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Author Topic: Karl Palsness Hairpin circuit  (Read 50336 times)

forest

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Re: Karl Palsness Hairpin circuit
« Reply #30 on: January 24, 2010, 11:18:17 AM »
well, I have been thinking about the Hairpin now for some time. I see the analogy to a laser. You create a standing wave in the resonator and out comes a different form of energy. I have seen other demonstrations where they lit a 120 V/100W halogen bulb on a hair thin wire across the room with the hairpin. Is this just RF? for the filament to glow this bright you need AMPS.
The hairpin is different from the lecher line. This is usually demonstrated by using semiconductors or a small solid state transmitter as the input. Tesla used the stuff available to him at the time- spark gaps and " brute force". A spark gap is a broad band emitter. the fact that the spark intensifies shows that the energy is reflected in the hairpin circuit and back thru the spark gap. Let me make the connection to Hector torrez (the rotoverter guy) who says that Radiant is RF - created in a resonator with a standing wave where voltage and current are out of phase. this is the effect happening in the hairpin- you get voltage and current nodes - so far nothing exotic- but what is the nature of the energy in these nodes? can there be voltage without current or just current without voltage? what will happen when one applies this energy to a water cell for instance?
I think the hairpin is  probably the easiest way to create larger amounts of RE. Correct me if I'm wrong- I'm just a layman, but I'd like to know more about this.
BTW: I work in a theater where we use Thyristor dimmers. Years ago we had problems when we connected only a small load to the dimmer the thyristor would burn out. could this because the leads make up a transmission line, the energy gets reflected back into the circuit instead of being used at the end of the line. You have caps and a choke coil as parts of the dimmer, and the way the dimmer works is to turn off the power at a certain point and then turn it on again. This makes for sharp edges of the waveform and a lot of harmonics....so all the ingredients are there...why should a 2 kilowatt thyristor with TWO fuses in both lines burn out when the load is not strong enough??

Two questions:
1. Were those problems persistent with that small load of random ?
2. How did you eliminate those problems ?

sparks

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Re: Karl Palsness Hairpin circuit
« Reply #31 on: January 24, 2010, 02:06:18 PM »
       Voltage is not the same thing as charge seperation.  Charge seperation induces currents which when resisted gives rise to voltage.  An electrical current moves through space between poles.  It is relavent to other such currents flowing through space.  This is cold current.  It is the current that is flowing between nodes and antinodes of a standing wave.
It is the current that is flowing in a concentrated or focused stream when you touch a door knob.  It was flowing when you were across the room from the doornob also.  You didnt feel it because it was flowing out of you in all directions towards other charge poles.  When you moved towards that door knob the flow became focused or concentrated between that one scource of radiant energy.  If you look at yourself with the proper lenses we have an aura about us.  This shows the radiant energy flowing about our mass which forms a resistance to this radiant energy and a coronal discharge from every bit of mass that resists this current.  Hot current is when we move charged mass cold current is always there for the taking.

ramset

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Re: Karl Palsness Hairpin circuit
« Reply #32 on: January 24, 2010, 02:32:07 PM »
Sparks
Listening to you a long time.

I used to think,

Transmit> receive> Use

Starting to think it will be.

Receive> Use

Chet

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Actually think this is how its supposed to be.

PPS
On a side note
How come the OOONNLY place I can go and see a one hundred year old device that is still considered "state of the art"
Is The Niagara power plant??
My freakin cell phone is obsolete before I dial it!!

albert

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Re: Karl Palsness Hairpin circuit
« Reply #33 on: January 27, 2010, 06:54:30 PM »
Let me reply to the questions about our dimmer problems.
the effect came up repeatedly. We solved the problem by attaching 60 W lights in parallel to the channels we use for practical lighting on the stage. Those might be used with small loads. With the other channels we had no problems.

Back to the Hairpin circuit: No one has been able to explain to me so far what is happening in the current or voltage node of the hairpin circuit. We know the current and voltage are out of phase. How this can make a quartz light burn brightly without any amps going thru the wires is still a mystery to me. Sorry your answer has put up more questions for me.


forest

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Re: Karl Palsness Hairpin circuit
« Reply #34 on: January 27, 2010, 08:13:19 PM »
Let me reply to the questions about our dimmer problems.
the effect came up repeatedly. We solved the problem by attaching 60 W lights in parallel to the channels we use for practical lighting on the stage. Those might be used with small loads. With the other channels we had no problems.

Back to the Hairpin circuit: No one has been able to explain to me so far what is happening in the current or voltage node of the hairpin circuit. We know the current and voltage are out of phase. How this can make a quartz light burn brightly without any amps going thru the wires is still a mystery to me. Sorry your answer has put up more questions for me.

