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Author Topic: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts  (Read 453357 times)

bolt

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #150 on: September 01, 2009, 01:32:43 PM »
Once you have made a top hat collector for your plasma ball you will find it will become a Tesla transmitter in it own right and amplifier the plasma signal and the entire room will become charged!

Another coil several feet way of same size, wire, turns and cap will pick up this energy and power a bulb.:)

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #151 on: September 01, 2009, 02:27:58 PM »
Hi Bolt!

You seem to know a bit about Tesla transmitters - here a video i made with a transmitter and 3 receiver coils.  Like you said, the whole room gets charged when i turn on the coil  ;)
Heres a video (sorry to everyone else - they are the same vids i posted before)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MS5TSZC3nEM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyfsnxCFU_Y

But I'm having trouble lighting anything except CFLs and small diode torches.  havent managed a typical bulb (yet).  Ive got 3 receiver coils - none of which are the same as my transmitter - they all contain less turns than the transmitter secondary, but 2 have the same wire thickness.  Any suggestions?  Or OU short cuts?  :D  Perhaps my receiver coils need more turns of wire?  Perhaps my receiver coils should have double the number of turns as the transmitter?  These are all things I plan to try out as soon as I get the chance - havent been able to recently thanks to family responsibilities.

Cheers mate!  Its great fun to play with!  Any advice with number of turns for receivers, or size of wire, would be greatly appreciated.

Oh, also i noted that the CFLs worked really well when they were touching that large piece of iron on the floor, which is connected to the receivers with a long wire.  Would changing this large piece of iron for something even bigger (say the central heating pipes in my flat) make any difference?  I wanted to try this last week, but was still a little scared of the neighbours getting electric shocks - most of my neighbours are rather old, and i didnt want a coronary on my conscience!

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #152 on: September 01, 2009, 05:34:44 PM »
@xeno

Hi
I found the reference to the secondary capacitor in Don's stuff, he said 6kv 0.5uF

It does look quiet long in the video so i guess that would match up as he had it especially made.

Peter
PS i have just ordered the most amazing LCR meter for £49
http://uk.farnell.com/motech/tl-08b/lcr-meter-test-clamp-4-pole/dp/1307958

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #153 on: September 01, 2009, 06:33:37 PM »
Thank you Bolt.  What you say seems to fit and makes sence.  I know very little about circuits but I'm making progress in that.   After completly digesting all your input I'm sure I'll have questions but for now it needs to sink in my head.  Thank you again. 

xenomorphlabs

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #154 on: September 01, 2009, 07:07:17 PM »
@xeno

Hi
I found the reference to the secondary capacitor in Don's stuff, he said 6kv 0.5uF

It does look quiet long in the video so i guess that would match up as he had it especially made.

Peter
PS i have just ordered the most amazing LCR meter for £49
http://uk.farnell.com/motech/tl-08b/lcr-meter-test-clamp-4-pole/dp/1307958

6 kv okay, well not excessively much voltage in the secondary coil then.
THE LCR-Meter is really nice (0,159 μH seems to be the lowest measurement range) Ordinary ones dont go that low, but this is exactly what is needed for this kind of devices.

Keep it up

Paul-R

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #155 on: September 01, 2009, 07:52:49 PM »

If you add a 4 turns collector top hat coil and add a microwave oven cap you have made a tuned circuit

*** microwave oven capacitors ***

Don't forget that they usually have 1 megohm resistor connected across the poles.

Peterae

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #156 on: September 01, 2009, 09:49:50 PM »
xeno
I'm well chuffed with that meter for the price, it measures caps real accurately, Q and reactance values on the coila as well as ESR for caps.

Capacitance to 0.001 pf
Inductance to 0.001uH
impedance to 0.001Ohm



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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #157 on: September 01, 2009, 11:52:13 PM »
Hi everybody,

Capanaze talked about "resonator". Audin has also resonator and according to this pictures in attachmen in points "P" and "P'" is maximal current and at the end of the coils "S" and "S'" is maximal voltage wich actually corespondates with mr. Smith!

See ya!

Peterae

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #158 on: September 02, 2009, 12:41:36 PM »
OK what seems too good to be true is too good to be true LOL
My meter arrived today and wasnt a meter it was a set of crock clips DOH.

So sent them back, and ordered a similar meter from china, same features bit less accuracy .

I have bits arriving on a daily basis at the moment, but still waiting for my diodes and HV wire from china.

Peter

Yucca

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #159 on: September 03, 2009, 06:42:48 AM »
Peter, lol I thought that price was very cheap especially for farnell, I looked at the link and it looked like the LCR meter, especially as that is what was pictured? but reading again you must have just got the 4pole test clamp.

I´ve been busy with other stuff for a few days but plan to start more experiments with the coils I´ve built so far.

I read a few posts back that your thinking (due to reading smiths writing) that the primary needs frequency matching to the natural resonance of the secondary.

