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Offline markdansie

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Re: Selfrunning 3 KWatts ERR unit powering 3 x 800 Watt lamps
« Reply #135 on: August 12, 2009, 03:50:52 PM »
 TK
"And I have absolutely no influence on -- nor responsibility for --  whether or not adult people choose to believe the impossible, based on the flimsiest of evidence and the wildest assumptions, in spite of direct statements from someone who should know, that their beliefs and conclusions are erroneous."

Having been an editor once I think this could be more simply said as " I dont tollerate fools"

Please do not discount yourself too much. many people with very high IQ's end up with the most mundane jobs like clerks.

I was thinking of decorating our resident Koala on the property I live with some left over xmas decorations. I decided against this as the world is not ready for two TK's

As for the other posts re it could have been transmitted from another source..well done. There are a lot of other red flags as well. I have eliminated fishing line.

I am not being skeptical here Harvey and will hang around like I have on many other occasions to see the outcome. Unfortunately history on this site has not been kind to the many hundreds of claims made over the years. However in some cases there is a lot of entertainment value (Mylow was a real hoot and I miss the posts)

The optomist in me hopes that this has some merrit. As usual time will tell.
My email is markdansie@bigpond.com drop me a line. I have a couple of things that might be usefull you can pass on.
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Offline allcanadian

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Re: Selfrunning 3 KWatts ERR unit powering 3 x 800 Watt lamps
« Reply #136 on: August 12, 2009, 06:19:28 PM »
@TK
Quote:
"I'm actually too stupid to make a decent living or to have any social relationships, beyond talking to my landlord for a few minutes when I manage to pay the rent. I really am a monster, just as Rosemary says. Living underground, communicating by the stupid internet, avoiding contact with real people. It's a wonderful life."

LOL, this field of technology tends to swallow one whole and it is no easy matter to find and maintain balance in our lives.

Quote:
"And I have absolutely no influence on -- nor responsibility for --  whether or not adult people choose to believe the impossible, based on the flimsiest of evidence and the wildest assumptions, in spite of direct statements from someone who should know, that their beliefs and conclusions are erroneous."

That would depend on your perspective of impossible, one man's impossibility may be another man's every day experience. For example many responsible, intelligent adults tell me I cannot get something from nothing that is impossible, but upon questioning them not one--nobody-- has ever told me where this nothing is or where I would find it, as "nothing" is by definition a space devoid of everything including energy. Because all space must be occupied by energy propogating to a greater or lesser extent the very premise of "nothing" would seem flawed. The error as always is assuming our perspective must be the correct one, everyone without exception has the capacity to be wrong no matter their education or background, like this "nothing" I speak of it is not a black and white issue, it is always a matter of degrees.
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Re: Selfrunning 3 KWatts ERR unit powering 3 x 800 Watt lamps
« Reply #137 on: August 12, 2009, 08:23:19 PM »
@Harvey: of course I agree with some of what you say. But it is somewhat disingenuous of you to left-handedly compare Doctor Schwartz (of what? from where? this is not information, since he uses the title, that is legitimately kept private) to compare, I say, the good Doctor with Nikola Tesla. Tesla's patents are available for anyone to see and replicate; his priority in several inventions has been affirmed in courts; offshoots of his inventions are in daily use by me and by you, even at this moment.
I suppose you will say that it is just a matter of time, before we revere Doctor Schwartz in the same manner. I say, "Don't hold your breath."

If I am going to call someone Doctor, I damn sure want to know "Doctor of What." Since I know something of what it takes to earn a PhD. degree from a real academic institute in a "hard science."

Fine. For you, his name is Mr. J. B. Schwartz. For the group, we can call him Ben. He doesn't publicize his credentials, they were publicized by others and the rest of us used the title out of respect. I'm sure with your 'enormous intellect' and connections 'at the highest levels' you can find out where on the planet he earned his credentials. It's moot. The body of the work eclipses the letters behind the name.

 ::)

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Offline Harvey

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Re: Selfrunning 3 KWatts ERR unit powering 3 x 800 Watt lamps
« Reply #138 on: August 12, 2009, 08:27:53 PM »
The magniworks ad on the website certifies this as another scam for me.

I suggest though to look into 'left-handed' or metamaterial research as it's better known since there are some actual results coming out from this field.

