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iacob alex

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Big fall,smooth jump...
« on: July 27, 2009, 02:19:51 AM »

.....is the next open suggestion,for the only one problem of a possible PM.

     You can find it at ;   www.evert.de/eft730e.htm

     Prof. Evert made the first step: a new kind of the switching procedure (short arm into long arm and back).

     To sensitize,amplify this interesting proposal,we need some more steps....the next is yours.

         All the Best! / Alex
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Re: Big fall,smooth jump...
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2009, 03:24:12 AM »

  .....is related to a new kind of switching procedure (short arm into a long one,and back).

       Smooth is free from difficulty,smooth jump is an easy sharp sudden motion.

       It seems to me ,that the one and the  only problem of a possible PM is this switching motion,if we can make it "self".

       The details (shape,number of arms/spokes and others...),turn out of minor importance:it's a "pesonal" construction or inspiration.

       If you have in sight the "history" (evolution) of this elementary motion/mechanical switching,you can understand easy ,that this is the main point of PM.

       Not using the long experience of PM.can result that we can fall down easy in some real traps of our imagination :the illusory ,usually is science fiction.

       Prof. Evert (  www.evert.de  ) can be an excellent trainer for people interested  to develop their own opinion about this old "knotty point " of inventics:the "dream " of  PM .

           All the Best! / Alex
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Re: Big fall,smooth jump...
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2012, 10:58:26 AM »
 
....you can understand more explicitly,if you take a short look at a movie:
 
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCH8kNCZsU0&feature=related
 
 The real world is our teacher,and to "copy" it is necessary.
 
 If you insist on "yourself"...try to replace the acrobats with a mechanical "something",so to get "self-motion" due to gravity fall/flow and inertia/temporary storage.
 
      All the best! / Alex
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Re: Big fall,smooth jump...
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2012, 01:26:05 PM »
Quote from: iacob alex on July 27, 2009, 02:19:51 AM
.....is the next open suggestion,for the only one problem of a possible PM.

     You can find it at ;   www.evert.de/eft730e.htm

     Prof. Evert made the first step: a new kind of the switching procedure (short arm into long arm and back).

     To sensitize,amplify this interesting proposal,we need some more steps....the next is yours.

         All the Best! / Alex

      Alex,
  His thoughts are interesting. I posted something very similar a long time ago(years). That is why I have moved on. By the way, the 4 weighted wheel is essentially based on that principle which is really similar to Bessler's Mt 24.
Weights on levers and nothing else will probably never work. Short or long arm would make no difference.
 Energy does need to be converted if it's potential can be realized in any aspect as free energy.

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Re: Big fall,smooth jump...
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2012, 05:20:16 PM »
 
       Hi Johnny!
 
Evert posted his non-working proposal("Pendulum Wheel") ten years ago.
 
You can find on youtube ,a multitude of Circus performances with the tag "Wheel of Death".
 
The most interesting,engaging the attention about simplicity is that with a single artist:fulcrum,lever and only one moving mass (playing alternatingly short arm-long arm).
 
That's all:playing gravity and inertia !
 
If you replace the artist (moving mass) with "something " moving alike...you have the "toy".
 
     All the Best! / Alex
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Re: Big fall,smooth jump...
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2012, 08:49:12 PM »
Potential energy in a weight at point A will not change just by changing the return path to the weights start position at point A. Gravity powered machines can therefor not work. Point A represent a fixed potential energy. If a weight is travelling anywhere and returns to point A, there is no excess potential energy applied to that weight when it has returned to point A. So that weight cannot power the system by itself because no potential energy is applied to it in order to make the machine work.
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Re: Big fall,smooth jump...
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2012, 11:11:11 PM »
Right, but gravity wheel is not about lifting weights, it's about levering, actually multi-levering. Multi-levering means you can not just draw out the weight or pair of weights of the system and try to prove that whole system won't work...  The potential energy in levered weigts varies depending on lenghts of arms they work on, not only on hight . And the trick is that these arms change their lenghts continously.  This is why in overbalancing wheels the weights on one side have more potential energy than weights on the oposite side regarding to the point of support, even if the numbers of weights on both sides are equal. And this is why I think the gravity machines do work... although not for everyone ;D /for Bessler did/
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Re: Big fall,smooth jump...
« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2012, 12:05:46 AM »
 
   Hi!
A closed loop of a mass between two gravitational levels has an evident null energy sum,amount (see the old "m*g*h interdiction..." topic).
 
A leverage (two masses...) can be "something different"...due to inertia.
 
     All the Best! / Alex
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Re: Big fall,smooth jump...
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2012, 12:21:47 AM »
Possibly Alex... I am amazed by Mr Chalkalis invention. It looks like his wheel or whatever it is utilizes both; centrifugal and gravity forces. Perhaps this kind of forces are used by all unbalanced wheels? I'd like to illustrate the difference between simple lifting and leverage. If we lift and hold mass1 in position like on picture 1 the potential energy of this mass E1 is less than m1*g*h due to mass m linked to m1 on opposite side. This is why we can't consider just one or two balls of the whole system.
Now, if I move the support of this see-saw up to the center to balance both masses, the whole energy disappears! The masses didn't do any work. I didn't do any work as the support moves friction less and the force I put is perpendicular to the force of gravity.
Now, what if I move the support back still holding m1? Would I create the energy ex nihilo - from nothing? Of course no. It would be the energy from gravity. So I can energize mass with potential energy from gravity without moving it and invert the process in the same way.
This energy can be turned into kinetic and this is what the overbalancing wheels do.
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Re: Big fall,smooth jump...
« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2012, 10:18:17 AM »
 
     Hi Rafael!
 Amazement is a pleasant sensation for a "circus" performance,knowledge is necessary when you have (or intend) a "job" to do.
 
Some people like "why make simple,when you can do it complex ?".
 
Some people like "why make complex,when you can do it simple?".
 
As I see ,you begin with a simple sketch:a line,m,m1,h,d
 
Here  can be a starting point for everybody...
 
I retain some useful ideas:...to energize mass (or masses?!)...with potential energy from gravity .
 
       All the best! / Alex
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