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robbosdog

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water holding charg
« on: August 09, 2009, 10:44:06 AM »
Hi Guys,

Just reading your posts, very interesting stuff. I pay with hho via ultraviolet light , magnets and Tio2 , it also uses water/vapor from an ultrasonic water fogger as feed stock , I also have Joe cells and water quality and charge is critical , I "make " the water for the jcell  by linking two jars of water with a rag/cloth/handtowel and apply 50 odd volts dc - positive to one jar negative to the other ( via  304 stainless welding rod cathode/anode ) .

After about 12 hours (overnight) the water will split into two types, one when measured with a multi meter will read as a plus 800Mv voltage the other minus 300Mv, tap water should be about +500Mv when measured to start with, but if you split the jars and repeat the process you can see values of +1.1Mv in other words a glass of "water " holding the equivalent of a pen battery.

Don't know if it would spark 3-4 ml though, sorry to but in but having seen this I thought I would offer these results.

Regards,

Robbo.


dankie

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Re: water holding charg
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2009, 10:57:35 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-dpdC5FwBA

This water right here can cure cancer if you drink enough of it regularly .

Combine this with some vitamin b-17 , hemp oil and you can cure any cancer .

Farrah Day

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Re: water holding charg
« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2009, 01:32:52 PM »
Robbo, would I be right in thinking that you mean milli-volts, not Mega-volts?

Dankie, I'm not sure as to the purpose of that youtube link you provided. The guy says he is charging water, but clearly he is simply electrolysing it - he's producing gas by normal electrolysis, nothing more...  why would he think he was charging water?

robbosdog

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Re: water holding charg
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2009, 01:56:22 PM »
You got me there Farrah Day , the correct parlance would indeed be mV , thanks for picking me up on that.

regards ,

Robbo

Farrah Day

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Re: water holding charg
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2009, 02:04:07 PM »
No problem Robbo, it's just that when I first read it as Mega-volts I thought... wow!

Water is a polar molecule, so water can be polarised by a electric fields, but this is not the same a charging water.

The Kelvin dropper experiment shows clearly how to produce charged water, but the resulting oppositely charged water is in two separated containers. The water can be charged extremely high and the charge at some given point will be high enough to cause the air to ionise and jump a spark gap.

Some people are claiming to charge water in a single container, but this makes little immediate sense.

How can it be possible to charge water in a single container?  For this to happen, water molecules would need to be ionised and then either the -ve or +ve ions would need to be removed, leaving a surplus of the other.




dankie

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Re: water holding charg
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2009, 12:53:41 AM »
Farrah ( quak-too) , I know Moshe , he wouldnt make a video and call it stage 3 charged water if it was in fact electrolys

Sometimes you can say the stupidest things ...


onthecuttingedge2005

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Re: water holding charg
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2009, 02:44:14 AM »
stupidest

huh? what is stupidest? I tried to look it up in the dictionary will no prevail.

I had to. sorry.
Jerry ;)

robbosdog

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Re: water holding charg
« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2009, 05:53:25 AM »
the Language or parlance for a Joecell and its operation , they have  four stages of preparation b4 the joecell will work - these were coined by Alex Schiffer the co inventor of the Joecell , its all a bit mystical for most as they are non scientific by nature , the stage 4 cell will run a car without electrical connection by extracting ergone from the environment , If you are unsure of egones  existence then it all makes no sense .

Some of these devises ( and I have a few ) will electrolyze at voltage / amps so low that one couldn't call it electrolysis , and as there is no physical connection from the cell to the engine its all a mystery . Can't say I believe it but I have seen some strange results .

A true Joecell ( they say ) dose not produce hho or any other gas .

Robbo

Farrah Day

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Re: water holding charg
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2009, 02:19:14 PM »
Quote from Dankie:

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Farrah ( quak-too) , I know Moshe , he wouldnt make a video and call it stage 3 charged water if it was in fact electrolys

Sometimes you can say the stupidest things ...


What you think you know and what you actually do know is highly debatable.

I'm afraid the fact that you know him does absolutely nothing to his credit... you know and support a lot of retards.

Charged water does not gas up. If it's gassing - as per the video - charges are being exchanged, the water is clearly reacting and electrolysis is occurring. If you really want to know what charged water is do yourself a favour, stop believing everything that anyones says, and check out, 'Lord Kelvin's Water Dropper'.

And you have the nerve to call me stupid!!!

