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Author Topic: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER  (Read 381441 times)

Offline wattsup

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #225 on: October 31, 2010, 09:10:00 PM »
@TH

Well it was one hell of a jam session. At one point we were jamming and I just kept leading on the guitar and then went to the microphone and started improvising some lyrics on the universe, power, being one, then at one point I just repeated the word one, one, one and the music just synced into a major outburst of great abstract intonations, as if the whole band reached some level of musical overunity. Next time I will set up a video camera and do a few youtubes. I never bother learning songs off by heart. Jamming for me is the most instant expression of what your soul wants to say in musical form. Learning it off by heart just renders the music more clinical in nature and none of us are there to peddle prepacked sound waves. It's all great fun. We will try to do this monthly from now on.

About your two images, that's funny cause that is exactly what happens. Start a fight and both get knocked down.

OK, since you did not mention anything about the percentages you put up, I understand they should be self-explanatory. Yes one test can show a level while the other shows another level and between them they show a percentage increase (or decrease). We know that. The question is, what is the real importance of this? Usually, under differing conditions we already expect different results. That does not imply an increase but simply shows the normal result under that new condition. An "increase" would be considered if conditions were the same, say, the S2 had 10 turns then tired with an S2 of 100 turns, then comparing the differences. Anyways, I guess that is left to interpretations.

Also, then let me simply ask you some questions here that are issues to the BITT that have not gotten any response from you yet. These questions will hopefully simplify your needing to mull over past posts and figure out what has not been covered.

1) We can see a difference between the diagram you use to explain the effects and the actual BITT build itself. Especially we can note that the primary core is not centered to the inner O core but lying on top of it. So how do you think this deviation from the diagram effects the actual results seen thus far? Do you think better results would be obtained if the primary core was centered?

2) In your explanations using the diagram after you switch from Test 1, 2, 3 then 4 you are showing flux flow but usually in one direction when in fact with AC that flux flow leaving the primary should be switching between each end of the primary core. So the flux travel should be looked at from both sides. Does this change how you see the flux paths when the S1/S2 test variations were performed?

3) In your last video BITT 4.1 Supplemental at Stardate 3110-2010  (lol) ,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_f4ZPXwHue4
Did you manage to take down what the feed supply was to the standard transformer primary when the output hit 10 volts? 

4) The S2 that is connected to the bulb has many turns on it that make me think they are there for no additional output purposes, simply given the output level. What do you think would happen if that secondary, instead of being one coil of x turns, was instead 10 coils of x turns, wound one beside the other, either hooked up all parallel, or some series then in parallel?

5) While the bulb is lit, have you ever tried just manually hit the wires of the S1 coil on and off to see how the S2 bulb will vary in intensity? This could also be better seen with a dioded cap on the load since it will catch and retain any higher voltage spikes while pulsing manually the S1.

That's all I have to ask. Have a good Halloween.

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #225 on: October 31, 2010, 09:10:00 PM »

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #226 on: November 01, 2010, 06:35:59 PM »
 Wattsup

I understand the jamming fun, I used to get into that, and have even generated some "free energy" lyrics myself, from inspired moments.

I have been trying to model this BITT device to find the main working principal in it's design. The only thing that makes sense is having the primary sending it's flux in two directions down a core that holds a lot of flux and at the same time, delays the flux as much as possible.
Once the flux is heading down a path from the center out towards the secondaries, the primary is then removed. At this point the flux cannot return because of the opposing flux vectors in the core, and must proceed through the secondaries even without further push from the primary.

It seems that the 90 degree phase angle is the required component of OU operation. This is not necessarily generated by the BITT but is a requirement for the BITT to operate in OU. I'm saying that for the BITT to be OU, one must have an exact design that will cause a 90 degree phase shift between the primary and the secondaries. The load itself may then work against this phase shift to cause the device to drop below OU.
It may be possible to bypass this problem by powering the BITT with an AC phase inverter, so the frequency could also be controlled. Then when the phase angle starts to fall from 90 degrees, the frequency would be increased to correct the phase angle.

 


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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #227 on: November 01, 2010, 11:58:36 PM »
TH
OK this may be a dumb question.... but please tell me - does this only show possible OU results with AC input?    Can you show us some DC input results or tell us why it must have AC input?

Thanks

Bill

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #227 on: November 01, 2010, 11:58:36 PM »
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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #228 on: November 02, 2010, 04:23:15 AM »
TH
OK this may be a dumb question.... but please tell me - does this only show possible OU results with AC input?    Can you show us some DC input results or tell us why it must have AC input?

Thanks

Bill

You need an alternating current, or type of pusled DC for a transformer to work otherwise you just saturate the core and nothing happens

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #229 on: November 02, 2010, 09:47:11 AM »
Transformer can work both with pulsed DC "Flyback" or normaly (with AC sinusoidal input). Every signal that does'nt correspond to a pure sinusoid tend to induce a lot of harmonics, look at some oscilloscope when you pulse a coil with DC, you notice some spike and weird signals. Those harmonics tend to overheat the transformer core. A transformer work the best (in term of efficiency) with pure AC input. With DC, like said above, you just saturate the core and burn watts.

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« Reply #229 on: November 02, 2010, 09:47:11 AM »
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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #230 on: November 14, 2010, 12:32:16 PM »
It seems this concept has already studied in 1994, look at this:
http://www.alternativkanalen.com/ph-machine.html
Here some image of this site:
So, an indirect proof of the validity of this concept ?
Edit: For information, a site with different devices of Alexander Frolov:
http://atl2.netfirms.com/engy/frolov.htm

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #231 on: December 02, 2010, 11:47:34 AM »
Where did everyone go?  ??? Just wondering if anyone is still trying to replicate this? Any updates?