I too was taken back when I saw not one, but 3 Ads for 'Magnawerx' (sic) - Then I realized that these are simply Injected Google ads that NARF has little control over. Either you allow the ads or remove the module completely - Bleagh - I wish TK would jump on Google for allowing them in the first place. I could probably follow the money trail on that one and end up in some obscure unregulated country somewhere - if anyone gets to the bottom of it, please post the results.

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Re: Selfrunning 3 KWatts ERR unit powering 3 x 800 Watt lamps
« Reply #139 on: August 12, 2009, 08:52:08 PM »
Fine. For you, his name is Mr. J. B. Schwartz. For the group, we can call him Ben. He doesn't publicize his credentials, they were publicized by others and the rest of us used the title out of respect. I'm sure with your 'enormous intellect' and connections 'at the highest levels' you can find out where on the planet he earned his credentials. It's moot. The body of the work eclipses the letters behind the name.

 ::)

OK, from that I guess we can "assume" then that his "doctorate" is from a divinity school or a diploma mill, or is an "honorary" award from an academic institution.

So, "Ben" it is, then.

Until otherwise indicated, that is.

Now, could you provide some references to the "body of work" that eclipses the "Dr." that Ben uses behind his name? I'd like to take a look. At something besides YT videos and the NARF (cracks me up, along with ERR...) website...

A single peer-reviewed article in a known scientific journal would be a nice place to start, if it isn't too technical for my meager brain...


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Re: Selfrunning 3 KWatts ERR unit powering 3 x 800 Watt lamps
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Re: Selfrunning 3 KWatts ERR unit powering 3 x 800 Watt lamps
« Reply #140 on: August 12, 2009, 08:52:24 PM »
I too was taken back when I saw not one, but 3 Ads for 'Magnawerx' (sic) - Then I realized that these are simply Injected Google ads that NARF has little control over. Either you allow the ads or remove the module completely - Bleagh - I wish TK would jump on Google for allowing them in the first place. I could probably follow the money trail on that one and end up in some obscure unregulated country somewhere - if anyone gets to the bottom of it, please post the results.

 :-\

Yeah that seems to be the case, good call.

In case anyone is wondering 'Magniwork' or 'Magnawork' or what ever they call themselves seems to be a internet pyramid scam. You can find just about every related 'OU' video posted all over the internets with the name plastered on top.


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Re: Selfrunning 3 KWatts ERR unit powering 3 x 800 Watt lamps
« Reply #141 on: August 12, 2009, 08:56:37 PM »
his is how I see it:
 The plates are collector from the back wall, very strange picture!
The field is transmiting from the wall to the collector box.
If you look very hard at the 2 wire going into the inside little box, and the other wire going to the left side.
Why is all of the electronics hiding?
Looks like a very simple inverter to me, or a transformer collector...

Tom

If NARF has perfected the transmission of wireless power to the degree you have indicated then let us all jump for joy as even the universities are struggling with keeping the energy focused.

But I can tell you, that when the device was demonstrated to me, if any transmitter existed it would have had to been a minimum of  10 feet away, because that was the nearest wall. The only other two walls were farther away and went to outside and the other  division line was an opening into two entirely different rooms, one about 12' square and the other a long rectangular room with an outside wall about 40 feet from the device. I do not think that this is an inductive receiver.

My educated guesses are:
1. It works as claimed
2. The panels have batteries and some type of wireless switch in them.

So, until either is proven or disproven I will be supporting the claim and awaiting its release.

I am glad to see you thinking about it. Sometimes we have to stare at a puzzle piece for a while before we can fit it into place mentally.  ;)

 8)

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Re: Selfrunning 3 KWatts ERR unit powering 3 x 800 Watt lamps
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Offline amigo

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Re: Selfrunning 3 KWatts ERR unit powering 3 x 800 Watt lamps
« Reply #142 on: August 13, 2009, 03:45:15 AM »
@TK

My accountant told me once:

"You know those doctors, they always get a priority treatment no matter where they are. For example, if they call to book airplane tickets, and say I'm Dr. So and So, they'd get ahead of the line. Well, I think I'm going to start calling myself a doctor and when they ask me what I'm doctor of, I'll tell them - doctor of love."

So ever since then I keep calling him "The Love Doctor" or Dr. J (his last name initial) and people seem to catch on it as well. He does not mind it and I do not see any harm as nobody can question his "credentials" of being a doctor of love.

Thus, anyone can claim "doctorship" over a field they create. Since there's no one else being an expert in it you have every right to call yourself whatever you like. Let's remember such luminaries as L. Ron Hubbard who created Scientology and gave himself the title of the Commodore, being above all other ranks in his religion.

