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Author Topic: Wind Turbine Competitor Steps in well maybe? Enter Wind Pipe  (Read 19218 times)

Offline infringer

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Wind Turbine Competitor Steps in well maybe? Enter Wind Pipe
« on: August 19, 2009, 01:45:05 AM »
here is a picture of the device
http://www.green-energy-news.com/Resources/windpipetall.jpeg

John R. Tuttle, President of John R. Tuttle Inc. (JRTI) has invented a new kind of wind energy converter which he thinks will, eventually, replace wind turbine generators as we know them. It’s quite a bit different. Tuttle’s WindPipe (tm) has no long churning blades or propeller and no rotating power generator hidden in a nacelle. In fact, so he says, the WindPipe wind energy converter has no rotating parts at all. For now he won’t say how it works but it’s what’s inside that pipe that counts.

uttle also says power output in the WindPipe starts building at about 7 miles per hour of wind speed and climbs from there. There is no cut out wind speed. (Well, unless the WindPipe gets destroyed in a bad storm.) Vertical towers, if that’s the choice of installation, are light and easily raised up to 120 feet with a crane. All the electrical components and connections are at the bottom keeping maintenance costs low. Since there are no whirling blades WindPipes can be spaced close together. And if you’re getting the picture, the WindPipe doesn’t kill birds. And the cost of power from the WindPipe? Tuttle says “Above 14 mph, the technology is expected to produce energy from 3 to 10 times cheaper than turbines —from $3.30 per MWh to $0.3 per MWh, compared to the $10 per MWh of modern turbine wind towers.” The next step for JRTI is to build a 9 meter (30 foot) tall unit that can be expected to produce 900 watts of power in a 22 miles per hour breeze. At a stormy 44 miles per hour the unit could put out as much as 9 kilowatts. The production prototype should also be prettier, in white fiberglass, and be more streamlined. The wind capture end (that horn) will be about 3 meters, almost 10 feet in diameter.

Source: http://www.windpipenews.com/About_Us.html

Whats inside and how does it work? No coils no magnets hrmmm...

Any Takers?

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Re: Wind Turbine Competitor Steps in well maybe? Enter Wind Pipe
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2009, 01:29:56 AM »
I believe I cracked this design and how it works ingenious really cannot believe I did not think of it myself!

There is no spinning generator that is the biggest clue!

Too Sweet I'm going to have to figure out how to build this sucker.

-infringer-
« Last Edit: August 20, 2009, 02:11:14 AM by infringer »

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Re: Wind Turbine Competitor Steps in well maybe? Enter Wind Pipe
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2009, 05:24:26 PM »
You mean the pipe itself spins, along a coil?

Or simply using the pressure difference to place the generate on the ground rather than on the mast, with a similarly shaped exit nozzle perhaps? Such a nozzle would suck a bit of a vacume on the other side, right? Hmmm...

I have always wondered why windmills are just standalone props, no attempts made to channel more airflow into them that they naturally meet by their surface area. In high-tech prop technology, to get optimal directional thrust, aren't props often contained in a cilinder?

High-speed air flow might also drive a heat exchange apparatus.

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Re: Wind Turbine Competitor Steps in well maybe? Enter Wind Pipe
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2009, 11:15:05 PM »
Thanks for that belt video link. Makes me remember the elastic bands I usd to have on my bicycle's handlebars. They'd zoom nicely.
I suppose it conforms to "no moving parts"...

Would you place the belt paralel to the air flow through the tube behind the cone?
Also, would you rate a 1 sq.meter cone and one belt as more effient than a 1 sq.meter "window" with all the bands, in various orientations and even layers, that will fit?

I love wind energy ideas. I'm Dutch, so it's a bit in my blood. And today, I enjoyed a nice tail draft when hurricane like weather was forecast.

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Re: Wind Turbine Competitor Steps in well maybe? Enter Wind Pipe
« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2009, 04:34:30 AM »
Not what I envision..

