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BEP

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Re: Back to Basics
« Reply #45 on: August 14, 2009, 04:48:55 AM »
There is a little more to the Wheatstone experiment than just two sparks and three gaps.  He was able to measure the velocity at 288,000 miles per second.  This is 1.54 times 186,000 miles per second.  As some of you may recall, Tesla also measured this velocity (or something very close to it) for longitudinal waves.  I don;t recall anyone eery bringing this up before, but several people have mentioned that something flows or propagates from each side of the circuit.  See attached.

On the magnet in a tube, it falls at an angle if the tube is slit.  I can't recall what the explanation was for this.

Wheatstone was a true genius. He should have won some kind of prize using the mirror as he did.

The average speed of a moving spatial charge? About c*1.625. re: Borderlands and the professor/student group that dropped off the planet after they submitted a paper with confirming experiments a couple of years ago.

Current being two entwined opposite forces..... Yes sir!

I don't know what you were told on the magnet falling on a slit tube but....

It falls on an angle because...

Lets say the tube is a wooden rod instead.

If that rod is perfectly vertical the magnet will have a different angle depending upon the test location (North or South hemisphere) and which magnet pole is facing down. One pole down the magnet will try to right itself to the Earth's magnetic field. The other pole down the magnet will tend to fall the same angle it was released.

Kind of the same reason I think early TPUs liked to work spin-up vs. spin-down and reverse when tried in the other hemisphere.

My guess is the output polarity was also reversed in the Southern hemisphere.

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Re: Back to Basics
« Reply #46 on: August 14, 2009, 05:46:18 AM »
Wheatstone was a true genius. He should have won some kind of prize using the mirror as he did.

The average speed of a moving spatial charge? About c*1.625. re: Borderlands and the professor/student group that dropped off the planet after they submitted a paper with confirming experiments a couple of years ago.

Current being two entwined opposite forces..... Yes sir!

I don't know what you were told on the magnet falling on a slit tube but....

It falls on an angle because...

Lets say the tube is a wooden rod instead.

If that rod is perfectly vertical the magnet will have a different angle depending upon the test location (North or South hemisphere) and which magnet pole is facing down. One pole down the magnet will try to right itself to the Earth's magnetic field. The other pole down the magnet will tend to fall the same angle it was released.

Kind of the same reason I think early TPUs liked to work spin-up vs. spin-down and reverse when tried in the other hemisphere.

My guess is the output polarity was also reversed in the Southern hemisphere.

There have been a few groups that dropped out of sight after showing "too much" progress in the last 3 decades. 

On the slit pipe experiment:
http://www.16pi2.com/eddy_currents.htm

I agree that reversing spin direction would reverse lead polarity.

The rotating stuff probably couples to magnetic fields in an unusual way...

 ;)

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Re: Back to Basics
« Reply #47 on: August 14, 2009, 07:43:10 PM »
The magnetic field could also take on a form of a torus around a conductor.  The virtual particles being accelerated on the inner diameter.  Like a smoke ring where the current through the eye of the torus accelerates the torroidal shell currents. Friction accelerates the particles on the inside of the Torus which increases the torroidal shell current velocity.  Reverse the current through the eye of the torus and the torridal shell currents are now resisted and the torus disintegrates. The magnetic torroidal acceleration can also provide for the effect we call inductance.  The torroid taking energy to form into it's inertial framework and then giving this energy back as the torroidal currents wind down.  Now superimpose two of these torroids with opposing torroidal shell currents and the magnetic field seems to disappear. Space the conductors with opposing tcurrents just far enough apart like in a bifilar arrangement where the outer torroid currents interfere.  They interefere in such a manner as to allow energy transfer from one torrus to the next very quickly.  An acceleration of the say outer torrus virtual partical velocity loops it's way through the torroidal matrix and reaches the inner turn torroid faster than the electrical current can travel through the length of the coil wire .  Much like torque increase on a loaded gear train appearing pretty quick on the output shaft torque.  The input energy if not drawn from bifilar coil (tesla's pancake coil/energy capacitor)  the initial input energy is stored as the entire magnetic currents of the matrix stepup a notch due to the input.  The magnetic current reaching the inner torroid then reflectikng right back to the outer.

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Re: Back to Basics
« Reply #48 on: August 15, 2009, 06:49:05 AM »
Wow already another 5 pages added to the Grumpy mess...this is going fast.