My thought is that your thyristor circuit was working on resonant condition and that was the resonance exactly which Tesla found. Power was accumulated on each step so it goes beyond thyristor capabilities and burned them. Bulbs probably changed resistance of circuit and resonant frequency changed.
It's a "blind man guess" however ;-)

Anyway ,EVERY anomaly is VERY important to analyse ! That is the source of knowledge.If you can find a circuit of that dimmer I'm sure we all would learn something.

albert

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Re: Karl Palsness Hairpin circuit
« Reply #35 on: January 29, 2010, 10:33:56 AM »
Unfortunately I don't have a circuit design of the dimmers in question, we would like to get that ourselves, the system we use was handbuilt in the Seventies....but I had the same effect on more recent dimmers, too. I don't know if it's an energetic anomaly or simply an effect in the semiconductor when there is not enough current in the TRIAC to make it "hold" in the open position. when the next pulse comes, it goes BOOM....might be that.
But we had another interesting effect - the cutting of the phase in the dimmers drove some transformers into saturation. when a dimmer is not certified for inductive load, you get resonant effects between the dimmer and the metal core of the transformer. The transformer would start a deep 50 hertz hum and then burn out. ferro-resonance? possibly. These normally avoided limit conditions are  the effects we should look for.

sparks

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Re: Karl Palsness Hairpin circuit
« Reply #36 on: January 29, 2010, 02:46:48 PM »
    Tesla referred to the fast discharge of a capacitor as creating pressure.  Not voltage or current or anything like that just pressure.  And those wires hanging overhead are referred to by the old timers as high tension wires.  Tension and pressure.  Does a conductor actually change its physical form between different states of charge?  Something makes that annoying buzz.  I can hear one right now from the transformer for this hear computer.

gmeast

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Re: Karl Palsness Hairpin circuit
« Reply #37 on: March 15, 2010, 01:09:23 AM »
Hi all,

I have not read this entire thread so forgive me.  The bottom line to me when it comes to OU, Radiant Energy, Zero Point and so forth is:

...the efficiency of something like the Hairpin Circuit as used in, for example, lighting.

It is impressive to be able to hold onto the 'hairpin rods', submerge an incandescent lamp in water, light a 120 VAC Halogen lamp 30 ft away via some #38 wire, etc.  But:

What is the cost to do that?  OR  For the same 'lumens' or similar rating, (let's include white leds also), what's the wattage 'in' versus the equivalent work 'out'?  What's the power usage of one of those HV generators use for the spark gap?  Can you use as little energy with a hairpin circuit as you can powering an LED array conventionally - for the same light?

If it is less power required - then it is less power required.  Enough said. 

It is not important to be able to close the loop because you are comparing apples 'in' to oranges 'out' of the system (assuming apples and oranges have the same calories - energy content)  If you are putting in 10 apples but getting 20 oranges out, then that's fine.  And it's also 'fine' if 10 of those oranges come from local sources and the rest of the 20 oranges come from ZP, Aether, the "seething" vacuum, whatever.

What is the efficiency?  Does anyone know?  Does anyone care?

Greg

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Re: Karl Palsness Hairpin circuit
« Reply #38 on: March 15, 2010, 08:35:36 AM »
Hello,

I have replicated most effects of hairping circuit using my Kacher or solid state Tesla coil that creates smooth resonance. i have reported my findings in energeticforum.com.
Especially the bulb-lighting under the water is not radiant at all. It is a standard effect of the high frequency electricity (500Khz here). http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/4960-donald-l-smith-11.html#post85090 (photo of an halogene bulb in water and my hand in it.)

i think these bizzare demos are easily characterized "radiant" from those who do not know.
Actually i have asked Paulsness about the coil he suggested in 2009 presentation that created free energy.
Not reply yet :)

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Re: Karl Palsness Hairpin circuit
« Reply #39 on: March 15, 2010, 06:41:03 PM »
Here are original Tesla's circuits for making scalar wave or longitudinal voltage. Depending how high voltage and how high frequency you will get longitudinal voltage on T - T measured in volts per meter (V/m)

sparks

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Re: Karl Palsness Hairpin circuit
« Reply #40 on: March 17, 2010, 02:28:24 AM »
   On the diagram we have a generator powering what appears to be the primary of a transformer.  Do we have any idea as to what the heck is going on with the generator and primary of the transformer.  Does the generator put out dc ac what frequency what impedance does the primary of the transformer present to the current produced by the generator.  How much current are we looking at through what appears to be a pretty hefty primary.  Are there any power reflection issues whereby the generator is taking up energy as well as giving it out.  This would appear to be the apples in part of the circuit.  What does happen when a highfrequency output encounters an infinite impedance to its progression through a circuit.   Somehow the voltage that was at the generator terminals appears at the choke terminals without any current flowing that I am aware of.

MrMag

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Re: Karl Palsness Hairpin circuit
« Reply #41 on: March 17, 2010, 04:08:56 AM »
   On the diagram we have a generator powering what appears to be the primary of a transformer.  Do we have any idea as to what the heck is going on with the generator and primary of the transformer.  Does the generator put out dc ac what frequency what impedance does the primary of the transformer present to the current produced by the generator.  How much current are we looking at through what appears to be a pretty hefty primary.  Are there any power reflection issues whereby the generator is taking up energy as well as giving it out.  This would appear to be the apples in part of the circuit.  What does happen when a highfrequency output encounters an infinite impedance to its progression through a circuit.   Somehow the voltage that was at the generator terminals appears at the choke terminals without any current flowing that I am aware of.

Your kidding right ?

slapper

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Re: Karl Palsness Hairpin circuit
« Reply #42 on: March 17, 2010, 05:53:26 AM »
On Fig 4 tell me where the primary and where the secondary is at on the first transformer.

Take care.

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Re: Karl Palsness Hairpin circuit
« Reply #43 on: March 17, 2010, 01:24:56 PM »
How come you can not see connection between this Karl Palsness Hairpin circuit and Edwin Gray's COLD ELECTRICITY and Tesla's scalar wave or longitudnal voltage?? It's same thing, it will not kill you, but it may cure you ;)

MrMag

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Re: Karl Palsness Hairpin circuit
« Reply #44 on: March 17, 2010, 02:15:12 PM »
George Lakhovski figured it out.