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Author Topic: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts  (Read 419128 times)

Offline minde4000

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #435 on: November 06, 2010, 03:48:09 AM »
I don't know if this has already been mentioned but the user armagedo0on has also done some experiments which have very close similarities to Don's devices. (Check out all his videos btw)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA87r58iCXo
The video speaks for itself, and it is Don's approach to the "normal" Tesla coil, with the primary moved into the center of the secondary. I do not believe the secondary is reverse winded from the middle though.

I'm just thinking if he had put a much higher voltage into that, he could have gone from miliwats into kilowats....

Replications are the key here of course, not talk, so I hope I will be able to supply the knowledge base with something as well with time....
Julian

Somewhat middle tapped tesla coil. As far as I know noone ever properly replicated this device (usual consiquence on most any other inventor devices...) so noone can tell. I have a descent setup but no power supply that could hit spark 1:3 to main system frequency - 50khz(spark) to 150khz (main) .. or to every third wave thus sustaining resonance.
Thats my personal experience.

Minde

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #436 on: November 06, 2010, 03:53:50 AM »
Check it out here. One person partially succeed to replicate the device.


Partially succeeded? Huh? Sorry bro...
No HF spark excited primary tank ... no sustained resonance in primary tank... no go.

Minde

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #437 on: November 08, 2010, 11:38:13 PM »
That is a very decent setup to put it mildly  :D

First I wondered: Is that a one turn primary?!? But looking at it a little closer and I see the rest of it....
Seems like you got some pretty high quality components there, a shame you can't use it yet, though I look forward to see it when you get it started  ;) That's also pretty much how I'm thinking about making it. But I'm not sure whether a one layer coil or a pancake one would be the best...
If its about making the magnetic fields highly separated from the center and out then I would say the latter.

I hope I'll find some more info about that soon.
Julian

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #438 on: November 09, 2010, 12:22:46 AM »
I don't know if this has already been mentioned but the user armagedo0on has also done some experiments which have very close similarities to Don's devices. (Check out all his videos btw)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA87r58iCXo
The video speaks for itself, and it is Don's approach to the "normal" Tesla coil, with the primary moved into the center of the secondary. I do not believe the secondary is reverse winded from the middle though.

I'm just thinking if he had put a much higher voltage into that, he could have gone from miliwats into kilowats....

Replications are the key here of course, not talk, so I hope I will be able to supply the knowledge base with something as well with time....
Julian

Hello, that is my video,

The secondary is a bifilar wound tesla coil, created to have a high electrostatic component. The center wound primary creates 2 virtual poles on each side of the primary of opposite polarity. Through the center of the secondary is a wire with a diode. The two virtual poles capacitively couple to the central wire and cause it to pump charge through a load.

Inductive action causes 2 virtual electric poles, which are capacitively coupled to a load. This unit was DC output, however it is easy to accomplish AC.

Smith has quite obviously not released anything of value. Pave your own way.

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #439 on: November 09, 2010, 12:30:22 AM »
Congratulations on your BEAUTIFUL SETUP!!!

How did you wind the big coil so perfectly?

Thank you.

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #440 on: November 09, 2010, 02:07:16 AM »
Smith has quite obviously not released anything of value. Pave your own way.

You have not replicated Don Smith device. Why do you say he didnt release anything? You 6-20 cps discharge will never match 50khz.
I am sure you understand what 50khz spark discharge excited tank LC is?

Thats where the problem is. People DO NOT replicate device properly.. most of the times not even close to the setup-meant-to-be and then claim that it does not work and inventor is nobody. The problem is not the inventor the problem is you. So thats this much about technical part.

   I am not sure if this device is bs or not because I did not replicate it fully so I cant claim or say anything. Period.

Excemple: people claim stan meyers patents/device are crap... but none of them have a device or even close to device those patents describe. Why do they claim shit then?...

