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Author Topic: Bedini SSG - self sustaining  (Read 133768 times)

Offline Magluvin

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #105 on: November 05, 2009, 03:13:05 AM »
Well that is so much easier. Nice job.
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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #106 on: November 05, 2009, 03:31:20 AM »
What prog did you use for that?
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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #107 on: November 05, 2009, 03:55:42 AM »
Livewire from http://www.new-wave-concepts.com/pr/livewire.html.

Is what I published your the correct design?

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« Reply #107 on: November 05, 2009, 03:55:42 AM »
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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #108 on: November 05, 2009, 04:10:09 AM »
Yes. I had started out going for adding the rotor in and I got Twister.
Thanks


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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #109 on: November 05, 2009, 05:31:17 AM »
Today I have again let my setup running continuously without interruptions and it is indeed charging the batteries as it runs.

It is by no means a great increase in voltage but it is there. I dont know if it is a ghost voltage or real but right now I dont really care. I want first see if it is even possible to have a voltage gain by simply pulsating the batteries to no load at all or minimal load (such as a cap).

I will let the system run more days and off course record all the experiment with pictures and videos. I have not been publishing videos yet simply because I want to have substantial evidence first to entice people to follow later.

My fist point of view of the phenomena is simply resonance at the ion level in the batteries. I am probably wrong but that is my feeling.

Fausto.

ps: having the desktop lamp on or off changes the final voltage reading of ALL my meters while the device is running. The lamp is a fluorescent 30watts lamp.

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #110 on: November 05, 2009, 03:43:40 PM »

ps: having the desktop lamp on or off changes the final voltage reading of ALL my meters while the device is running. The lamp is a fluorescent 30watts lamp.


Yes, If you have a circuit and let the two conductors (current flowing in each
direction) separate by a considerable distance. Then it just like have a magnetic
solenoid with one big single turn. Long fluorescent tube lamps, with one tube,
do exactly the same thing. It separates the conductors by a considerable distance.
There are also two ways to wire a dual switch utility circuit, where you can control
one light socket from two locations, and the simplest incorrect wiring forms one of
those forms big magnetic loops around a room. There is also capacitive coupling where the circuits separate.

And guess what? The bedini circuit with a free standing magnetic coil
will happily tap into those type of circuits and extract some magnetic energy from
operating utility circuits...I call this the Bedini cheat mode, It also allows Bedini
motors to tie together and share energy. This helps overunity, by giving
it a base, but needs to watched-out for during experiments. This is why
no sale-able product will have open magnetic circuits, unless it somehow
intends to communicate with other devices.

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #111 on: November 11, 2009, 04:37:08 AM »
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I have excellent news (or may be not). I have found finally after many configurations and trials what I think is the minimum "Cell" configuration where no energy is lost (except for the switching) and two SLA charges plus a cap.

I call it a cell simply because is my smallest configuration where I could charge anything simply by switching potentials while maintaining the similiarities with Tesla Switch project and this project.

My switching runs at around 800 or 10khz frequency. Both seams to behave the same. Other frequencies in the highs or lows seams to totally kill the effect. Both batteries charge at a rate of 100 of a volt per 15 minutes or so. The batteries are small 7 amp/h SLAs.

The cap is a pack of 4 10Uf in parallel or a 2200 uf cap. There seams to be no difference really for the size of the cap and the amount of charging that I could notice. Further testing must be made here.

The caps are charging at the rate of 100 of a volt per second and it slows down when it reaches 1.2 volts but still charging.

It could be what Groundloop mention about the bleeding from the optos to the transistor BUT changing the speed of the switching to very high or low frequencies seams to not help while logically I would think that faster frequencies would bleed more and charge the batteries faster but it does not happen. It has to be a specific range of frequencies (like a top of a Gaussian bell curve, two tops actually one for the 800 hz and another for the 10 khz) where the charging is the best.

So basically both batteries and the cap are charging by simply switching potentials.

The switching order is shown on the picture. The switch are NEVER switched in a way where the circuit is closed loop. It is always in a way to keep it open. So, SW1 and SW4 is ON while SW3 and SW2 is OFF and then I invert that.

I wish someone could replicate this.

Fausto.


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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #112 on: November 11, 2009, 08:57:28 AM »
Just made a new vid of something I had been meaning to try.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k_bz4nZaD4

It is a whipmag style rotor with like poles facing each other, creating N and S bubbles between the mags and running it with a reed/coil.

Nothing great but its different.

Magluvin

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #113 on: November 11, 2009, 04:25:38 PM »
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It could be what Groundloop mention about the bleeding from the optos to the transistor BUT changing the speed of the switching to very high or low frequencies seams to not help while logically I would think that faster frequencies would bleed more and charge the batteries faster but it does not happen. It has to be a specific range of frequencies (like a top of a Gaussian bell curve, two tops actually one for the 800 hz and another for the 10 khz) where the charging is the best.

