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Grumpy

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Back to Basics
« on: August 10, 2009, 03:48:27 PM »
It never hurts to start at the beginning...

What "state" is a conductor, load, battery, and space in before the conductor, load, and battery are connected to form a circuit?

What occurs in a conductor when it is first connected to a battery and a load?

Specifically, what occurs before the electrons start to drift along the conductor?

Is "electron drift" (conventional current) a secondary effect of other effects?

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Re: Back to Basics
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2009, 05:33:08 PM »
Look at you i can see four question marks in your post.
That post is not back to basics, trust me.
I know what that is...
It is called endless rubbish.

Do you think there are people often wondering about your bench?...
Maybe you do not realize it but there are many...

We even wondered why you did not kick yourself from the forum.
You are one of them (and worse) ,leaving the others wounded.... :'(

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Re: Back to Basics
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2009, 05:37:56 PM »
Wounded.....it's not nice what so ever.

Treat others the way you like to be treated.

This stuff requires you to think out of the box..realisticly..useing books from 1900 to 1950...and to think like that.. i'm afraid people have been dumbed down...you have to study books from 1900 to 1950.

Cavity is science's way of calling it overunity.

Can you read this...it is like oil to me..

http://www.scribd.com/doc/18237593/Universal-Laws-Never-Before-Revealed-Keelys-Secrets .

I bought this book and got it scanned and put it on the internet because mm needed it.

I suppose it is like Lawrence tsung...seems like everybody has shut up.

You really talk of your own grumpy.


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Re: Back to Basics
« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2009, 06:56:27 PM »
High 'Q' resonance allows the reproduction or copy of the original power factor to another circuit with no losses.
Thats right 'No declination'. The room full of tuning forks, the whole area of spinning magnets in their little bowls, Podkletnov shooting a magnetic toroid 200 kilometers with 'No declination', T.T.Brown pushing against physical objects.
Has anybody looked at EVGray's device simply working up against Hector Torre's single shaft device needing dynamic tuning? That answer is 'No'.
What has been said that is not supposed to exist on the internet? High 'Q' Resonance. Don't inject losses into the circuit. These losses are incorporated all of the time. The Bedini motor, Gotoluc reproductions, RE generation, and especially the Kunel patent! are all fine examples of BEMF as an indicator that a short term interface is viable. What about long term? E.V.Gray comes to mind, Tesla's earthquake engine comes to mind, Tesla's Arrow comes to mind. Other examples exist, like Stan Meyer, Bearden MEG and Searle engine. In certain models there are exotic materials or angles. Why? The real losses have not been dealt with at their most minuscle stages. Torres had to use dynamic electronic control because of the mechanical losses being transfered on a single shaft. EVGray decoupled these by using pulleys and belts and keep the prime mover field resonantly coupled to the load by parallel placement. Thrapp does this too. Hello? Where are the brains?
A very intelligent aquaintence of mine suggested I look for the box under Leedskalnin's tripod. That is where the secret is. Well the box is gone because when the tards found it they noticed the variable capacitors and coils in there and hung them on the work shop wall. Hello? Where are the brains? Ed had strung the distance of the LC circuit across the castle floor to produce a resonant field the size of which we don't use today. Hello? Really, where are the brains?
I posted a youtube of High 'Q' 34khz input that screamed a constant 5-6mghz. The coils were air core with perpendicular placement, no capacitors and no sparks.  :D
What makes the blocking oscillator run?

The paddles are in place. Clear! PFVVVVT! It's alive! It's alive!

I believe there is an NDA in place that prohibits certain individuals from saying certain words. That accounts for mispellings from highly competent individuals. AND CERTAIN subjects not mentioned from certain mouths. The truth is truly in their silence or assumed abusiveness. Everybody see now? Things have always been very clear.

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Grumpy

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Re: Back to Basics
« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2009, 08:05:30 PM »
Look at you i can see four question marks in your post.
That post is not back to basics, trust me.
I know what that is...
It is called endless rubbish.

Do you think there are people often wondering about your bench?...
Maybe you do not realize it but there are many...

We even wondered why you did not kick yourself from the forum.
You are one of them (and worse) ,leaving the others wounded.... :'(

Piss off, Loser.   Just because you gave up doesn't mean everyone else should.

You have all been told how it works by many different people, but you choose to believe your own fantasies instead, while following an endless trail of ficticious bullshit.

Have you ever wondered why I have never asked any of you for anything? 

I don't need a damn thing from any of you.


As for deleting myself, good idea - thanks!

Grumpy

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Re: Back to Basics
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2009, 08:32:28 PM »
I believe there is an NDA in place that prohibits certain individuals from saying certain words. That accounts for mispellings from highly competent individuals. AND CERTAIN subjects not mentioned from certain mouths. The truth is truly in their silence or assumed abusiveness. Everybody see now? Things have always been very clear.

--giantkiller.

Not and NDA - a gag order.   As in "talk about this and we can put you in prison".

turbo

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Re: Back to Basics
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2009, 08:45:43 PM »
Piss off, Loser.   Just because you gave up doesn't mean everyone else should.

