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Author Topic: Bedini SSG - self sustaining  (Read 133769 times)

Offline mscoffman

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #135 on: November 15, 2009, 07:19:23 PM »
@plengo

Now that you have apparent overunity electrical energy showing up, don't you think it's
time to actually measure excess energy production? This only needs to be approximate
since it should (will) eventually exceed system battery capacity. While it's meaningless
as a technical proof of overunity, it will represent a unique internet first, as advertising
for beginners, and as confirmation for us more mature scientific types.

People are always saying; "We came to web site to find a free energy device to
construct, but all we find are a lot of nice non-provable posts, and we looked but
haven't found one yet that we trust". It would be very nice to be able to say;
"Look here...; and do it this way;"

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #135 on: November 15, 2009, 07:19:23 PM »

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #136 on: November 15, 2009, 09:10:37 PM »
@mscoffman

oh boy, easier said than done. I wish my device here is showing overunity. I think it is so far just showing a strange behavior that I have seen many time when testing Bedini machines. Batteries are a funny beast.

That being said, yes, I want to measure things in a way that we can really see how effective this thing is. I guess I will need lots of help on this area, since measuring to this level is never easy neither is my expertise although I am willing to learn.

So far what I am trying to do is find the "reason" why this strange phenomena is present and how can I isolate to its fundamental component and logic. I see so far two things in my experiments:

1) short, very ultra short pulses (short circuiting) the battery which will cause a high voltage spike even though it is on a one wire "coil" with no turns causing the BEMF to appear. That kind of makes sense when one look at the 100, 200 even 300 volt spikes being present at the moment the switch is OPENED, cutting the flow of current.  My last diagram shows just that experiment and it is working pretty well. Very slowly it is charging the battery but it is.

2) Switching the positive pole of the cap (my previous diagram) to the positive and negative of the battery B1 charging the cap to a higher voltage than it is available on the system.

Those two things are very easy to dismiss as two instances of almost the same thing. On the item 1 I have designed the switching in such a way that there is NO current flowing at any time although it might be some current flowing because of the nature of the transistor being used (although in this case probably in the nano-amps) but for pratical applications it seams to not affect the source of the energy, in this case the batteries. Neither seams to be visible in my scope. I do see during the pulse a momentarily current in the range of tenths of a mili-amp only at the pulse when the switch is OPENED which makes no sense to me.

I would think that would be some current flow during the "charging" period of the "one wire-no-turn coil" but I only see the discharge. I could be wrong. I hope to be able to really measure this and proof that one point. I think that it is what is happening because I can only make that happen when I have all switches OPENED and closing one of the switches and OPENING again and bum, there comes the pulse (while the remaining switches were all OPENED).

On point 2 I do see a current flowing from the battery B1 into the cap but that would not explain (at least for my limited knowledge) why the cap would charge to a higher voltage than the available on the system. It sounds like the item 1 but this time with some current, although here I also avoid the system to close loop.

I am very puzzled by this design. I need more ideas in how to isolate the fundamentals and create a simple test case for it.

Fausto.

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #137 on: November 15, 2009, 11:47:18 PM »
Hi Fausto,

Thanks again.  Would you tell if your optos drive a power transistor and this latter does the actual switching? if yes what is their type?  sorry for not fully in your setup. maybe a drawing of one single switching stage with its opto drive (no need for the PIC) would clarify it for me, this way I might be better  evaluating your circuit.

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #138 on: November 15, 2009, 11:57:22 PM »
@gyulasun

no problem. Here they are. The LED1 goes to the output of the PIC and opto pin 2 goes to ground. Whenever you see a diode on my previous simplified picture I meant the transitor Collector-Emitor junction. So I have to always keep in mind where the collector should be connected to when I am connecting the batteries and so on.

The whole board is powered by a power source at 5v.

And for completion here it goes a sniped of the code that loops for ever:

Start:

bsf SW11              ; turn ON
bsf SW12              ; turn ON
bsf SW4                ; turn ON
bcf SW4                ; turn OFF
call delay100mS    ; delay for about 100 mili-seconds
bcf SW12              ; turn OFF
call delay500uS     ; delay for about 500 micro-seconds
bcf SW11              ; turn OFF
call delay100mS    ; delay for about 100 mili-seconds
bsf SW9                ; turn ON
call delay500uS     ; delay for about 500 micro-seconds 
bcf SW9                ; turn OFF

goto Start
-----------------------------------


note: Transistor are the switches.
note2: http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/tbfrenrg.htm

Fausto.
« Last Edit: November 16, 2009, 01:46:40 AM by plengo »

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #139 on: November 16, 2009, 11:56:10 AM »
Hi All
i'm tring to replicate the tricoiler bedini based
i have written a post in this same area
can someone help me?

thanks to all

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #139 on: November 16, 2009, 11:56:10 AM »
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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #140 on: November 17, 2009, 01:33:51 AM »
Some photos of the voltage across the battery terminals. It is 0.05 volts/div. Center screen is 0 volts.