Fausto.


It seems to me that DC voltage from the opto-isolator would be equivalent
to a capacitance from the input to output of the opto, which is specified
in the spec sheet effectively as being a very small capacitance. DC voltage
would seem to me to wipe out any small capacitance.


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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #114 on: November 11, 2009, 08:04:23 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXbRvIqqatI

Just a short vid explaining my reed polarizing method for using alternating poles on my rotor. I know that most bedini motors dont use reeds, but I though this may be of interest.

Mags

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #115 on: November 12, 2009, 12:05:52 AM »
@magluvin
I cannot see your video as I am at work:) but we should not underestimate the usefulness of reed switches nor contact switches. The modern electronics person would call them obsolete but they can do things modern electronics can't. I have had reed switches biased with an external magnet in in such a way that they could switch in millisecond pulses at hundreds of volts with no sparking. If properly timed in the circuit they also acted as lossless diodes with no voltage drop and can rectify an alternating current or varied DC. If the biasing and timing are perfectly tuned you cannot actually see the reed switch move as the movement is in the thousandths of an inch, as well with the small amount of motion involved they will go completely silent. Many people have commented that they were not even aware that my rotorless bedini reed circuits were even running in a perfectly quiet room. The only major drawback is that they can become disturbed if the device is moved around, but other than that I have found them superior to any electronic circuits I have built because there a basically zero losses. Imagine a switch that can last years, is silent, has no losses-no voltage drop, has no turn on/off voltage requirements, no minimum voltages, can handle AC or DC or both simultaneously and very fast rise/fall times. As always the component is only as good as the knowledge of the person operating it and people should not judge things until they fully understand them. If you pull apart a relay and use the contacts you can space the contacts down to thousandths of an inch, next glue a 1/8" neo magnet to the movable contact on the opposite side of the contact near the end. You can use 1/16th inch brass shim stock strips and solder smaller contacts to them to extend the sensitivity of the switching. In this case the length and stiffness of the brass strip can be tuned to the motor, you can have multiple switches per pass of a magnet if the contact strip length is a harmonic of the frequency of the passing magnet/rotor speed :). I have had these types of contact switches operating as far as two feet away from a bedini motor, they can be very sensitive to any changes in the magnetic fields.
Regards
AC
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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #116 on: November 12, 2009, 12:15:18 AM »
@allcanadian

well said. I totally agree !

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« Reply #117 on: November 12, 2009, 04:58:28 AM »
a quick test today revealed that "there is no bleeding" in this experiment to the extend of providing the gain. Replacing the batteries with charged up front cap WILL NOT run the circuit in gain mode but in loss mode.

No changing frequency can either accelerate or de-accelerate the discharging rate. Caps will simply go to almost zero and stop there.

Batteries on the contrary will charge up, both of them. Now, the rate of charge is not very impressive but promising if this is scalable. I will try different voltage levels, like 100v or higher, to see if that makes the gain relatively proportional or geometrical (I wish) or exponential (I am really dreaming) or linear (that sucks).

Nonethless, this circuit seams to be behaving in a way that sounds like Bearden talking about his "dupped" copper wire where he can cut it before the current reaches the end and "close the loop" (for those that knows what I am talking about).

Another observation I must make is this: Switching only voltages and avoiding current sounds a lot like voltage and current out of phase where some call "virtual power" or "not-active power" or "reactive power". So what I am doing here is simply that with a 180 degrees absolute phase reactive power, virtually 0 power but still charging the batteries AND the cap.

Is it possible to convert this kind of "reactive power" into "real power" without forcing current to flow FROM the source??? I am forced to believe the answer to be YES and this experiment is showing that it is ( in my opinion until someone, please, show me the correct way to see this and correct me too - no pun intended ) although the power that I am having now is ridiculous but it is real.


Fausto.

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #118 on: November 12, 2009, 05:56:44 AM »
Well I suppose I made it sound like I had something against using reeds, sorry if it came out that way.
Really, I was fascinated by the thought of it once I had seen it done. I ordered some larger reeds on ebay last Friday, they should be here this week.
They are GE DR 113, 25 for $12 shipped. Had to give them a go for that price. They dont make them any more, he said they are about 20 years old but new and in excellent condition. These are huge, 2.5 in glass tube. I have to research to try and find data on them.  I cant say they are going to be great or anything yet, But I will have fun finding out.
Anyway, thanks for your info on your experience with them AC, all great ideas to absorb.
Mags

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Re: Bedini SSG - self sustaining
« Reply #119 on: November 12, 2009, 06:45:48 PM »
@Magluvin

hey my friend. No offence from me at all. I liked what alcadian said about the reeds and what you found too. Good work my friend.

Can you share the link to Ebay to those huge reed switches you mention?

Fausto.

 

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