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Author Topic: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts  (Read 413445 times)

Offline Yucca

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #120 on: August 26, 2009, 01:44:11 AM »
  :o Still rolling around laughing  ;D

I look at these as an investment and if i ever needed to i guess i could resale them when i am done.

I like the idea of your cap bank, we may need something like this to find the value of the 2 mystery components in parallel, as well as tuning the primary and secondary coils.
What i am not yet sure is if he tuned 1 half of the secondary to the primary or the whole secondary, just seems strange he has the cap across one half in the device i am trying to build, i will try to do more ball park calcs today to see if it throws up some figures to work this out.

Are you in a position to move your primary coil realative to the secondary.

It's interesting the earth is making a difference.

keep up the good work, it sure is interesting.

Peter

peter, yes buy those caps, If I still lived in UK I would! as you say always handy for other experiments.

I've been thinking about primary secondary tuning too. I first thought that a full bridge between L and C would kill resonance and just make a fully damped sink. But from experimentation I realise that the L does still see the C but it seems dynamic, that is to say the circuit shows resonance that is related to the charge on the output C, Secondary oscillation appears to increase as the output cap reaches peak voltage. With smiths massive output caps they are always hungry until full and  so maybe we can consider the secondary as a pure sink? So maybe only the primary needs tuning to a freq that is related to some oscillation occuring elsewhere, maybe it a high harmonic of schumann resonance, I dont know?

I have seen one weird thing about the circuit Im running, it appears more efficient when I ground the positive side of the bridge, its totally against what I presumed, I thought grounding the -ve side of the bridge would be best but no, a clear increase in performance when I ground the +v side of the bridge and output cap, weird!

Ive got a long way to go in understanding this circuit, I'm used to digital stuff and you know where you stand with that, 1 or 0. This thing seems alive with uncharted depths, it will be good to have other experimenters collecting more empirical data.

Offline Peterae

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #121 on: August 26, 2009, 09:46:11 AM »
Hi Yucca
I have a lot to learn and struggle with Resonant circuits and ac theory, i was originally trained in microelectronics, so give me logic any day  ;D also.

Not sure what country you are in but there was quiet a few HV caps for sale on ebay so probably quiet common across the world.

I never got a reply from Florida about the primary caps, i guess they are a big defense contractor and dont bother with the likes of little old me  :'(

Still i have a bag of large 1uF 1600v caps so will go for 5 in series to get the 0.2uf value.

Yesterday when i plugged some guesstimates into the secondary half winding of 20 turns with a 0.5uf it came out about 47khz, but the primary comes out much higher.

I was going to try tuning the primary and secondary using lower value caps and use my dip meter to get them resonant near the same freq then switch to the proper cap values, but now i dont think the primary freq is the same as the secondary.
Once i have the coil built i can get some hands on uH values and work from there i guess.

It is interesting that you say the resonant freq changes depending on the charge of the final cap, that would mean it would take a while to get up to a working condition, bit like the tpu winding up if it relied on a certain freq, but if any old final freq would do then it would have gain all the time during power up.

I wonder if the 2 unknown components then allow the coil with the cap to see part of the main cap bank also to make the tuning dynamic on that winding also.

Has anyone ever witnessed these devices being powered up?

Peter

Offline xenomorphlabs

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #122 on: August 26, 2009, 01:27:57 PM »
Very nice what you guys are doing. This is finally going beyond theoretic discussion )
I am also no nuclear scientist, so my assumptions/statements can be wrong.
I have a hard time finding the words to describe exactly what i mean, i`ll try.
Yucca you say that your L "sees" the c on the secondary side.
I am not sure about how you actually wired everything. You have a schematic of your particular set-up now?
The secondary circuit will let`s call it "passively" follow the alternating currents happening due to the oscillation on the primary side and thereby also charge up the cap in one direction of the diode bridge.
Now the big question is if that is an actual "active" oscillation excited by the magnetic coupling to the primary.
The resonant circuit is not exciting itself because the diodes prevent a  "backswing" from the cap, just a new excitation from the primary will push it again.

Will a diode across the secondary in your circuit kill an "active" oscillation (that could go into resonance) by not allowing the bi-directional current flow to and from the cap ?
And does it matter at all to have the device function as intended ?

In Smith`s schematic, there is only an oscillation between half of the secondary and the cap aross that half. That seems to pump the big cap bank to a positive potential in a pulsed/sinusoidal DC-manner.