Let's see ,What is the result so far?


 probably


Probably?? isn't good enough ,so if there is anybody not going to get it, it will be you  :)

When are you people going to realize that adding posts to these threads isn't going to deliver working models?
This is going on for so long and the result is hundred,thousants of posts in various threads and all with the outcome 0.

I don't think people really want to build these things, i think they only want to talk and speculate.
Sad story...
M.

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Re: Back to Basics
« Reply #49 on: August 15, 2009, 07:29:57 AM »
Wow already another 5 pages added to the Grumpy mess...this is going fast.

Let's see ,What is the result so far?

Probably?? isn't good enough ,so if there is anybody not going to get it, it will be you  :)

When are you people going to realize that adding posts to these threads isn't going to deliver working models?
This is going on for so long and the result is hundred,thousants of posts in various threads and all with the outcome 0.

I don't think people really want to build these things, i think they only want to talk and speculate.
Sad story...
M.

Marco,  once again you prove that you just don't get it.  Do you think my posts are just idle speculation?  Perhaps you just can read, or you have a learning disability.

Much of what I post is meant to be read by people that never post.  Not by you or anyone else that talks out the side of their head.  The rest is to make people think.  If you want a "how to" guide - write your own.

By the way, you won't get funding if you can't get it to work.  Seems fate has as sense of irony.

Just because people do not show these things, does not mean they are not "building".   You talk about "building", but what have you shown that works?  Not a damn thing, and you would be smart to keep it that way.

Do you think that nothing happens outside the web?  LOL! 

Keep thinking that...



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Re: Back to Basics
« Reply #50 on: August 15, 2009, 08:20:41 AM »

 Do you think my posts are just idle speculation? 


They are.


 If you want a "how to" guide - write your own.


I am actually doing exactly this and the first three lines make more sense than all your posts grouped together.......
Why?
Because they are a result of experimentation, and you can't beat that with all of your guesswork!

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Re: Back to Basics
« Reply #51 on: August 15, 2009, 01:51:29 PM »
how does a tpu work what is THE CORRECT OPERATION OF A TPU

well now LETS HAVE A LOOK  8) :o :o :o :o

IST!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3eI4SVDyME

INDUCTION ....  ;D

A CHANGEING MAGNETIC FEILD...  HUMMMMMMMM 8)

PEACE X2

W

PS HELL WITH FUNDING ...  I MAY WELL KNOCK ONE OF THEASE UP TODAY!! 

SPEEKER WIRE ...  IRON RING ...  4 JT 1 RING ....  ALL SAME DIRRECTION ... PULSED 1234 1234

EACH JT IS THE SAME TURNS AND WIRE LENGTH ...

KEY TUNE TO THE CORE MATERIAL ... 

JUST CUZ ITS THE BDAY .... ILL BUILD 2 ONE WITH A CUT CORE AND 1 WITH A SOLID RING CORE ...

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Re: Back to Basics
« Reply #52 on: August 15, 2009, 02:56:51 PM »
   You will note that in SM devices there always appears to be two collector windings.  Upper and Lower levels and in the masterpiece crossection we see upper and lower collector rings again.  I imagine we could call the collectors stacked.  Now if we take a bunch of coils and space them apart so that the magnetic fields interfere constructively and if Leedskalin is right as the current flows through the collector windings magnetic particles will flow from one torroidal magnetic field to the next.  This will transfer energy from collector A to collector B.  If there is a torroidal flow of magnetic particles already established in the Earth field as there appears to be then the Earth becomes just another part of the stack.  If the stacked torroidal magnetic fields take on a cone shape  eg Tesla's magnifying transmitter then the small torroidal magnetic field at the end of the stack experiences an acceleration of it's torroidal shell magnetic current like water flowing through a raceway trying to conserve inertia. So magnetic energy is concentrated in the final stage in the form of a high speed magnetic dynamo current trying to keep up with the flow in the big torroid.  Like having this giant gear spinning a tiny output gear.  Now we need to have some change in the magnetic circuit to convert this highvelocity magnetic current into a bumpy one so conventional induction can occur.  We need a magnetic valve.  Enter the kick.  The kick closes down a magnetic valve very quickly and the flow now has some vibration or wave properties to it.  You could close the valve at 5000hz or whatever as long as it is efficient.  SM was an audio engineer so 5k would be a frequency he is well versed in dealing with.

