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robbosdog

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Stan Myers resonance and the ion state of water
« on: August 16, 2009, 04:11:10 AM »
Hi All

Just had a thought , this Stan Myers resonance thing , I think I have stumbled onto the/a  trick .

See attached Graph.


As we are performing electrolysis on water it’s resonant frequency will change as the ion states move and the temp changes , it you had a meter ( orp meter ) feeding the info into  an alternator / generator you could spin it at the right speed to make the right Hz to match the water , this could explain why things work for a while and stop , we need to fit in with the current/dynamic  state of the water and not a fixed value.

Do you think this has any merit ? ,  I’m useless at electronics and need you all to have a think about it .

Regards ,

Prophmaji

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Re: Stan Myers resonance and the ion state of water
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2009, 04:59:10 PM »
this is why 42khz ultrasonic sealers have feedback control systems -in order to maintain efficiency. The frequency deviation is not great, it is typically 1.5khz on either side of the 42kz number. The 42khz number for ultrasonic sealers is used as this frequency has been found to have the best capacity for the ultrasonics to penetrate the water which is the most frequent material in the given fluid in the given tube or whatnot...that may be stuck between the two layers of plastic that may be attempted to be sealed, by the given ultrasonic sealer.

I was given this information directly by an engineer for the largest and  highest quality ultrasonic sealing company device manufacturer in the world.

This information only goes toward sealing,and not toward what is attempted here. A simple feedback frequency and wave change system based on the recorded voltage fluctuations would be more than enough to solve this issue. Something very much like the feedback control system for a audio amplifier, ie, slow and measuring DC offset.

In this case, making the voltage differential  (in the components of the system) from the reference ....to be output as a frequency change, voltage change... and possibly waveform change.

Kinda like altering the choke position on a car engine that is warming up. there, you have  a start and run position for the choke and fuel/air mixture. Same deal here.

In this case the feedback controls the frequency, waveform, and voltage.

Be smart-build a cut off. Design by hand, at first, but like the throttle on a car, don't leave it as automatic without a cut off or safety.

sparks

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Re: Stan Myers resonance and the ion state of water
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2009, 07:17:43 AM »
   If we create a standing wave field in the water we conserve great amounts of energy.  If the water is viewed as part of a radio transmitting antennae we want to create the worse case sceanario as far as transmitting radio waves.  We want our radio waves to reach the end of the antennae and be totally reflected back to the oscillator.  The standing wave field will set up nodes within the "antennae" and coaxial feed lines which will interact with the hydrogen oxygen bonds. 
The inductance and capacitance of the water will change so there needs to be some sort of ranging,feedback, and tweaking as the water changes it's capacitance and inductance.  Whats peculiar about water is that the electrons are forced towards one end of the molecule.  This polarized molecule is quite unique and may lend itself to alignment with an electric field whereby any thermal energy of the molecules converts into a more ordered movement of charge carriers and seeming overunity electrical currents when it is just conversion of thermal energy to electrical.

dankie

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Re: Stan Myers resonance and the ion state of water
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2009, 03:09:15 AM »
Well I disagree , I dont view this as scalar or anything , we want to minimize relection .

The tuning part is touchy and requires skill , there is two ways to go here , either have a sense coi l method or the puharich method . Some people say he was using a varactor , well thats possible but theres no much info on varactors , but if we can somehow calculate a perfectly well tuned diode for XL= XC according to our voltage drop than it would be a self-tuning . But I think this is infact a home-made component , Puharich certainly had that knowledge .

I personally dont know anything about varactors or puharichs "resonance sensing resistor" , he was a pretty technicaally oriented guy to say the least . It does look like a very simple solution but alas I dont know how he did it , it was one of his "best kept secrets" .

