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Author Topic: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts  (Read 455118 times)

turbo

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #375 on: November 30, 2009, 11:41:42 PM »
Hi Peter  :)

There are some nice caps available over here and i can send you some if you need any.
Just let me know.

Or you can try to order here but i do not know how far they are shipping:
http://www.surpluselectronics.nl/

turbo

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #376 on: November 30, 2009, 11:46:32 PM »
And some elco's  :)


turbo

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #377 on: November 30, 2009, 11:49:17 PM »
one more  :)
Real nice one too   8)

Yucca

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #378 on: December 01, 2009, 01:30:50 AM »
Nice work so far Peter, will watch this like a hawk, looking forward to the powerup!

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #379 on: December 01, 2009, 02:32:33 PM »
Some of the caps in Marco's message 376 may be found in many a television or monitor.

forest

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #380 on: December 01, 2009, 08:50:21 PM »
Are the caps of Don Smith primary polarized ones or not ?

Yucca

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #381 on: December 01, 2009, 08:57:40 PM »
Are the caps of Don Smith primary polarized ones or not ?

In the tabletop device he shows on the video I think the primary caps are unpolarised.

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #382 on: December 01, 2009, 09:11:19 PM »
Are the caps of Don Smith primary polarized ones or not ?

@Forest
If you are planning on building one get caps from Custom Electronics like Don Smith has on his primary (also would fit secondary) . They are mica caps and seem to be one of the best cap type for frequency ranges 0~200khz. They are not cheap but quality and specs will suite this amplifier. Of course going for Mhz range nothing beats variable vacuum caps but... they are very expensive.

Minde

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #383 on: December 01, 2009, 09:20:06 PM »
I don't know if anybody noticed but his tabletop device secondary mimic primary. Strange.Do you have schematic of his NST ?

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #384 on: December 01, 2009, 10:50:07 PM »
Good fast fixed value caps are "doorknob capacitors", a search on ebay will give a few hits, they are fast and have very low ESR, ideal for high Q LC tanks. One of these paralleled with a variable vacuum for tuning would be pretty good I think, thats what HAM radio guys use.

edit: marcos photos contain a few doorknob caps.

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #385 on: December 04, 2009, 12:45:21 AM »
Hi everyone and it's good to hear some brains whirr  ??? over Don Smith's claims and devices (although I have not seen one working in any video appearances).
I myself have put together a few turns in coils (luckily, it's not something massive as in the case of Tesla Coil for producing lightning   8)  ) Also, a tip I found in M.Tulbury's 2008 book on design of TC with detailed excel spreadsheets and Micro-Cap modelling available at www.mhprofessional.com/tilbury/

I guess many of you have read PJK's account of Don's device in 'Practical Guide to Free-Energy Devices' Ch3. Below I just cut a quote from page 32:

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The exact wire length ratio of the turns in the "L1" and "L2" coils gives them an almost automatic synchronous tuning with each other, and the exact resonance between them can be achieved by the positioning of the "L1" coil along the length of the "L2" coil. While this is a perfectly good way of adjusting the circuit, in the 1994 build shown in the photograph, Don has opted to get the exact tuning by connecting a capacitor across "L1" as marked as "C" in the circuit diagram. Don found that the appropriate capacitor value for his particular coil build, was about 0.1 microfarad (100 nF) and so he connected two 47 nF highvoltage capacitors in parallel to get the value which he wanted. It must be remembered that the voltage across "L1" is very high, so if a capacitor is used in that position it will need a voltage rating of at least 9,000 volts. Don remarks that the actual capacitors seen in the photograph of this prototype are rated at fifteen thousand volts, and were custom made for him using a "self-healing" style of construction. As has already been remarked, this capacitor is an optional component.
Don also opted to connect a small capacitor across the "L2" coil, also for fine-tuning of the circuit, and that optional component is marked as "C2" in the circuit diagram and the value used by Don happened to be a single 47nF, 8,000 volt capacitor. As the two halves of the "L2" coil are effectively connected across each other, it is only necessary to have one fine-tuning capacitor for "L2"