Photo 1 show this very high spike negative pulse. I think it is about 100v spike.
Photo 2 show the differential of a spike going up (using energy from the battery) and spike going down (I think energy going back to the battery). It seams that the spike going down is bigger than the one going up (which should match the fact that the battery is charging).
Photo 3 the same as photo 2 just in a different time frame.
Photo 4 the same as photo 2.
Photo 5 is a zoom of the switching ON and OFF when no spikes are happening.

All photos were taken with the camera on a stand and later I choose frames from the video taken and assembled the sequence of consecutive pictures into one photo. I used Photoshop for changing the clarity of the photos and nothing else. No manipulation of any kind. I also could have done the same with a gif assembler and have a moving picture for all but still photos are better.

I also had to increase the scope's beam intensity so that the camera would pick up the waves better so that I could put them together in photoshop.

Also current is fluctuating between 10 uAmp to 110uAmp. Circuit used is the last photo. I am not switching all of the transistor showed, only the ones presented on the code snipet. Cap C1 will be fluctuating from 44.1 volts to 44.5 volts and cycle again. Total system voltage is about 55.67 volts and increasing an average of 0.001 volts per 15 minutes or so.

Speed of PIC is set to 20 mhz but I am not really sure how fast it is repeating the code below. Strange by the scope shots is the non deterministic (at least at first) of the high pulses since the code is always the same for the whole process.

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Start:

bsf SW11           ; turn ON
bsf SW12           ; turn ON

call delay100mS ; delay for 100 mili-seconds
bcf SW12           ; turn OFF
call delay500uS  ; delay for 500 micro-seconds
bcf SW11           ; turn OFF
call delay100mS ; delay for 100 mili-seconds

bsf SW9             ; Turn ON and leave it ON forever
call delay500uS  ; delay for 500 micro-seconds

goto Start          ; repeat forever
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Fausto.
« Last Edit: November 17, 2009, 02:23:37 AM by plengo »

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #141 on: November 17, 2009, 04:28:57 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkxRNhPG2sE

Got my reeds in. They are bigger in person. Just made a shot vid to show them. Ill be trying them later.
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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #142 on: November 17, 2009, 09:50:14 AM »
Fausto,

What is the timebase of your scope shots?

Groundloop.

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #143 on: November 17, 2009, 02:03:35 PM »
Fausto,

A similar question: in your picture # 1   (1.jpg) the vertical scale is also
0.05V/DIV?
If you say it is about a 100V pulse, then the negative peak of that pulse is way down the scale, right? 

Also, in your schematics there is a 61.5V written between D1 and B2, where is that voltage? or it is irrevelant.

thanks, Gyula

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #144 on: November 17, 2009, 02:15:49 PM »
@Groundloop

the horizontal was 0.01 seconds. Vertical was 0.05 volts / div. The last scope shot was .5 pico-seconds.

@gyulasun

the voltage on the diagram is the total of 5 12.5 volts batteries at an average of 12.3 volts each battery. In reality my circuit is running at 55.7 volts. So my batteries are pretty much depleted.


Fausto.

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #145 on: November 17, 2009, 09:27:08 PM »
@all

ops i just notice I mistyped 100v instead of 10volts spike on previous post. It is 10 volts spike NOT 100 volts. Thanks to gyulasun to point that out.

Fausto.

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #146 on: November 18, 2009, 08:26:21 AM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7QIpfSX_4Q

A vid of the reed in action. I am running 2 of the big coils in parallel with my regular green one. 0.4 ohm total load, and the 4 AA are at 5.13v running.

It was just some of my first runs testing the reeds. I like them.

Next tests will be the bifi comparisons, they are 2 ohm each

Mags

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #147 on: November 18, 2009, 10:13:57 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeqXJAcLw8c
As last vid but got it going faster

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ0LYpMH41E
Added a larger polarizing mag and yet she runs even faster. Sick!!

I know top speed is not a goal here, but for now its fun. =]

Mags

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #148 on: November 18, 2009, 12:57:30 PM »

One experimentation idea is to use an "Audio Transformer" line-to-load transformer
to step up voltage pulses for charging batteries. It would allow one to have a
much higher voltage charge pulse without needing dozens of batteries to generate
the pulses via capacitors. I keep remembering an audio transformer with a lot of
closely spaced secondary taps, to kind of trim the overall volume of an independent
loudspeaker.

An audio transformer; because the frequency response would be in the 100Hz -> 30KHz
range, which it what we are talking about here, without needing a RF pulse transformer
with specialized core materials.

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #149 on: November 19, 2009, 01:54:48 AM »
@Magluvin

beautiful work. She is spinning indeed. You are totally doing Adams motor with success, I am totally impressed. Today I went to ebay and tried to buy some big reed switches too. I can barely wait to replicate your work.

How much voltage are you using to run your setup? And is this diagram still what you have? What are the magnets you are using?

Pretty cat too. I have 2 myself.

Fausto.

 

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