I prefer the sense coil method that Meyer was using . If resonance occurs than voltage will be boosted , I can build a logic for that simple purpose . In fact , I already layed the ground work for that .

sparks

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Re: Stan Myers resonance and the ion state of water
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2009, 03:42:44 AM »
  @Dankie

    Then I suspect that you believe Stan was using the water as an electrolyte and the cells as the plates of the capacitor?  If this is the case then all we need to do is sense the capacitance of the water and adjust the inductance of the coils so as to keep things resonant.  Of course there is the resitance of the rlc network and the resistor you referred to does the trick within pretty tight component parameters.  Tap water could be all over the place so a more active control system may be in order.  Resonance alone does not get us energy but does allow us to accumulate energy in a system.  If the system is able to cause a displacement current like when a capacitor is charging then you have scalar waves in play whether you like it or not.  If these scalar waves cancel any water produced oscillations then the water itself is the scource of the energy that causes it to split.  This could be what Stan refers to as the resonance of water.  So now we need to determine what that would be.

dankie

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Re: Stan Myers resonance and the ion state of water
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2009, 04:13:29 AM »
  @Dankie

    Then I suspect that you believe Stan was using the water as an electrolyte and the cells as the plates of the capacitor?  If this is the case then all we need to do is sense the capacitance of the water and adjust the inductance of the coils so as to keep things resonant.  Of course there is the resitance of the rlc network and the resistor you referred to does the trick within pretty tight component parameters.  Tap water could be all over the place so a more active control system may be in order.  Resonance alone does not get us energy but does allow us to accumulate energy in a system.  If the system is able to cause a displacement current like when a capacitor is charging then you have scalar waves in play whether you like it or not.  If these scalar waves cancel any water produced oscillations then the water itself is the scource of the energy that causes it to split.  This could be what Stan refers to as the resonance of water.  So now we need to determine what that would be.

I am doing a hybrid of Puharich and Stephen Meyers hydroxyl refilling patent . I know Stephen  is the real deal now that Xogen  received come goverment backing and financing  , I may add a high point sensing coil on the transformer . I made a three phase oscillator that can be used as single phase . All phases can be transformed to higher voltages and connected .

I will just research both , their methods have a common denominator , a sine oscillator  . Puharich was more "raw" and less researched than Stan's brother IMO , he was using the ceramics capacitance and some complicated cell , Stephen was using triplen tubes with an impedance matching crossover signal with some typical LC ringing effect .

I do think that scalar is an understimated and still not well understood term and will ignore your theory for now .

HeairBear

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Re: Stan Myers resonance and the ion state of water
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2009, 07:05:49 AM »
A mashup of quotes...

Quote
Resonant Propagation

Liberated oxygen atoms and other dissolved air gases submerged in water
bath undergo and experience similar Energy Pumping Action (aperture oscillation) of
there respective Energy Aperture when exposed to voltage stimulation

These highly energized and liberated water bath atoms, now, causes Resonant Action to occur at
a progressive rate during continued voltage stimulation ... giving way to the following operational
parameters of hydrogen gas production for energy utilization from natural water:

Resonant Action (point of particle oscillation) occurs when applied pulse voltage
frequency is adjusted to "tune-in" to the Dielectric Resonance of water via
voltage Intensifier Circuit; whereas. applied voltage amplitude which is independent of
Resonance Frequency is adjusted to cause water bath atoms to momentarily enter into
Liquid-to-gas ionization state .... ejecting negative charged electrons …forming positive
charged atoms having missing electrons ... forming negative charged atoms by electrons capture.

Compounding Action (deflection of electrical charged particles) by way of voltage
stimulation aids Resonant Action by superimposing particle impact onto to the Electrical
Polarization Process.

sparks

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Re: Stan Myers resonance and the ion state of water
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2009, 01:50:00 PM »
   Scaler is just when the polidial and magnetic field response are "moving" in a unified time frame.  They aren't out of phase.  The displacement current isn't electron movement it is the current that flows between two points of opposite polarity.  This current displaces the ambient magnetic field tension or torsion in phase with the changing electric field polarization. There is no defined frequency for a scaler wave passing through a vacuum because there is no phase relativity or time related parameters.  When a scaler wave meets mass it busts down into transverse waves as the photons of the scaler wave are absorbed reflected refracted compressed rarified etc.  The space between the neucleus and the electron is filled with scaler waves as the electron continually changes position relative to the neucleus.  This continually alters the electric field between the two masses and a continous displacement current flows between the two.  In other words this space is filled with photon energy.  When an electron is caused to change it's position relative to the neucleus by an outside force the photon energy density contained within this field is altered.  Either radiating some of the photons or absorbing photons from surrounding photon fields.  eg Light emitting diode.

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Re: Stan Myers resonance and the ion state of water
« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2009, 07:11:32 PM »
Sparks you are talking in chinese , like you always do .

Show me your experiments and I'll stop ignoring you , like I always do .