Although there is a number of grey areas in the description, the main ones for me are
1. the spark gap (as the driver of the primary tank, and the frequency of oscillation depends on the gap characteristics as well as the tank capacitor),
2. the purpose of the bottom section of L2, (flux is mirrored or opposite to the top section against the grounding), and how to deal with voltage-current phase shift.
3. and so on and so on... ;)

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #386 on: December 04, 2009, 01:53:45 AM »
I feel that the mystery is hidden in primary circuit. It has to produce "radiant energy" in circumference of secondary coils. Neons are required then to tune it.
I'd agree with forest, from what I read the bang that agitates 'the ambient' must come from a HV disruptive discharge (in this case of the capacitor) into a line (or a loop). Somewhere in PJK's description of Don Smith's device, he mentions a tiny spark gap almost integrated with NPS. It seems to me, driving the primary tank with 4-9kV and 0.1uF capacitor discharge must produce more sparks than a tiny thing can handle.

In Tilbury's example, his TC spark gap is fed with 14kV 60Hz, and in order to produce oscillation in the area of 80kHz, he uses a rotary spark gap with 460 breaks per second (BPS). On the other hand, if you feed it with 31,5 kHz you still have to stick to the minimum BPS rate based on the ionisation time - though, with same TC parameters, you gain in power in the secondary.

I have put the BW's 3064 coil parameters as used by Don for the secondary, into the spreadsheets I mentioned above, it came up with 10MHz resonance frequency. If I half the coil (18 turns) and put 47nF as a terminal capacitor, the resonant frequency of L2 comes down to 243 kHz.

Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that whatever resonant frequency you choose in your secondary, the ambient  does not get disturbed visibly :o The important stage is to pull some power from the secondary, and with that catch some ambient oscillation  (or from the earth) turn it into oscillation of electrons in your circuit and add it on the output.
  ;) Simples

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #387 on: December 04, 2009, 12:06:12 PM »
I will propose something.Make a parallel resonant circuit like Don primary but when resonant frequency is set to low value for example 200 hz. Just a car induction coil  capacitor and a simple 12V driver to drive it at 2 harmonic of that resonant frequency.Use neon or your skin to see where the radiant energy is.
It should be quite easy at that frequency - it will be around car coil output wire end like a spherical shield and additionally it will be around any conductor of circuit like invisible St.Elmo's fire.
Another way to see it is using AC detector. I've found that plasma globe emits  this field up to 2 meters around while at 0.5 m from it there is invisible wall (my detector has ability to sense metal edge and thus it reacts to this wall like it would be solid)

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #388 on: December 04, 2009, 01:34:17 PM »
Interesting, although IMHO, it's not the radiant energy from plasma what you pick up with the AC detector, but EMF from coils (kick me - it could be the same thing :D  - the excited ambient).   

But I think if I get AC at 400 Hz on the car ignition coil HV out and feed it in a copper bar/thick coil, I would not get any 'shockwave' or static field out of it, since that thick thing is a short circuit for the ignition coil secondary at that frequency and it doesn't pump enough power.

If we talk about a resonance - it may take a lot of copper for 200-400 Hz coil. One can get away with a much shorter wire length with a large capacitor, but the (Q)uality of that LCR will be very low so that one will not see "the resonance" or know which harmonic frequency is picked by the AC detector.

That's for the "exciter" of ambient.

My understanding is that picking up and converting ambient energy to a useful form (electrical) requires coupling the "picker" with earth (or air - Tesla's electric car had a 6ft whip from a reference I can't quote at the mo').

in the attached pic from D.Smith's presentation, I see some explanation of the effect: two metal plates with a dielectric in between, fed with pulsing HV thru a gap from Don's side, and excite "something" on the other side with an earth wire creating a gap with the plate - same size spark to the earth  ???

turbo

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #389 on: December 04, 2009, 11:18:19 PM »
 
But I think if I get AC at 400 Hz on the car ignition coil HV out and feed it in a copper bar/thick coil, I would not get any 'shockwave' or static field out of it, since that thick thing is a short circuit for the ignition coil secondary at that frequency and it doesn't pump enough power.


It does if you stick in a high voltage diode (or enough 1Kv types in series) right after the ignition coil...
Think in terms like spark can go out, but not in.
Then you pull a big spark to some (free, not connected) metal rod and then you can already feel the radiant energy in the environment.

Marco.