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Offline innovation_station

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Re: Back to Basics
« Reply #30 on: August 13, 2009, 03:23:07 AM »
nice to see you here otto....

cork!!

lol

i know the tpu can be built many ways ...   

i have found not to cancel the magnetic feilds but to REMOVE THE FEILD THAT CAUSES THE DRAGGGG...   ;D

I HAVE SUCCEDIED IN DOING THIS .. 

in a mechanical  pulse motor as i take work from it ...  science would seem to sedjust that the motor should slow down as im getting work from it ... but in fact it does the oppsite ..and accelerates .. 

why ...  ;D

because i removed the returneing engery that is causeing the fight !! or i redirrected it and i found the higher the voltage i remove  the faster it will spinn to ballance ...... this is how i could use a 12vdc supply to charge any value dc voltage i desire ...

agin this is but part of my tpu...

not the entire unit

ist!

copper air iron core ferroite core does it really matter to get the  OU GRAIL ... it can be achieved by all core methods...

as i choose to think !!


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« Reply #30 on: August 13, 2009, 03:23:07 AM »

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« Reply #31 on: August 13, 2009, 04:22:51 AM »
Hello all,
@All

DAMN IT, would somebody tell us all why a 4" TPU has the weight of 1 POUND??? Maybe there are really bananas inside??

NO dont say its the copper from the collectors or controls!!! I dont want to read such a crap about loooooooong coils. A very long time I saw that a TPU has only short coils.
So, again, what is sooooo heavy in a TPU??
Otto
PS: a time ago I have bought sixty (60) pounds of thin copper. Guess why??


@otto

Thank you @otto for pushing this question again and again and it has pushed me to analyze this question further. I think I can clear up this misunderstanding about cores versus collector versus outer ring material, etc., because everyone is always confused when we discuss about cores,  but I think I now understand your position and I do agree. I edited this post several times and removed some points that I do not think guys are ready for. I will do some further testing myself and this will confirm what I have suspected.

Yes there are cores in the TPUs. But let's not get too confused.

FTPU Core - Center toroid with fine multi-strand wound coils. I am now convinced this toroid is a dual coil wind with multi-strands. On one side the strands are in series, the other side the strands are parallel and this will give you a step down transformer.

OTPU Core - Toroid hidden behind the circuit board same as FTPU.

So at this point SM made these open devices that I am sure he did not like because they showed too much of the device. You can see this in the videos as he tries very hard to always have his hand in front of the TPUs.

After these first two devices, SM was surely in paranoia mode because the TPUs were open designs. So he did some major brainstorming to see how he could fit the "useful parts" of the first two TPUs into a new design that will NOT GIVE AWAY ANY SECRETS. So he eventually decided to make his TPU in a donut shape and being taped over, this surely set his demo comfort level to a higher degree.

STPU and 6TPU Cores - Hey, where the hell is the center toroid? (lol) Well it is simple. He used a 4" toroidal core for the STPU and a 6" toroidal core for the 6TPU since such toroidal cores are openly available on the market with an easy 3/4" core spread from O.D. to I.D. Easy to talk about, yes, so I have included spec sheets on each size. LOOK AT THE MASS WEIGHTS. lol

NOW.... @otto asks who is using cores. Here starts the confusion. @otto is equating the STPU and 6TPU having no vissible toroidal center core as meaning the core has to be inside the outer ring. HE IS RIGHT. But we neglect that such size toroidal cores are readily available whereas the 15" and 17" are not. That's why SM used the FTPU toroid with thicker gauge wire on the bigger units. Otto is confusing this and saying since the STPU and 6TPU must have a core in its outer ring, then the 15" and 17" TPUs must also have a core in the outer rings, but I think they do not. The cores in the MTPU and LTPU are again the center toroid(s). If I talk now about the outer rings, then I am sure I will create great commotion so I will refrain until I do my tests. lol

MTPU and LTPU Cores. Obviously, SM wanted to continue his donut shape TPU because everything was covered over and he did not have to spend time worrying about giving out any more secrets. But obviously he could not find a toroidal core of 15" or 17" so he used a center toroid like the FTPU but this time the winding of the toroid coil was one thicker gauge wire per coil, and in the LTPU he used two of these. WHY? I am now convinced the power production of the MTPU and LTPU coming out of the outer ring in these two units did not require any stepping down. In the LTPU half the total juice went to one toroid side that was just used to stabilize the output via the core. So the other side of each core goes directly to output via the two black capacitor that are in series to handle the voltage levels.