I will give up what I envision but with all the cleaver minds I am looking for a guess...
It is soooo simplistic and makes tons of since.

It becomes an epiphany when you understand the design maybe he is using a wind belt but I believe it is way easier...

Come on folks put in your guesses.

What I would like to see come out of this thread is a complete design from start to finish and an open source guide to making your own wind pipe!

And with the very low amount of posts and the lack of interest in wind "working proven tech" I don't know if it is worth giving the design I have in mind away...

Post if your interested I wanna see some interest!.

Hint there are no props in the pipe but it is where all the "magic" happens!

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Re: Wind Turbine Competitor Steps in well maybe? Enter Wind Pipe
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2009, 11:15:16 AM »
Not what I envision..

I will give up what I envision but with all the cleaver minds I am looking for a guess...
It is soooo simplistic and makes tons of since.

It becomes an epiphany when you understand the design maybe he is using a wind belt but I believe it is way easier...

Come on folks put in your guesses.

What I would like to see come out of this thread is a complete design from start to finish and an open source guide to making your own wind pipe!

And with the very low amount of posts and the lack of interest in wind "working proven tech" I don't know if it is worth giving the design I have in mind away...

Post if your interested I wanna see some interest!.

Hint there are no props in the pipe but it is where all the "magic" happens!


ok, i will try it! ;D

the pipe akts like an air pump. the incomeing pressur press down a piston till a opening in the cylindric wall. the pressure collapses and the piston is pull up again to the next cycle.

also i could think of the Bernoulli Venturi principple.
« Last Edit: August 23, 2009, 11:52:24 AM by rensseak »

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Re: Wind Turbine Competitor Steps in well maybe? Enter Wind Pipe
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2009, 11:59:06 AM »
@ Infinger

I am not a killjoy but it so boring to guess about the claims of somebody.
If you want to reveal you secret do it otherwise don't waste our time.
 >:( >:( >:(

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Re: Wind Turbine Competitor Steps in well maybe? Enter Wind Pipe
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2009, 12:48:49 PM »
Sorry to be off topic, but I think you missed my warning posted on the other thread

Hi infringer
The price of solar panels could fall by as much as 40 per cent by the end of the year
http://climateprogress.org/2009/02/24/solar-panel-prices-to-fall-by-up-to-40-per-cent-by-year-end/
Having looked at your site your  prices are not attractive
 I have just bought a 220w solar panel for $800 approximately from UK eBay
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/220-watts-solar-panel_W0QQitemZ160354707409QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Gadgets?hash=item2555e2a7d1&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
 I also found  a different seller selling a 200w panel at about the same price
 so that prices have already started to fall   
 I hope you read the warning and find a way out of this potential problem
all the best
 cat

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Re: Wind Turbine Competitor Steps in well maybe? Enter Wind Pipe
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Re: Wind Turbine Competitor Steps in well maybe? Enter Wind Pipe
« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2009, 04:33:31 PM »
@Infringer,

With "no moving parts" generator the only thing I could come up with is some form of electrostatic pickup.

Something along these lines:

Electrostatic energy generators
http://www.google.com/patents?id=Y4MVAAAAEBAJ

http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=bTVhAAAAEBAJ

http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=bQksAAAAEBAJ

http://www.google.com/patents?id=DTs4AAAAEBAJ

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Re: Wind Turbine Competitor Steps in well maybe? Enter Wind Pipe
« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2009, 04:48:32 PM »
Hi,

As far as I can see it doesn't say that there are no moving parts.....

It reads:  Because of the simplicity of design, and elimination of rotating components, the new wind towers are expected to have three times the useful life of a wind turbine generator.

So probably there are moving parts, just no rotating ones....

regards,

Dutchy

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Re: Wind Turbine Competitor Steps in well maybe? Enter Wind Pipe
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Re: Wind Turbine Competitor Steps in well maybe? Enter Wind Pipe
« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2009, 05:16:10 PM »
Hi,

As far as I can see it doesn't say that there are no moving parts.....

