magnet present near the bifilar coil when self-oscillating?

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #212 on: September 10, 2010, 05:13:51 PM »
@Fausto,

Are you saying that there is no external magnet present near the bifilar coil when self-oscillating?

Sorry. There is. I am just not spinning the wheel. Yes, they could be helping the self-resonating although I don't think it is really relevant.

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #212 on: September 10, 2010, 05:13:51 PM »
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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #213 on: September 10, 2010, 05:29:26 PM »
Sorry. There is. I am just not spinning the wheel. Yes, they could be helping the self-resonating although I don't think it is really relevant.

Fausto.

If there is even the slightest (not noticeable by eye) movement, it is very relevant.
If you move a permanent magnet across a magnetic iron core, it will influence the B-H curve.
B-H curves are extremely sensitive to external magnetic influence.
If the B-H curve is altered during the electronic pulsing of the coil this might be the clue for OU.

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #214 on: September 10, 2010, 07:08:41 PM »
Oh I see. If that's the case, YES the wheel vibrates very tinily during the pulses, so all 6 coils will have that B-H curve affected as you say (aka Steorn??).

Indeed that could be one of the pieces of the puzzle. I am very sure that the battery is extremely important element because replacing with CAPs (no matter how small or big they are and voltages) the difference is simply too dramatic and negative.

Caps work well when used to maintain certain voltages or better avoid voltage fluctuations and that with 50% losses off course. When used as storage it is simply a disaster.

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #215 on: September 10, 2010, 07:23:30 PM »
Oh I see. If that's the case, YES the wheel vibrates very tinily during the pulses, so all 6 coils will have that B-H curve affected as you say (aka Steorn??).

Yes, this is the exact reason, resemblance with Steorn.
I'll try to explain my understanding later this weekend, tonight I am not at home, I need to access some graphs I made earlier.

I am very sure that the battery is extremely important element because replacing with CAPs (no matter how small or big they are and voltages) the difference is simply too dramatic and negative.

Interesting finding and good to know.

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #216 on: September 10, 2010, 08:11:07 PM »
Fausto,

Would be very interesting to see what your results are when you fixate the rotor relative to the coils.
When you're done with your planned experiments, would you care to run such a charge run to see whether this indeed has impact?

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #217 on: September 10, 2010, 10:15:40 PM »
if you mean making the rotor non-movable not even to the tiny bit, sure.

I will.

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #218 on: September 11, 2010, 11:04:52 AM »
My setup for this self-running is not easy to replicate and observe I would say. One must observe for days until noticed and understand the behavior of the battery.
...
if the battery is fully chaged, it will go down a lot but there is a point where it stabilizes and there it goes up and down, and up and down. Stop for 8 hours and the voltage will rest at a point. Start the whole process again and keep giving rest to the battery (disconnect fully from the system) and the voltage will start resting at higher and higher levels.
...
I added a switch that turns on/off every so often to do that rest for me.
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I noticed also that when the battery is very low in voltage it behaves the best in receiving the radiant energy.

hi Fausto

interesting results and reports!


i can add confirmation of these effects from my own investigation of capacitor and low-power pulsed inductor behaviour

from my own experience i think you may find that these 'interesting' battery states occur at regular voltage increments (particular to each battery?)


i first noticed the effect in capacitors whilst datalogging the anomalous low-level daily charge cycle on capacitors with a high-impedance load

i later saw and recognised the same behaviour when charging and discharging NiCd & NiMH batteries with my test circuits

here are a couple of example discharge graphs (battery & Capacitor) from the 'Secret Life of Capacitors' PDF which i produced recently containing the datalogging results

   PDF at:  ringcomps.co.uk/doc
   (PDF download link is at top of 'Latest' page, reached from side menu bar)

   OU.com thread at:  http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=9393.msg247816#msg247816

my on-going investigations use very low-power pulse circuits to investigate the possibility of achieving a self-sustaining pulse circuit

i am seeing this same effect of the battery (and capacitor) sources reaching a voltage 'plateau' in their discharge voltage level which prolongs the supply to the circuit, without decrease of terminal voltage

my circuit is pulsing current (at approx 12Hz at present) thro' LEDs and a transformer primary and returning energy pulses to the battery (8.4V 150mAh NiMH/NiCd; very discharged)

the circuit provides its own pulse timing (using a relaxation oscillator) with a mark-space ratio of approx 1:1000 - this is intended to achieve that condition you describe as allowing the battery to 'rest' between loading


at present, however, i've noticed that although the terminal voltage is remaining fixed for days (or sometimes weeks, with flash rates < 1Hz) the actual pk-pk voltage of the drive pulses is very gradually decreasing

so at the moment it appears that what is happening is that yes, we can achieve a sustained (or sometimes increased) 'rest' terminal voltage on the source - *but* the energy draw also appears to effectively increase the internal impedance of the source with time

so the net effect is that the energy supplied from the source is decreasing , even though the terminal voltage appears static


these are still interesting effects - particularly the 'plateau' behaviour of (some?) batteries and capacitors, which i take to be the results of some Quantum energy level effect, common to both storage media


i'm pleased to see that someone else is seeing the same sort of effects and i look forward to hearing more about your results as your tests continue!

all the best
sandy
« Last Edit: September 11, 2010, 11:28:48 AM by nul-points »

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #219 on: September 11, 2010, 06:44:50 PM »
Very good response Sandy,

I am seeing exactly the same as you better described. Longer doing this more the total energy decreases although maintaining the voltage level (which some say the voltage means nothing concerning total energy in the system).

