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Offline Magluvin

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #150 on: November 19, 2009, 03:14:41 AM »
Thanks Plengo
In the last 3 vids, I am only using 1 reed here to activate the 3 coils in parallel then capturing the bemf only from the coils. The lil green coil doesnt need to be there. The 2 larger coils in parallel are doing all the work. They are 0.9 ohm each and the green is 7 ohm.
I am running 4 AA nimh in series. They put out about 5.2v to 5.3v at rest after settling from full charge. It runs quite well on 1 AA also. The small reeds were an obstacle for me before. They couldnt take what I wanted them to.
In the circuits you show above, there was definitely an offset to when the reeds were pulsing, those lil reeds could never handle these coils alone.

The mags I am using are 1/2 x 1/8 diametric disks N42  KJmagnetics. 16 of them.
I am making a new platform for all this to set on tonight. The vid setup was just with what I had around to try things before settling on the way I want things.  But now it all seems worth setting up nicer and more permanent for working on. It will have more room to work and set up more coils and reeds for going forward with the previous circuits above. And it will clearly show what is going on better for vids.
The bemf capture in this setup has impressive output. I would say enough to run another separate pulse motor setup.
I was thinking of a transformer to change the ratio of bemf voltage/current, but just applying caps and load seems to do the same without transformer inefficiency. I have to use a heat sink on the bemf diode, the lil schotky died on me due to too much current into the 5 ohm 5 watt resistor.  Unbelievably, of course.
The speed of the switching improves things here also. Getting that rotor speed really helps shorten those pulses and bemf output enhanced. Something I just could not get with smaller reeds.

Magluvin

And Bebe helps hold the meter for me. =]

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #150 on: November 19, 2009, 03:14:41 AM »

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #151 on: November 20, 2009, 12:31:04 AM »
Hi Fausto,

According to your PIC control codes (from your Reply #140, previous page) switches 11 and 12 are turned on at the same time, right?  Can you tell, how long this simultaneous switch-on for these two switches lasts?  (Maybe about 27-28 millisecond?, guessing from your scope pictures.)

(Your opto switch has a rise and fall time of 7-7 us (microsecond), from its datasheet, just for the knowing, no problem seems with this here. And also the MJE3055 has a fT=2MHz (a frequency where its Beta gets reduced to unity.)

So returning to my first question of the common on-time for Q11 and Q12 switches, whenever this common switch-on happens, then the battery gets short-circuited by these switches via the coil L1, right?
And assuming your measured current of between 10uA to 110uA means an average current, there must be much bigger peak currents flowing because the 55.7V battery pack is shorted by Q11 and Q12.  Maybe you have checked this already with a series small value (0.1-0.5 Ohm) resistor's voltage drop, observed by the scope?

One more thing on the switch: the MJE3055 has about a 60V collector-emitter breakdown voltage limit, this means  leakage current near the 55.7V battery voltage may start increasing, hence some current may flow through in the off state too, thinking on the undriven but included Q3, Q4 and Q8 too.

Finally I would like to know how you mean the 0.5 pico second on the last scope shot? (quoted in bold by me below)    Maybe a misprint?

@Groundloop

the horizontal was 0.01 seconds. Vertical was 0.05 volts / div. The last scope shot was .5 pico-seconds.


Also, it is ok you wrote it is a 10V pulse instead of the 100V but I still wonder if I see the total amplitude of the negative pulse in your first scope shot or simply the very bottom of the peak amplitude is not shown?
I ask this because at 0.05V/DIV range setting I can see a max of 3.5 vertical divisons for the spike which would give about 1.75V, not 10V. Is this ok?

This circuit behaves strange for sure, I wonder if the battery voltage kept increasing steadily, after your report in Reply #140?

Regards, Gyula

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #152 on: November 20, 2009, 08:00:59 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUoKzD6acB4

A vid of my improved setup running 3 coils in parallel, 0.14 ohms.

Mags

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #152 on: November 20, 2009, 08:00:59 AM »
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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #153 on: November 20, 2009, 03:15:18 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7PR8JEVp7A

This is a second vid of the improved setup, made some reed adjustments by adding another magnet and she is running fastest ever. plus more bemf output.
Mags

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #154 on: November 20, 2009, 06:11:04 PM »
Hi Mags

Very good setup and test! 