I am also convinced that the SM TPUs did not require the donut shape but that this shape was psychologically more acceptable as an OU device then a little black box. If I gave you a donut TPU of 15 inches cube, or, a black box TPU of 15 inches cube, which one would insight more skepticism? Bingo..... you will look at the black box and say, "yeh, but that box could have just about anything inside it", whereas when you look at the donut, you think, "wow, that nifty little device is really powerful". lol

Plus, once he made the first STPU and 6TPU with the bigger toroid cores, the novelty of such a portable and handy shape became set in stone, so much so, that people did not really notice that the MTPU and LTPU were not as handy and they had visible center toroid(s), with loads of wire all over the place. No one made the link. And no one noticed the double thickness of the bases of these bigger TPUs. lol

Now I know why when he checked the amperage of the LTPU, it was the highest over the two toroid cores. Those outputs went directly to those toroids to stabilize the voltage. The LTPU toroids were identical winds on each side so there was no step down like the FTPU. The voltage and amperage ability was supplied in two halves to the toroids to show the outputs as in the video. lol

When you measure the output of the TPU, you only measure what can be consumed. This does not include what is recirculated inside the TPU.

In conclusion, @otto, please realize that the SM TPUs have only toroidal cores because that's all SM really needed for a core transfer. Hopefully I will be able to concretely prove this soon enough.

Oops, I will stop here.

wattsup

PS: The above does not mean that I think what you are doing is not right. Do what you think is right and go with your hunches and experiments and learn new things is how a real TPU will come to life. The end result is what counts.

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Re: Back to Basics
« Reply #32 on: August 13, 2009, 06:02:02 AM »
Is the magnetic field around a current carrying wire circular or radial?


I know that eveyone is told that it is circular, but is it?

It is radial and spirals around the wire. It isn't circular. If so, it would be a monopole, wouldn't it  ;)

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« Reply #33 on: August 13, 2009, 06:24:02 AM »
It is radial and spirals around the wire. It isn't circular. If so, it would be a monopole, wouldn't it  ;)

Do electrons spin to the right or the left?

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« Reply #34 on: August 13, 2009, 07:12:11 AM »
Do electrons spin to the right or the left?

Is this going to become a test of my knowledge on classic and quantum physics? I was taught a little of both and one more. Which shall it be?

Should I keep my answers at the level of an electron being a particle, a spherical wave, or both as it truly is? At least, that is the going theory.

For the general audience: There is no left or right spin. It is either spin-up or spin-down and can be either depending upon the spin orientation of the neighboring electrons.

I'll be glad when I can get back to the bench so I don't have the need to entertain myself as a PC hero.

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« Reply #35 on: August 13, 2009, 07:25:53 AM »
I'll be glad when I can get back to the bench so I don't have the need to entertain myself as a PC hero.

I rather enjoy it when you are   ;D

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Re: Back to Basics
« Reply #36 on: August 13, 2009, 10:08:40 AM »
Hello all,

@wattsup

yes, I agree, SM TPUs have only toroidal cores. Thats clear. I made 2 of such cores - capacitors each with 2 pounds of copper.

What do you mean with a "core transfer"??

Otto






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« Reply #37 on: August 13, 2009, 02:09:47 PM »
Is this going to become a test of my knowledge on classic and quantum physics? I was taught a little of both and one more. Which shall it be?

Should I keep my answers at the level of an electron being a particle, a spherical wave, or both as it truly is? At least, that is the going theory.

For the general audience: There is no left or right spin. It is either spin-up or spin-down and can be either depending upon the spin orientation of the neighboring electrons.

I'll be glad when I can get back to the bench so I don't have the need to entertain myself as a PC hero.
I apologize if my question offended you and your intelligence. I only asked to possibly verify the answer. It is my understanding that when winding coils, a clockwise(right) winding affects electron spin and the anti-clockwise wind(left) affects proton spin. I felt this information would fit with the title "Back to the basics" or is my question too basic?