Anyway, sorry for the digression, I just thought it was an amusing story and befitting the current conversation. :D

By the way, if I bring my bike to the shop will you service it? Can I also bring my scope for the tune-up as well? :)

Offline Thaelin

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Re: Selfrunning 3 KWatts ERR unit powering 3 x 800 Watt lamps
« Reply #143 on: August 13, 2009, 05:21:29 AM »
   Whats in a name. If you have the title, use it. Big deal.

  For the fun of it, I am actually Sir Thaelin. Knighted by the Duke
of Cannesbury for good deeds to humanity. I never use it tho.
Just me.

thay         8)

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Re: Selfrunning 3 KWatts ERR unit powering 3 x 800 Watt lamps
« Reply #144 on: August 13, 2009, 12:04:23 PM »

Anyone remember Sir Basil of Overfirstengoggle ?


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Re: Selfrunning 3 KWatts ERR unit powering 3 x 800 Watt lamps
« Reply #145 on: August 13, 2009, 02:23:20 PM »
@amigo, Sure! If you don't mind an electronics technician working on your bike, what could be wrong with a bike repariman tuning up your scope? Rotate the probes, change the charge on the capacitors, polish the resistors, and re-align the oblivial pivot, true up the waveforms, and oil all the controls.

@harvey: Since the device seems to do the impossible, it seems to me that the appropriate attitude is to nod head wisely, and then look for any and all ways that it could be "faked" or could be producing its effects by, shall we say, other than the stated means. Set up the appropriate Null Hypothesis and then try to disprove it. Batteries in the panels? What evidence FOR this is there? Is there any empirical test or research or examination of existing material that would allow us to REJECT once and for all the idea that there are batteries in the panels?
And so forth.
Only when All Possible alternative Null hypotheses have been rejected, by experimentation or logical deduction (not induction) from what is known for sure...only then should one adopt Harvey's attitude of "support until proven wrong".

I mean, you can certainly believe whatever you want in your heart of hearts, but really, trying to tear down the nulls is really the only way to know what's going on.

Officially, that is.
Who knows what data streams the Puka can tap, with those big invisible ears.

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Offline hartiberlin

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Re: Selfrunning 3 KWatts ERR unit powering 3 x 800 Watt lamps
« Reply #146 on: August 13, 2009, 02:46:22 PM »
Please can we come back to the technical site of the discussion.

Please no more babbling about doctor tites, etc...

Please only discussion about the left hand materials and how
it might work.

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan. (admin)

Offline spinner

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Re: Selfrunning 3 KWatts ERR unit powering 3 x 800 Watt lamps
« Reply #147 on: August 13, 2009, 04:11:50 PM »
Please can we come back to the technical site of the discussion.

Please no more babbling about doctor tites, etc...

Please only discussion about the left hand materials and how
it might work.

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan. (admin)
Dear Admin,

What's  wrong with using titles and certificates to prove a fantastic claims?

What's wrong if someone wants to check those titles?

After all, THEY claim the "impossible"...

And, I'd like to see a "real doctor" messing with the fringe technology at least once....

The best I could came up with in the last decade was a "doctor of chiropractics" (claiming the woo woo physics science knowledge).  ;D

Now, how many "real" doctors we really have here (this site) ???

Hey, don't be afraid to tell...

If my memory serves me well, we had a "pet" doctor once, also there was a "natural sciences" "doctor" from the Philippines, and the ..
This is a fairy tale, ...

Anyone else?

 ;)

Offline markdansie

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Re: Selfrunning 3 KWatts ERR unit powering 3 x 800 Watt lamps
« Reply #148 on: August 13, 2009, 05:34:29 PM »
Good point we should get back to the technical discussion.
I wonder if you combined left handed materials with right handed if they would become ambidexrous.
I would give my right arm to ambidexrous.
Kind Regards
Mark

PS I am still studying up on left handed materials. will report back when I find something that is in plain english.

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Re: Selfrunning 3 KWatts ERR unit powering 3 x 800 Watt lamps
« Reply #149 on: August 13, 2009, 08:58:28 PM »
Good point we should get back to the technical discussion.
I wonder if you combined left handed materials with right handed if they would become ambidexrous.
I would give my right arm to ambidexrous.
Kind Regards
Mark

PS I am still studying up on left handed materials. will report back when I find something that is in plain english.

Hey! I resemble that remark - in a somewhat lysdexic way.  :-\

 

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