You have all been told how it works by many different people, but you choose to believe your own fantasies instead, while following an endless trail of ficticious bullshit.

Have you ever wondered why I have never asked any of you for anything? 

I don't need a damn thing from any of you.


As for deleting myself, good idea - thanks!

No need to call names.

Who told you i gave up ?
I never gave up dude.
Another wrong source it seems.
I just didn't want to be a part of the mess you created....
My research is very much alive.

I would be wasting my time wondering about you.

If there is anybody spreading bullshit it is you.
You and your meaningless words.

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Re: Back to Basics
« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2009, 08:57:34 PM »
Lost freedoms are only compounded into nightmares & fustrations when our dreams and aspirations are taken away, when we cannot teach to give.
I understand your position. Searl was thrown in prison while they burned his places down.
This is basic.

Grumpy

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Re: Back to Basics
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2009, 10:30:34 PM »
No need to call names.

Who told you i gave up ?
I never gave up dude.
Another wrong source it seems.
I just didn't want to be a part of the mess you created....
My research is very much alive.

I would be wasting my time wondering about you.

If there is anybody spreading bullshit it is you.
You and your meaningless words.

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Oh yes, the power lines.  God Bless them.

That wins the "bullshit theory award" by far.

What "mess" did I create?  I gave all of you a place to share your work, some of you decided to share it with the wrong people.  The only "mess" is the one that you and people like you have created.

You know so much, go ahead, make everyone's day.

Grumpy

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Re: Back to Basics
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2009, 11:59:58 PM »
It never hurts to start at the beginning...

What "state" is a conductor, load, battery, and space in before the conductor, load, and battery are connected to form a circuit?

What occurs in a conductor when it is first connected to a battery and a load?

Specifically, what occurs before the electrons start to drift along the conductor?

Is "electron drift" (conventional current) a secondary effect of other effects?

Can any of you answer these questions?

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Re: Back to Basics
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2009, 03:05:14 AM »
Guys, guys, come on, what's the point of attacking each other. Must be the heat wave.

@Grumpy

Here is my answer or at least part of my answer, but I am afraid you will not like it. Or maybe yes. It is definitely unconventional but this is where I have been stuck since then about such questions because the present answers of electricity "traveling in a wire" do not satisfy me at all. But I know the idea is new because if you do a Google search on what I call "spin conveyance", you will not get many results. Talk about unknown. lol

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6218.msg142123#msg142123

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Re: Back to Basics
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2009, 06:04:25 AM »
See?

I think it was Erfinder that first poised a similar question: how do you expect to create electricity, when you do not even know what it is?

Electricity does not exist without the answers to the questions that I just asked and there-in lies the secret.

The drifting electrons are just a secondary effect, which implies that you can apply the correct primary effects to produce this secondary effect.  A handful of you reading this may have actually been taught this.



turbo

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Re: Back to Basics
« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2009, 06:19:44 AM »
Oh yes, the power lines.  God Bless them.

That wins the "bullshit theory award" by far.

What "mess" did I create?  I gave all of you a place to share your work, some of you decided to share it with the wrong people.  The only "mess" is the one that you and people like you have created.

You know so much, go ahead, make everyone's day.

No not the powerlines you fool.

My god i never realized you were such an ass...
I gave you this,i gave you that, you sound like a complaining old woman.

You are just guessing.
And i'm glad because this means i did not share my work with the wrong people...
People like you.

Over and out.

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Re: Back to Basics
« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2009, 06:56:53 AM »
See?

I think it was Erfinder that first poised a similar question: how do you expect to create electricity, when you do not even know what it is?

Electricity does not exist without the answers to the questions that I just asked and there-in lies the secret.

The drifting electrons are just a secondary effect, which implies that you can apply the correct primary effects to produce this secondary effect.  A handful of you reading this may have actually been taught this.

Taught - didn't believe. You apply 480 to a 480/240 transformer and it puts out 240. Put 240 to the secondary and the primary outputs 480.

Charge applied to a wire creates a magnetic field. The magnetic field creates 'conventional' current flow. The magnetic field leads current flow by 45 degrees. The charge leads the magnetic field by 45 degrees.

If you want to produce 'conventional' current flow in a wire you can produce the same magnetic field around the wire that would have been produced if charge was applied to the wire - at the same speed, direction and rotation around the wire.

The hard part is knowing the correct way a magnetic field is produced by current flow.
It isn't a tube-shaped field around the wire. It is a more like a spring but it rotates with the wire at the center.

Sorry.... Been a bit busy...

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Re: Back to Basics
« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2009, 03:29:26 PM »
No not the powerlines you fool.

My god i never realized you were such an ass...
I gave you this,i gave you that, you sound like a complaining old woman.

You are just guessing.
And i'm glad because this means i did not share my work with the wrong people...
People like you.

Over and out.
Why don't you fake the TPU again, maybe you will learn something next time.

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You *THINK* you know me.

Big mistake.

Losers like you can only bash others to make up for your own shortcomings. You are right up there with all the other trolls, and your buddy IST.

Keep hiding behind your empty words. 

You'll never "get it", but you sure will pretend that you have it...ROFLMFAO!!!