We must find a way to simulate this in spice or similar  ???
The longer i look at the circuit the more exotic ideas i get about it lol.
If only half of a coil is in resonance, what happens in the other half ?
 ;D
Also keeping in mind what Smith talked about the separation of the electromagnet (coil) into 2 parts according to his personal definition.
One "magnetic" and one "electric". Now it seems that he only puts the "magnetic" part (with the greater amperage) in resonance and NOT the "electric" part (with the greater voltage) separated by the center tap.
I always wondered why his devices are called "magnetic resonant" ;)
« Last Edit: August 26, 2009, 02:54:02 PM by xenomorphlabs »

Offline Peterae

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #123 on: August 26, 2009, 10:19:19 PM »
Hi xeno

I think we are all guilty of making assumptions/statements, it's the only way forward when we have a device we don't understand and have a series of clues to tag together.

We all see a device slightly different, this can be a good thing as it may mean one of us gets close.

I myself am not good at the theory side of things, but i love building, so the best i can do is try tests and document in the hope someone brighter than me can come to a conclusion.

Something interesting i have noticed with the clear picture you gave us, the coil is new, the bottom chipboard is new, Don made a cover up SM style, and may have wrecked the coil and bottom board in the process.

One thing you learn with spray paint is that you never try painting a component with a spray can when there is stuff nearby, because it dont matter how carefull you are the fine spray particles go everwhere.

now you know the 2 mystery components, well they are battleship grey, now if you look around at different things like the terminal strip you see signs of this battleship grey everywhere, apart from the coil, smaller caps and bottom board, so he originally was trying to cover up their identity.

It maybe a mind game, when we are trying to replicate something and we cant identify a component we are much more likely to not succeed because we immediately blame the component we cannot identify.

I am going to guess they are just high value resistors, and their purpose is to bleed the caps when off, as you wouldnt want 2500 left on them for any time incase someone decided to touch the device a day later and got fried.
they may also give a small dc bias for some reason as well.

Guess B
There appears a sign of some black showing through in 2 places and if so logic might point towards 2 more diodes.

Peter

Offline stprue

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #124 on: August 27, 2009, 04:57:46 PM »
@yucca

Any new news on your set up.  I think it's great!  I have recently read The Free Energy Secrets of Cold Electricity and am now hooked on radiant energy collection. 

Offline Yucca

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #125 on: August 27, 2009, 07:45:56 PM »
@yucca

Any new news on your set up.  I think it's great!  I have recently read The Free Energy Secrets of Cold Electricity and am now hooked on radiant energy collection.

Hi sptrue & all,

I've got some experiments planned, and I'll make a vid about the findings, stay tuned! I will try and split the bridge into two seperate pairs of parallel diodes (presuming as peter says those grey components are other diodes) like the picture of smiths device and then run two secondary halves through it, this should force half wave oscillation because its setting up two seperate quarter waves about the centre tap.

My device as Ive played with it at the moment has a flavour very similar to Dr Stifflers SEC exciter only in a higher powered mode. It definitely seems to suck electrons from ground, and into the +ve side of the bridge, the difference in efficiency is not slight it is VERY pronouced like 3 times as efficient when +ve node is grounded.

I would love to make some data logger with a microphone to listen to the output gap because I'm now also thinking that the device shows greater efficiency during dawn and dusk, another weird thing. My flyback supply runs real cool, transistor only gets to maybe 50C and so I could run it for several days and look for common behavioural changes through the day, if I see them then its an indicator that the device is interacting with the larger scale environment which is a good sign.

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #126 on: August 27, 2009, 08:31:47 PM »
Hi Yucca,

Just for your information  - TT Brown found that the electrogravitic effect varied in power according to the time of day or night (I read this in Gerry Vasilatos' book ''Lost Science'').  Definitely worth looking into....

Anyway, good luck mate!

Offline Peterae

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #127 on: August 27, 2009, 09:29:29 PM »
Also time of year and when it was pointed to a certain constellation, but cannot remember which constellation

@Yucca
You could record the sound into a wav and then use free spectrum analysis software, bit like some have done on the tpu noises.

You can buy sound recorders here in the uk real cheap that download via usb.

Peter

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #128 on: August 27, 2009, 09:55:13 PM »
The coil in the clear picture xeno gave us is different to the coil in the poorer pictures the larger outer tube doesnt over hang in the poor pictures, and i keep trying to count the turns in the clear picture and keep comming out at 19 each half, also it looks to me that there is no gap between both half windings in the poor pictures, but the clear pictures there is a 3 turn gap, i am wondering if he took 1 turn off the middle of each coil to tune the new coil.
Or maybe a gap in the middle is beneficial.