Can you somehow estimate your input current from the batteries so that you could figure out the input power, now that you know the output.

rgds, Gyula

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #155 on: November 20, 2009, 10:09:50 PM »
@Magluvin

I am totally impressed with that last setup. Running really fast and putting out 1.3 Watts? Uauuuuu.

May be you can make it run itself!

Fausto.

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #156 on: November 21, 2009, 06:30:36 PM »
Hi Fausto,

According to your PIC control codes (from your Reply #140, previous page) switches 11 and 12 are turned on at the same time, right?  Can you tell, how long this simultaneous switch-on for these two switches lasts?  (Maybe about 27-28 millisecond?, guessing from your scope pictures.)

(Your opto switch has a rise and fall time of 7-7 us (microsecond), from its datasheet, just for the knowing, no problem seems with this here. And also the MJE3055 has a fT=2MHz (a frequency where its Beta gets reduced to unity.)

So returning to my first question of the common on-time for Q11 and Q12 switches, whenever this common switch-on happens, then the battery gets short-circuited by these switches via the coil L1, right?
And assuming your measured current of between 10uA to 110uA means an average current, there must be much bigger peak currents flowing because the 55.7V battery pack is shorted by Q11 and Q12.  Maybe you have checked this already with a series small value (0.1-0.5 Ohm) resistor's voltage drop, observed by the scope?

One more thing on the switch: the MJE3055 has about a 60V collector-emitter breakdown voltage limit, this means  leakage current near the 55.7V battery voltage may start increasing, hence some current may flow through in the off state too, thinking on the undriven but included Q3, Q4 and Q8 too.

Finally I would like to know how you mean the 0.5 pico second on the last scope shot? (quoted in bold by me below)    Maybe a misprint?

Also, it is ok you wrote it is a 10V pulse instead of the 100V but I still wonder if I see the total amplitude of the negative pulse in your first scope shot or simply the very bottom of the peak amplitude is not shown?
I ask this because at 0.05V/DIV range setting I can see a max of 3.5 vertical divisons for the spike which would give about 1.75V, not 10V. Is this ok?

This circuit behaves strange for sure, I wonder if the battery voltage kept increasing steadily, after your report in Reply #140?

Regards, Gyula

Sorry the delay to answer you. The voltage peak is off the screen on the scope and it is around 8v. I put the scope on 5v div and it goes almost to 2 divs.

The time division is actually uT (micro) not pico. Sorry again for my bad science measurements. I know that because the nob of the scope (off course).

I just found out that my Q11 is cooked and it is always shorted. I dont know for how long has been like that , so I guess all my measurements are contaminated.

I let the system run for 5 days untouched and the battery voltage goes up above the initial charge and than goes down below the initial voltage and than it goes up again and the whole cycle repeats. Very strange indeed but I dont know when the Q11 cooked.

Fausto.


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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #156 on: November 21, 2009, 06:30:36 PM »
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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #157 on: November 21, 2009, 06:42:49 PM »
Hi Fausto,

Ok, thanks for your answer, I understand and keep up good work!

Rgds,  Gyula

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #158 on: November 21, 2009, 08:06:27 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VRtohiKNns

New vid using Watt's UP meter to show power being used on my motor setup.

By the way, I really like what you guys are working on here also. Very cool stuff.

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« Reply #159 on: November 21, 2009, 09:28:16 PM »
Sorry guys, the readings in the last vid were inaccurate. I just checked and the Watt's UP meter is only accurate above 4v. Found I had mixxed up batteries and they were not all fully charged. Will do new vid in a lil while.
Ill have more light also, YT processing darkens it quite a bit. My camera replayed the vid great.

Magluvin

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #160 on: November 22, 2009, 12:29:54 AM »
Well, with my latest stupid failure in the hardware and not noticing I am frustrated and a little bit ashamed. How could I miss that? and worse, misinform everyone on it. Oh well, I guess it happens sometimes.