Regards Minde
 

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #441 on: November 09, 2010, 02:15:05 AM »
I'm sorry armagedn if I pre-concluded your setup to be based one Smith's, its just that from what I've seen from him, center-positioning of the primary is very important (as opposed to the popular tesla coil), in addition to reverse winding.

Aha okey, bifilar, then not to cancel the magnetic field but (as in tesla's patent) to increase the voltage/charge and thus the total energy the coil can store...
When trying to picture the circuit of your coil system it actually seems quite complex, since you have both bifilar, center tap and center positioning of primary coil. Its really an interesting idea, and just as interesting a result  :)

And before I repeat the same mistake I did earlier in one of your videos, I'm not that knowledgeable in this area, I'm just trying to learn all I can  ;D
Julian

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #442 on: November 09, 2010, 02:26:44 AM »
Actually minde it was I who connected armagedn into this tread as you of course know, he has a different point of view and I can understand that, because not everything is released on the info necessary to replicate Don's system.
But I have gotten the impression that there are some serious clues in what we have already, and I hope we can eventually get the whole picture, because Don Smith's work seems to unify a lot of other devices.

Experiment and learn, I gotta do that  :)
Julian

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #443 on: November 09, 2010, 02:37:56 AM »
Many many months ago, I remember having done some very close up looks at the Don Smith device and from what I can see, the outer coil winds are all in parallel at the bottom end of the winds. That outer wind should not be one or two coils. Putting each wind in parallel means the output will enjoy more amperage and still have high enough voltage depending on how highly reactive the primary field can be pulsed. There is no other way to produce any amperage with such a set-up unless you parallel the secondary. Each secondary wind will be catching enough voltage due to proximity and together they will generate some amperage.

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #444 on: November 09, 2010, 03:15:53 AM »
Actually minde it was I who connected armagedn into this tread as you of course know, he has a different point of view and I can understand that, because not everything is released on the info necessary to replicate Don's system.
But I have gotten the impression that there are some serious clues in what we have already, and I hope we can eventually get the whole picture, because Don Smith's work seems to unify a lot of other devices.

Experiment and learn, I gotta do that  :)
Julian

It's all good man really. I just find it strange when someone claims or says something without evidence or "HARD COPY" of inventors device and usually base his/her opinion on - "I think". Makes me wonder what position that person takes to claim/say that. Noone is all knowing. I would agree that not 100% of info was released by Don but lets recreate as much as was released. All changes might severely affect system perfomance and/or the whole concept/principle. 

Minde

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #445 on: November 09, 2010, 12:20:13 PM »
Hi, I'm new here and I'm trying to simulate a Don Smith Generator. Don't know if this eventually can be simulated but I try.

First I took the transmitter part of the generator to let it free run on it's self resonance by using a NST low amps high voltage to charge a capacitor. The spark gap works as a voltage limiter and kicks the LC circuit into resonance. So the frequency from the NST is not the resonance frequency, only a pump.
When this happens it is circulating amps in the MHz frequency (AC wave). Then the wave can be received in the L2a/b coils.
Let me know what you think...

Regards,
cognito

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #446 on: November 09, 2010, 08:14:21 PM »
I'm sorry armagedn if I pre-concluded your setup to be based one Smith's, its just that from what I've seen from him, center-positioning of the primary is very important (as opposed to the popular tesla coil), in addition to reverse winding.

Aha okey, bifilar, then not to cancel the magnetic field but (as in tesla's patent) to increase the voltage/charge and thus the total energy the coil can store...
When trying to picture the circuit of your coil system it actually seems quite complex, since you have both bifilar, center tap and center positioning of primary coil. Its really an interesting idea, and just as interesting a result  :)

And before I repeat the same mistake I did earlier in one of your videos, I'm not that knowledgeable in this area, I'm just trying to learn all I can  ;D
Julian

Hello,

You are correct in your conclusion, however I never claimed to be replicating smith. I cannot say I have EVER done a replication, like to do my own thing. 