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« Reply #38 on: August 13, 2009, 02:22:15 PM »
Sorry @HeairBear.

I'm just frustrated. I get that way when I spend too much time away from the bench.

As far as coil winding direction.... I've never seen any difference except magnetic polarity given the same electrical polarity applied.

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« Reply #39 on: August 13, 2009, 02:53:44 PM »
As far as coil winding direction.... I've never seen any difference except magnetic polarity given the same electrical polarity applied.

My experiments so far show the same as you described, although, I have yet to try two coils wound opposite from each other or non-inductive bifilar coils in efforts to cancel out the EM field. Scalar energy?

Some day I will get around to testing a mobius coil for the infinite resonance bit. The same effects should be for a bifilar wound accordingly. So, I imagine...

Is there a specific build of the many TPU's you are basing your ideas on?


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« Reply #40 on: August 13, 2009, 03:04:41 PM »
It is radial and spirals around the wire. It isn't circular. If so, it would be a monopole, wouldn't it  ;)

Thanks BEP.  This is why I brought it up in the first place.

When I first posed the question at the start of this thread, I wanted to see if anyone knew that there are two opposite "things" that flow before the electrons drift. Wheatstone proved that there is a "flow" of "something" from each end of the circuit in an experiment with three spark gaps in series.  The center (second) gap always arcs after the first and third gaps - contrary to the linear propagation we are taught to believe.

Does the north pole of a compass always point toward a wire carrying current or does the south pole point to the wire half in half of the circuit?  In other words, does the mag field along the wire ever flip?

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« Reply #41 on: August 13, 2009, 03:05:51 PM »
I'll try to answer later. Right now I'm supposed to be out solving other's problems before they happen  :D

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« Reply #43 on: August 13, 2009, 03:19:43 PM »
Wheatstone proved that there is a "flow" of "something" from each end of the circuit in an experiment with three spark gaps in series.  The center (second) gap always arcs after the first and third gaps - contrary to the linear propagation we are taught to believe.

I wonder how many have seen this. Most wouldn't believe it if they did.

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Does the north pole of a compass always point toward a wire carrying current or does the south pole point to the wire half in half of the circuit?  In other words, does the mag field along the wire ever flip?

This is an interesting point. A confusing one too.

In a single conductor the compass points across the wire, if it is centered on the wire. DC, AC, and pulses confuse it too. Anything but DC (not pulsed) may show a flip between nodes and anti-nodes if the frequency is high enough.

Drop a small doughnut magnet onto a steel rod of good length. It will rotate as it drops. If the rod is long enough the spin will change direction. This happens even if you magnetize the rod with one polarity from end to end. I once thought this was due to rod manufacture or metal imperfections.
Not so. Even after I anneal the rod while pointing it different directions the same happens.

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« Reply #44 on: August 13, 2009, 05:55:45 PM »
I wonder how many have seen this. Most wouldn't believe it if they did.

This is an interesting point. A confusing one too.

In a single conductor the compass points across the wire, if it is centered on the wire. DC, AC, and pulses confuse it too. Anything but DC (not pulsed) may show a flip between nodes and anti-nodes if the frequency is high enough.

Drop a small doughnut magnet onto a steel rod of good length. It will rotate as it drops. If the rod is long enough the spin will change direction. This happens even if you magnetize the rod with one polarity from end to end. I once thought this was due to rod manufacture or metal imperfections.
Not so. Even after I anneal the rod while pointing it different directions the same happens.

Later folks. Gotta earn some geld.

There is a little more to the Wheatstone experiment than just two sparks and three gaps.  He was able to measure the velocity at 288,000 miles per second.  This is 1.54 times 186,000 miles per second.  As some of you may recall, Tesla also measured this velocity (or something very close to it) for longitudinal waves.  I don;t recall anyone eery bringing this up before, but several people have mentioned that something flows or propagates from each side of the circuit.  See attached.

On the magnet in a tube, it falls at an angle if the tube is slit.  I can't recall what the explanation was for this.




 

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