It reads:  Because of the simplicity of design, and elimination of rotating components, the new wind towers are expected to have three times the useful life of a wind turbine generator.

So probably there are moving parts, just no rotating ones....

Thanks Dutchy for the clarification.

@Infringer which generating tech would it be closest too  ???
RF?
Electrostatic?
Linear/Mechanical generator?
Piezoelectric?
Sound/vibration/pressure?
Solar/Thermal?
Nuclear?  ;)
Plasma?
Tube full of split ring resonators?
any others?

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Re: Wind Turbine Competitor Steps in well maybe? Enter Wind Pipe
« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2009, 03:13:26 AM »
I will build it soon most likely...

It does consist of coils and magnets I am glad to see others are reading this.

Cylinder mags sit in the tube flipped so that the magnets have a space due to the repelling force of the magnets so the magnets are the moving part so to speak... The coils I am unfamiliar with how to go about putting the coils but... For those of you who want to ride along with me I will tell you I have only a few things on order right now no where near the complete setup.


Anyways as the air blows in there is a pressure element and all the cylinder mags bounce moving through the coils like a giant shaker flashlight "induction"

This is great enough in principal for me to test it.

I have ordered 3/16" acrylic rod.
And 6 cylinder magnets with a 1/4" hole in the middle 100lbs of pull force I am hoping this will do the trick but I may need to use something like 1/8 steel I am not sure really 100% but to me this seemed like an epiphany moment when I thought of it.

I hope this is not a let down and I have not wasted anyone's time here and if I have ruffled any feathers or wasted time I am sorry.

but this is the design it all just popped into my head just how the hell can he do this and generate significant electricity ...

Challanges:

How to wind and place the coils in the tube ...

How to make the air inlet possibly rubber made dish with an elbow....

But then how do I make the bearing assembly for it so that it spins freely but yet catches a significant amount of air.

How do we distribute the air best two pipes one inside the other ...

Basically this device is somewhat like the wave generators now that I think of it I almost wonder if that is not what brought this idea to him.

Anyhow I am up for improvement ideas if anyone cares to chime in but a magnet through a coil is a sound proven principal for generation we just need the rest of the design to follow the thought concept.

Who knows I could be entirely wrong and he could use a wind belt or a piston but I don't see it as possible given the current photo this is the only thing that makes mechanical sense to me.

Thank You for your time and patience and interest in this project.

Cats out of the bag is it worth catching you be the judge but I think we could make this generator with ease I would love to see an open source guide for this so that each and every person could make this device with ease no big special tools no expensive machines or anything something anyone could do from there home!

This is my vision.

Weather or not it is the way his design works I do not know but just seems logical to me that it may just prove useful.

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Re: Wind Turbine Competitor Steps in well maybe? Enter Wind Pipe
« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2009, 08:56:50 AM »
Hmmm, not sure I'm smart enough to understand, but look forward to your build :-)

I also don't understand how great compression or acceleration or air is to be expected without a second cone at the back, to decompress the air. I don't see how airflow is maximized before we're going tap in on it's inertia. O well.

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Re: Wind Turbine Competitor Steps in well maybe? Enter Wind Pipe
« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2009, 06:09:39 PM »
Hi,

  The first challenge I see from this design is keeping the open end of the funnel into the wind. It will naturally point small end first into the wind, this will cause a negative pressure in the pipe. To get positive air flow through the pipe you will need to steer the open end of the funnel in to the wind using some sort of a tail, but from the picture there is no type of steering device so maybe he is using the negative air flow.

I have worked on porting racecar cylinder heads for years and I know that there is a lot of potential to increase the volume and velocity of air through a pipe. Some small aerodynamic changes can increase airflow dramatically.

But what does the air do to create electricity, that's the question.

 

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