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Re: Back to Basics
« Reply #53 on: August 15, 2009, 03:45:01 PM »
Thanks for everyone's input.   This thread has served it's purpose.

EDIT:

Marco,

Go ahead and post your "how to" guide.   Post all your experiments and your interpretations and conclusions.   

Go ahead and post a working energy-producing device that utilizes these principles. 

Go ahead and make everyone's day.

« Last Edit: August 15, 2009, 04:41:10 PM by Grumpy »

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Re: Back to Basics
« Reply #54 on: August 15, 2009, 09:17:55 PM »
@grumpy

did i have tell to everyone here that @marco is  issss  not good friend   

maybe marco is here  for anather reason here MAYBE  <PUT ALL FRIENDs DOWN  >

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Re: Back to Basics
« Reply #55 on: August 15, 2009, 09:55:28 PM »
Why is that mac?
What did i do wrong?
You were the one that said for me is easy.
I can buy anything i want...
That is what you said,and that is why i do not like you.
Does that make me a no good friend?

You should not judge people like that because you do not know if i can buy anything i want.
In fact i have worked very hard for anything i have,just like other people do too.
So what is exactly easy?

It tells more about you then about me.
So don't go talking about me being no good friend.
I just don't want to be your friend because you think your the poor guy...and others have all the money they need, which is not always the case.


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Re: Back to Basics
« Reply #56 on: August 16, 2009, 04:17:31 AM »
Why is that mac?
What did i do wrong?
You were the one that said for me is easy.
I can buy anything i want...
That is what you said,and that is why i do not like you.
Does that make me a no good friend?

You should not judge people like that because you do not know if i can buy anything i want.
In fact i have worked very hard for anything i have,just like other people do too.
So what is exactly easy?

It tells more about you then about me.
So don't go talking about me being no good friend.
I just don't want to be your friend because you think your the poor guy...and others have all the money they need, which is not always the case.

OK Marco.

You want to show real experiments, real results? 

I'll help you where I can.  No more talk of this and that. 

No theories or philosophy in your build thread.

No contradictions without physical proof.

No showing of builds that are not related.

You must start the thread so that you may lock it when the trolls get out of hand - as they soon will.

You choose what to show, discuss, etc.

You might want a thread you can moderate so you can delete the BS.

Leave it wide open.  No secluded in any way.  Just keep it clean.

Game?


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Re: Back to Basics
« Reply #57 on: August 16, 2009, 12:28:01 PM »
I am sorry i do not have enough time to moderate any threads.

You can always start with these two elements:

Bring them close togheter play with it ,and think about the up side down issue.
Introduce other metals and think about why it detunes the device.
Also OTTO think about your core!!!

The ferrite rod antenna concentrates the magnetic component of radio waves.
But it also concentrates the earths field...It makes visible what it realy looks like, and that isn't what a compass shows, at all..

This is simple stuff let me know what you find, then we can compare our results.

Marco.

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http://www.radio-electronics.com/info/antennas/ferrite_rod_antenna/ferrite_rod_antenna.php
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ferrite_antenna.jpg

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Re: Back to Basics
« Reply #58 on: August 16, 2009, 05:18:43 PM »
@
all

i have  traed to  find solution for how  to move magnet fild auround some coils  whit no moving parts 
WE ALL  MAKE   
NO MOVING FILD

THAT IS VRONG
I HAVE PROVET  LONG TIME AGO WHIT MY VIDO WHIT  TWO SMALL MAGNET IN DOME TOROID 
AND I HAVE INCREASING FREK  4 TIMES
ONE KICK GENERATHING 4 KICKS
IF I PUT ONE KICK  AND INCREASIN TO  1000KICK  MAYBE I WHILL HAVE /......

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Re: Back to Basics
« Reply #59 on: August 16, 2009, 09:45:02 PM »
You are all talking about kick but do we really know what this "kick" is ? Do we talk about the same "kick" ?

I've always thought that the key to understanding TPU was in secret SM statement about many different currents flowing in the same wire independently:

"The point I wish to make here is that also along with the 500 volt
DC is, yes, you guessed it, the 5 volts three amp AC current!
They are both completely independent of each other except for
some very interesting things I will mention to you some other
time.."