Here´s a nice vid of finding the working resonance of a T coil secondary, you may well have seen this already. The guy even hangs a wire of the top toroid to simulate the extra capacitance caused by extending streamers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Euy2U92I8e4

Of course I wont need to simulate streamers but I´ll try the same trick of just connecting the coil base to my signal genearator +v and leave the gnd clip unconnected and then stand a free scope probe next to it (which will probably even still skew resonance frequency?). This way I will try and find working (natural) resonance including capacitive, resistive and inductive elements of all secondary components.

I will also check for resonance of just the coil with the bridge disconnected, which I think maybe the true meaning of natural resonance of a coil in strict RF terms with only capacitive element provided by surrounding air, useful for antenna design.

One question is do we check for resonance with all components in working position, including sliding the unpowered primary into position?

It´s too late now to do it but I´ll probably get round to it tomorrow.

Peterae

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #160 on: September 03, 2009, 10:13:29 AM »
Hi Yucca
Good stuff, it will be interesting to see what sort of figures you come out with for the resonance.

It's difficult for me to understand what Don says, he says match the secondary wire length to a quarter of the primary length if i have understood this correctly, and that when this is the case you shouldnt need much capacitance for tuning as they will be pretty close tuned, but then in the pictures we see large caps LOL and then with the device i am building we have 2 secondaries, 1 with a large cap and 1 without.

So the secondaries without the cap will i presume resonate at the fundamental frequency, but then what is the other secondary and primary frequency set to.

I also wonder what happens to the nautral resonance frequency of the coil that doesnt have a cap when a diode is connected to the final cap bank.
 

Yer the meter documents pulled the wool over my eyes, it's dam obvious really i wasn't getting a meter with regard to price DOH.

I was going to use a spark plug for my spark gap, but it looks like there maybe an internal resistor and rf noise suppression component built in these days.

Peter




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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #161 on: September 03, 2009, 12:39:19 PM »
@lobo
What book are the pages you sent from?
Can you please post a link to it?

Regards

Paul-R

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #162 on: September 03, 2009, 02:44:01 PM »

Don's plasma ball "top hat" coil device.

In a recent entry to Chapter 3, (version: 19 August 2009) Patrick K mentions that the input device needs to have a variable frequency facility, this being adjusted to get best result.

Page 22 onwards:
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapter3.pdf

Paul-R

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #163 on: September 03, 2009, 03:16:32 PM »
Hi Yucca
Good stuff, it will be interesting to see what sort of figures you come out with for the resonance.

It's difficult for me to understand what Don says, he says match the secondary wire length to a quarter of the primary length if i have understood this correctly, and that when this is the case you shouldnt need much capacitance for tuning as they will be pretty close tuned, but then in the pictures we see large caps LOL and then with the device i am building we have 2 secondaries, 1 with a large cap and 1 without.

So the secondaries without the cap will i presume resonate at the fundamental frequency, but then what is the other secondary and primary frequency set to.

I also wonder what happens to the nautral resonance frequency of the coil that doesnt have a cap when a diode is connected to the final cap bank.
 

Yer the meter documents pulled the wool over my eyes, it's dam obvious really i wasn't getting a meter with regard to price DOH.

I was going to use a spark plug for my spark gap, but it looks like there maybe an internal resistor and rf noise suppression component built in these days.

Peter

Peter,

If you want to get a plug with guaranteed no resistor in it then go to some place that sells or services garden equipment with engines in like mowers, chainsaws etc. The small plugs for these engines always have no resistor. You can also get them off ebay UK or US "small engine plug". These small plugs are what smith used. I'll check back in tonight with my findings about resonance conditions.

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #164 on: September 03, 2009, 03:31:11 PM »
Hi Yucca
Good stuff, it will be interesting to see what sort of figures you come out with for the resonance.

It's difficult for me to understand what Don says, he says match the secondary wire length to a quarter of the primary length if i have understood this correctly, and that when this is the case you shouldnt need much capacitance for tuning as they will be pretty close tuned, but then in the pictures we see large caps LOL and then with the device i am building we have 2 secondaries, 1 with a large cap and 1 without.

So the secondaries without the cap will i presume resonate at the fundamental frequency, but then what is the other secondary and primary frequency set to.

I also wonder what happens to the nautral resonance frequency of the coil that doesnt have a cap when a diode is connected to the final cap bank.


Peter,
yeah that price was too nice to be true hehe for the LCR meter.
Glad to see you frowning about exactly that questions too ;)
Really hard to understand how 2 secondaries like that concretely
interact with each other.
I said it before, if that could be simulated it would help understand the physical processes, but unfortunately it cant (except if you are a SPICE genius). So it can be only measured.
That Hewlett Packard HV/HF devices would be nice to have :)

The diodes seem to have the function to create positive sinusoidal DC in both primary and secondary circuit
Hard to tell how they would influence the oscillation.
A comparable diode arrangement that i managed to simulate so far is looking really bizarre to say the least.

Have you considered really getting lightning arresters like Don uses?

@Yucca: Nice ideas !