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #232 on: December 03, 2010, 04:41:06 AM »
TH
OK this may be a dumb question.... but please tell me - does this only show possible OU results with AC input?    Can you show us some DC input results or tell us why it must have AC input?
Thanks
Bill
The other are correct with their answers above:  Transformers and RF choke coils, for example, work with AC inputs.
However, the Joule Thief thread was started on the premise that a battery powers the circuit on startup.  The DC powers an oscillator, inherently, and then the resulting AC can be harvested for BEMF/CEMF as desired from some coil arrangement.  Diode(s) can rectify the AC to recharge the battery for OU, ideally and if possible.

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #233 on: December 04, 2010, 05:56:46 PM »
In Thane's video:  A proof is a proof.  What kind of proof?  It's a proof.  A proof is a proof.  And when you have a good proof,  it's because it's proven. 

   There you have it.  Good enough for me :D 

    I think anyone who can see his own work with a sense of humor is way above the crowd. 

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #233 on: December 04, 2010, 05:56:46 PM »
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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #234 on: December 07, 2010, 01:17:15 AM »
LOL a proof ? If in his video, if he load heavly the two secondaries and the power factor does'nt change in the primary, this is a good proof no ? In a conventional trafo if you load secondary the PF of the primary tend to one. I saw in his video the PF doesn't change loaded or not, so the primary stay reactive in all situation loaded or not... I have reread the topic specially Thane affirmation: he said the two flux cancel each others in the yoke 3, so in the two secondaries remain only the flux of the primary but the Lenz effect is redirected between the two secondaries, so the secondaries cannot interfere with primary anymore...

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #235 on: December 07, 2010, 09:44:27 PM »
If i may speak, though foreigner to such a thread and not wanting to make a fuss, from my so far experimentation, i have personally concluded, that in transformers inductive action, its not about an action (a magnetic flux) that creates a re-action (from a coil) hence enforcing the lenz's law, rather than Primary's flux is "consumed" from receiving coils, thus system no matter how smart designed is always underunity.

Or to put another way, magnetic flux can be considered as energy. (something distant but like electricity) If it is "consumed" on pick coils, then flux is removed from system or energy.

My proof
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I have extensive experience with Perepiteia setup. This demonstrates the fact beutifully.
Also in other setups. Take a Tesla coil. Put a receiving coil and short circuit it. The only energy withdrawn from the system is that caused from resistance of the current that flows from the shorted coil. (unoticeable)

If you put a load, even though restricts the "Lenz's law opposing current", you have an obvious decrease in Tesla's coil performance (due to load)
For my its not about flux cancelation rather flux consumption.
That's my view.

Conclusions are yours.

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #236 on: December 10, 2010, 03:18:52 AM »

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #237 on: December 29, 2010, 05:36:46 PM »
LOL a proof ? If in his video, if he load heavly the two secondaries and the power factor does'nt change in the primary, this is a good proof no ? In a conventional trafo if you load secondary the PF of the primary tend to one. I saw in his video the PF doesn't change loaded or not, so the primary stay reactive in all situation loaded or not...
Hi All,
My name is Teo and I have graduated Electrical Engineering, but did not practice since 15-20 years ago. I have decided lately to focus again on this profession and update myself. I am prepared to start testing the device of Master Thanes. Yes, it is a master in my opinion after I have read its patent and all discussions of this forum so far.
Before starting to learn and test the device, I would like to espress an opinion beforehand and you guys please correct me if I am wrong (I am sure somewhere I am wrong in what I am going to say, but I will take your comments, keep my mouth shut and learn).   
So, here it is:
I think the issue here is about measurement standards we all use (including the energy companies).
Resistive input power maybe is almost zero as explained by Master Thanes. So, primary coil with PF zero would not consume current from the input source. But what if other kind of power is consumed? Maybe an inductive power? Maybe a capacitive power?
I think in general the resistive input power (which in our case is almost zero in the patent) is the power that makes the counter to run and our energy bill to increase, because (in general) a current occurs in the primary coil. M Thanes arranged the invention as to not occur any or almost very low level of currents in primary coil. But if inductive or capacitive power is consumed (instead of  resistive power) I am afraid the counter does not increase and the energy bill remains zero (but this is why we all have to thank Master Thanes !!! ).     
The brilliant (genius) ideea of Master Thanes is the cancelling effect of Back Electromagnetic Force (BEMF) so as the classical transformer effect to be cancelled when a resistive load is applied in secondary coil(s). Therefore, we have a secondary circuit which a magnetic flux is passed through and this fact can be exploited if a resistive load is applied to secondary coil(s). The output power looks like a resistive one and this counts as a power that can be measured successfully by a wattmetter. In conclusion, resistive output power (whatever that may be) is higher than the input resistive power (almost zero - ok, let's accept the small resistor formed by the wire of primary coil plus the resistor represented by the source, but both added resulted a small figure), so we have over unity.
I mean, over unity measured in terms of "resistive" power.
However, what if inductive and/or capacitive power are/is not counted for?
Will we still have over unity?
The answer is: it depends on what is the reference (if resistive power is the reference, then yes, we have over unity) .     
« Last Edit: December 29, 2010, 07:43:52 PM by te2000 »

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #238 on: December 30, 2010, 11:42:33 AM »
After studying more, plus reading the forum more carefuly, plus reading the tests of Master Thane, ... the conclusion is I have to study more.
Therefore, please disregard my previous input. 

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #239 on: February 02, 2011, 10:35:50 AM »
@thane,

Congratulations on the wonderful work with the Bitt and Regenerative coils.

I would like to replicate your generator, but I am have a hard time understanding the diff between
your two coil types and their placement within the generator.

Any advice, greatly appreciated.

Regards, Penno


 

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