So, with my dear frustration and never ending desire to understand still what I have found since the beginning of this thread I started looking for that "cell" that could explain the arise in voltage on the batteries. I think I found something even more interesting and simpler than before and this time the transistor is NOT cooked.

It is as simple as an AV plug. Current is about 6 micro-amp. Voltage is increasing at about 0.001volt per minute on B2 and 0.001volt per 10 minutes on B1 . B1 is at 12.22 volts while B2 is at 10.57 (discharged).

Frequency is at the maximum my PIC can deliver for this board (I think around 20 mhz but I doubt it is that fast, most probably at about 1 mhz).

Switching is simply done by turning Q10 ON and OFF one instruction after the other with no delays anywhere.

I will let it run for a few days and than replace those batteries with other ones to confirm the effect.

This is so simple that one can create a simple oscilator to turn ON and OFF a transistor. No need for PIC controllers. An AV plug, unbelievable.



Fausto.


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« Reply #161 on: November 22, 2009, 04:35:22 AM »
I promised to let the previous system running for a few days BUT I had another great idea. Why not let B1 not only help B2 get charged but also let B2 help B1 get charged. So......, here it goes.

Fausto.

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« Reply #162 on: November 22, 2009, 02:25:09 PM »

... and not noticing I am frustrated and a little bit ashamed. How could I miss that? and worse, misinform everyone on it. Oh well, I guess it happens sometimes.


Dear Fausto,

To err is human and a person who never makes mistakes is who never does anything. 

Re on you latest circuit: simple and interesting, and please let it run for a longer periode of time to get meaningful observations.

My opinion is that it is the non-linear chemical reactions happening inside the batteries that manifest as if extra energy were created, unfortunately.
And surely such pulsed currents can induce the reactions by their sudden appearance and disapperance (i.e. current switch-on and -off), Bedini always said overunity is in the batteries, not in his circuits charging them.

In your modified schematic above, I cannot see the 10uH coil, it is included in the working circuit, right?

As a first step with this AV plug circuit, it would seem more reasonable first not to make it a closed loop yet, I think one step at a time here, I believe.
But you are your own master of course.  :D ;)

Thanks / ciao
Gyula

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« Reply #163 on: November 22, 2009, 11:30:39 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaDjlsXvioQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-XQjc1jUw4
New Watt's UP vid and a continuing vid due to time cutoff
Mags

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« Reply #164 on: November 23, 2009, 01:32:34 AM »
My opinion is that it is the non-linear chemical reactions happening inside the batteries that manifest as if extra energy were created, unfortunately.
And surely such pulsed currents can induce the reactions by their sudden appearance and disapperance (i.e. current switch-on and -off), Bedini always said overunity is in the batteries, not in his circuits charging them.

I totally agree with you on that one. I guess this weekend my test were all failures, even this last one I screw up when measuring and shorted the batteries changing the whole thing. Now I have to wait for them to rest their voltage and start again and that can take a whole day.

One thing that I am learning about pulsating batteries is that they tend to charge up pretty fast with those pulses but somehow later it seams that the energy they "create" from within is very soon "evaporated" out making the voltage lower again as if there was never a gain. Very interesting. That may explain one point that Bedini keep saying that just "Radiant Energy" will dry up the batteries so it is necessary to have some small current going into it during the charging.

Since I am using in the micro amps range I can conclude that small currents like this does not help the battery to "absorb" that extra energy that the chemicals create when they are "shaken".

If the Tesla battery switch is true I wonder how resonance plays a role here and how one can find that resonance. Another thing that come to me as an intuition about how the battery works is that I tend to see a battery as a coil and a capacitor (LC) in resonance all the time, therefore lots of current running from within and either we are taking the battery out of resonance and using its energy or we are putting out of resonance to the other degree level when we are charging the battery.

That is how I tend to see this effects since all I am doing is really pulsating the system, no current really and may be sometimes it hits the battery to the right time where the "out of tunning" or the internal LC goes to the right side of the degree of resonance (95 or 85 degrees if you understand my concepts being 90 degree being perfect resonance and therefore maximum current).

I am still not satisfied with my experiments since they all work at a certain point and than reverses. I am still looking to understand how those batteries can charge up.

Fausto.

 

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