This is not a smith device. However this and other videos I have give a good idea into how such technology works. But if smith knew what he claimed I seriously doubt. I own his book, seen his many publications, watched all of his video, and am quite competent in this area.

One serious clue to his cluelessness is the way he states on multiple occasions that the output of a neon sign transformer is OU in and of itself. This is CRAP and not true. The output voltage on the transformer uses peak to peak voltage not RMS. Peak to peak is important because we are interested in the breakdown voltage of the gas to be ionized (neon in this case) and if this measurement is used it will give incorrect output power measurements. If the voltage is converted to RMS, the power calculations come in well under unity. This is simple stuff, but he made this same mistake, calling this device OU over and over...If he cannot understand one simple, and incredibly important component of his systems, how do we expect him to understand power measurement in general.

Aside from this, on a phone conversation I had with Peter Lindemann once, the good Dr. informed me that to his knowledge nobody had ever successfully replicated any of his devices, and he runs in a crowd with very competent engineers who have tried Im sure.


As for my device. This style with the center placed primary is called a Kinkade coil. Tesla was also a pioneer in this style coil. Ungrounded the center placed primary will excite the lowest possible harmonic at half wave, rather than the quarter wave of the "Tesla coil" or quarter wave resonator. this creates a magnetic central peak, and electric peaks at each end of the coil.

The bifilar is chosen solely for its electrostatic purposes. The bifilar winding does nothing concerning canceling any flux, and is chosen only for its electrostatic component. It is designed around right hand rule circuitry concepts and was made to take an oscillating B field, and transduce it into two virtual electrical poles. Also this has no center tap. It is only a bifilar secondary with open ends, primary and signal generator, and a wire with foil and a diode inside.

Another large misconception in this are is the idea of reverse wound coils in a transformer configuration, some people claim flux canceling, which is crazy, and untrue. When an inductor creates a B field, the magnetic dipole created is shared between both conductors. If you reverse the windings of the secondary, it still shares the same dipole, still gets its energy in the same fashion, and its CEMF created will still oppose the primary no matter what orientation it has (reverse or regular), the only difference will be the polarity found on the output wires.

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #447 on: November 09, 2010, 08:37:11 PM »
Yes I am aware that there will still be bemf in reverse winding, as the polarity will only change.
With a center tap this can be used to make the middle ground or the negative part, and it has (as you also mentioned) a drastic effect on the type of wave we would otherwise get.

I have myself been thinking that there is a lot of self-contradictions in Don's papers, but I wonder if it is a way for him of speaking, which could send a message through to the builders without getting into financial or other forms of problems. Of course he is dead now, but (at least as he himself said) the reason for the proprietary stuff was because he wanted to raise enough capital to get it out.

I personally have no belief in that such a plan could ever work, as the two systems are totally opposite.
Greed do not like free, and money, power, sponsors, capitalism etc has its only motivation from the accumulation of wealth/power. So...... anyway. I believe there might be more to magnetic fields and and what reversing the coil in relation another could do, but as I said I don't have too much experience, but I am convinced for the moment  :)

Julian

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #448 on: April 01, 2011, 06:11:27 AM »
Hi All

Is anybody replicate this experiment?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jim3Q_k-K9Q&NR=1

Here I will save you the trouble of searching for the not described HV device, Don was random sometimes about this names, it is called "spark coil", also another guy I can't find on youtube replicated a tesla experiment with same device, he used to suck black ink proving some kind of force field predicted by the latter, the experimenter was in a wheel chair...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jim3Q_k-K9Q&NR=1

Hopefully I will find one of this at some point cheap enough
Best Regards

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #449 on: July 01, 2011, 08:03:01 PM »
"http://www.001-lab.com/001lab/index.php?topic=639.msg27686#msg27686"
A site in Russia, look at the page using "Google Chrome" and auto-translate it into
language of choice.

Tuning instructions are there. going to check this further.

"http://translate.google.com/"
Is useful to translate the document.