Peter

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #129 on: August 28, 2009, 05:25:22 PM »
xeno

Can i ask how you got the value and rating of the secondary cap, as it is still not clear enough to read in the best picture we have.

The reason i ask is that all the caps i have been looking at for 0.5uf 8kv are massive.

Cheers,
Peter

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #130 on: August 29, 2009, 06:37:11 AM »
I have built two Don Smith devices.  I get readings of volts and amps on meter with one device (plasma globe), the other I got nothing but I didn't follow all Don's specs(dipole generator).  I know very little about electronics but feel Don's devices can be very powerful.  I remember him saying the more rapid the spark gets the closer the load matches the generator.  Or maybe Tesla said that.  He invented and patented a similar device with huge outputs.  Anyway someone on this form was discussing the time between spark discharges changing on their unit.  Hope this helps. 
I also remember Don talking a lot about photomultipliers so I googled it and after a little research this thing sure looks a lot like overunity.  They multiply one electron into 100 million electrons using only small power supply, they're used in night vision devices, old automatic headlight dimmers among others.  I bought Don's dvd and on it he describes a few devices and shows the camera a close up view of a neon power supply and says to look at the input and output ratings right on the nameplate.  The input watts are lower than the output.  His point was that overunity devices are all around us, we just do not realize it.  I ordered the neon power supply, mine is "NeonPro" and damn if it isn't overunity.  The input is 110v @0.5 amp that should be 60 watts.   The output is stated at 5000v @ I forget the miliamps but it calculated to 150 watts output.  This guy is for real and I just wish I knew more about electronics so I could SAFELY continue. 

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #131 on: August 29, 2009, 08:10:09 AM »
I hope you are right!  I have a 150 W output Neon Sign Transformer in my Tesla Coil, and i'd love to find out it is already an OU machine!!!!

It would certainly save me a lot of bother!

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #132 on: August 29, 2009, 09:05:56 AM »
Here is what BW was referring to.

I am working on solutions for just this cause but a little more complex than this using specialized crystals, Light trapping Crystals, Light Amplification Crystals, Photovoltaic Crystals all in one layering to greatly amplify Photons for the production of electricity produced in the Photo chain reactions with the LASED Crystals.

the dynodes below are electroplated with Gallium Arsenide.

Jerry ;)

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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #133 on: August 29, 2009, 02:28:44 PM »
xeno

Can i ask how you got the value and rating of the secondary cap, as it is still not clear enough to read in the best picture we have.

The reason i ask is that all the caps i have been looking at for 0.5uf 8kv are massive.

Cheers,
Peter

Peter,
i have a 10kV cap here that is is rated 10nF that looks exactly the same size-wise like the one in Smith`s device. So you are absolutely right that
a 0.5 uF one would be much bigger.
I will look through the tons of data i have collected about Smith to find that quote and let you know if i should find it.

@bw: Great to hear that you already attempted to replicate a Smith Device !
Your input is well appreciated here as well as anyone`s constructive input so we can realize a working replication :)

Smith also states something peculiar about the dimmer on his Neon Tube Transformer, that if he reduces the voltage for the transformer with the dimmer the amperage in his whole device can go up more than the device can handle, so that is melts ?! Very interesting hehe.
I have ordered myself a 9kV 30mA NST with a dimmer on it. Let`s see if i can melt stuff with it :D


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Re: Magnetic Resonance Devices based on Don Smith Concepts
« Reply #134 on: August 29, 2009, 03:12:08 PM »
Hi xeno
Thanks for looking this up for me, i have seen a 0.05 10kv which may well fit the size we are looking at.

Almost finished gluing my first secondary together, i think the size is too big, i ended up 3.25 inches diameter DOH
Total Length 11.25 Inches with a 3 turn gap between each 20 turns.

I used 14swg wire for the coils, but think this is too thick compared to your photo's so i will make another secondary and try to aim for 3 inch outer coil dia using 16swg wire.

Dip meter showed res at 3.51Mhz using a 100pf cap for the 20 turn coil, I couldn't determine how accurate the cap was as i have 2 meters and each meter read differently.

To me the dimmer looks seperate in the clear photo and is on the end of the radioshack 12vdc to 125vac inverter , not sure if the bertonee transformer also had a dimmer built in, i have found very little info on this original transformer.

Shouldn't be too long before i'm also melting things  ;D

Peter