Robbo:

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Some of these devises ( and I have a few ) will electrolyze at voltage / amps so low that one couldn't call it electrolysis

It only takes just over a volt to initiate electrolysis, and any current flow whatsoever between electrodes immersed in water or an electrolyte will constitute electrolysis. So, on the contrary, no matter how little gas is being evolved, it is called electrolysis.

robbosdog

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« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2009, 03:30:58 PM »
Sorry if the Last post was taken out of context Farrah day , I do agree that electrolysis is electrolysis and 1.2 V is the number required , I was to attain to the point that to run a car with one at these levels  requires a certain sort of “belief” structure I struggle with hence my appearance here .

I have measured the ph at cathode anode in a cell and they are as to be expected , high and low , I suspect that’s why there is a swirling motion in the water while they operate.

I was listens to a science show a while back where it was stated what water could be taken to 400 c and still not boil if it was completely ionized , something to do with surface tension and vibration if I fathom what he was talking about .
He did warn though if a speak of dust was to fall in its catalytic effect would be lethal , I have noticed a change in the surface tension or feel of the water when these processes are done and have read that the molecule cluster  size is drops from 13 to 5 , I combine this water with the negative charging effect that ultrasonic transducers create some really reactive water , when this is feed though ultraviolet light in contact with Tio2 to crack the hydrogen off ,and magnetic fields then hold the oxygen in contact with the uv , this causes it to jump ion states from o2 to o3 and o4 and I hope higher states that that can be achieved .
The kJ mol values for oxygen are ,

1 st  1313.9
2 nd  3388.3
3 rd 5300.5
4 th 7469.2

Hydrogen is 1312.0kJ mol  in the 1 st  and it doesn’t   increase with any way that I know of so it seems to me work on the oxidizer as  it can contain more energy and it's cheap to make.

Robbo.

Farrah Day

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Re: water holding charg
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2009, 06:51:15 PM »
Yep Robbo, water at the electrodes will be more acidic or alkaline depending on which electrode you're at due to ions.

Water can boil at ridiculously low temperatures if pressure is reduced enough. If you put a few ounces of water into a bottle and create a vacuum, there will come a point where it will readily boil off at room temperature. Likewise the boiling point of water can be raised many degrees by pressurising it.

There may well be processes that reduce the cluster size of water, but ionising it and stopping it from recombing into water is a whole different concept.  You have two unlike charges and the thing they most want to do is recombine and neutralise themselves.  This is why I say you can only charge up water with either -ve or +ve ions... not both. And you have to somehow remove one kind of charge.

Lord Kelvin's Dropper Experiment shows this very well. It also shows that charged water (either -ve ions or +ve ions) will give you a shock and go to ground the first chance it gets.  It is just like a charged capacitor... touch the electrodes and you will know about it. 

So, charged water by it's very nature won't sit there charged for long and would not be very easy to utilise.

I'm not sure what ion states has to do with O2, O3 and O4, as the oxygen molecule can't simply jump ion states to become ozone, it calls for a reaction between at least 3 oxygen molecules.

Excited molecules with electrons in higher orbits don't simply become another, larger molecule.

You haven't by any chance been reading too much into 'H20power's' wacky theories have you?

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Re: water holding charg
« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2009, 12:54:11 AM »
You haven't by any chance been reading too much into 'H20power's' wacky theories have you?

Your wacky if your backed by facts and wacky if not, sometimes I wonder what your agenda really is buzz.

robbosdog

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Re: water holding charg
« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2009, 04:18:02 AM »
Farrah Day ,  can't say I'v heard of H2Opower , but will surly have a look now ;) , picking up e volts from uv light is what it dose its a pretty standard process , and I will add proven , no one is sure if its only the Uv or the magnets are helping out as well.

Its a work in progress , thats why I'm here reading all and sundy regarding these issue , Havn't found much though , but thanks for the lead.

Robbo.

Farrah Day

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Re: water holding charg
« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2009, 02:06:28 PM »
Hi Robbo

Can you just clarify what it is you are actually trying to achieve?

Are you looking to produce hydrogen and oxygen from water?  Or are you just trying to charge water... if so, to what end?

robbosdog

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Re: water holding charg
« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2009, 02:37:18 PM »
Hi all have a short vid of what I'm doing with uv , tio2 , a water fogger and magnets

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RR5we9i5J98

you know that system I told you about for  the hi/low ph water , well if one was to have a system like that setup and bubbled hydroxyl  through the alkaline side would it thieve the bonding electrons and break the bond , these electrons would then travel across the bridge to the acid water thus leaving the hydrogen free to float off ?

any thoughts

Robbo