I am very interested in the effect itself and the "impression" that I can run for a long time once finding that particular balance on that "plateu" of the voltage and its current capacity of generating (by whatever means) the necessary energy back to sustain that plateu.

It is something to do with the spikes and the battery chemistry. I wonder if changing some form of the frequency of that spike and period of application of it would cause a trully self-sustaining (although zero energy battery) system.

What I care is a self-sustaining system irrelevant of meters confirm the level of energy or not. If it runs for a long, long, long time that is what I want.

Only than I will work on engineering a larger scale.

I knew your site somehow and good articles too.

Fausto.

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #220 on: September 11, 2010, 07:07:27 PM »
Sandy,

after reading your "The Secret Life of Capacitors PDF" article I immediately remembered some of my own observations concerning the voltage fluctuations on my experiments.

Some of the fluctuations would be more pronounced on certain days and hours which many times rushed me to come to the forum and post a "success" message while not to only wait another day and the voltage would drop again (causing me great deal of frustration).

If I did not understand your article wrong, would be possible to utilize that moment where the earth is charged higher?

I quote your choosen best explanation:
Quote
) our capacitors are being charged directly by the ionospheric charge above us;
(i understand that a Faraday cage only blocks AC fields, not static DC fields)

Don't you think would be possible to have an array of capacitor or batteries that utilize that extra energy (during those peaks)?

Fausto.


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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #221 on: September 12, 2010, 12:15:18 AM »
Hi SSGers!

BTW:
Salutations to Nul-Points (the guy from Dorset/GB). :))

Thanks to Plengo for his creative SelfRunner-SSG-v2 CirCuiT
Worth to be tried indeed.

My (poor?) understanding:
At a first glance, 'statically-wise',  the voltage across C1 should be 12 volts!
If it is not the case that means that the C1 cap and the bat are both feeding the CCT while being both charged.
But the bat is kinda 'helped' by the cap.
BTW2: IMHO, the cap and the bat are not charged with current but with voltages spikes.

Something to try, IMHO: to put smaller C1 capacitor and change R4.
Do you remember this DJT CCT where a tiny 100 pF cap is used to power the second JT?
This is Tesla stuff...

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As far as I can catch it, a self oscillating SSG is an SSG with a non spinning but
vibrating rotor.

In that case, IMHO, it looks like a mere basic Joule Thief with, notably, an extra diode at
the transistor base and a magnet 'near' the double coil.
Is it not?

I have observed some self charging effects (bat voltage increase) with one JT-like CCT (triple coil).

Unfortunately, it does not last more than a "small couple of" hours and after that, the bat voltage
begins to decrease like my patience.  :-\

Actually I did not use a very tricky wiring and the Plengo CCT gives me some ideas
for my JTs and my SSGs.


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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #222 on: September 16, 2010, 07:23:34 PM »
@plengo

In the "Self running coil" link;

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8892.0

User gotoluc used a stator coil from a small utility AC powered vent-fan motor
as a "probe coil" to capture some energy back from his main coil. When used for
calculations the behavior of his main circuit, which was powered from a capacitor,
added to the extra energy captured by the probe secondary coil seemed "way"
overunity.

Unfortunately he didn't go the route of using a pulse transformer and/or a
diode voltage multiplier to step the voltage from the extra coil energy up in a
way that could have inserted it back into the capacitor, to demonstrate overunity.

I was thinking you could try something similar. If you do try it, you should load the
coil with a resistor rather than having an open coil, but the concept is to try to
get some power back without affecting the main coil loading initially. This might
nudge your self recharging battery circuit to overunity and allow you to optimize
on the other side of unity power gain. You also have some microcontroller
capability to try, which could get interesting.

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I also wonder if possible to "punch through" the fantom charge voltage
by stopping charging and putting a high load on the battery for a very brief
time to correctly assess the actual battery voltage-state-of-charge.

:S:MarkSCoffman

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #223 on: December 28, 2010, 05:56:44 AM »
I started a new thread about the Captret and Tesla Switch experiment.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10175.msg268501#msg268501

Fausto.

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #224 on: October 13, 2013, 04:39:50 PM »
hye... im newbie here. sorry if i ask a noob question..

i have read about the bedini generator.

it using two battery right. one is use for drive, another one is for charge.
if the bedini is running, is is the drive battery will drain? is it i need to change the drive battery in another time?
sorry for my bad english. i hope you understand what i mean. thanks :)

 

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