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Author Topic: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER  (Read 405111 times)

Offline wayne49s

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #240 on: February 22, 2011, 04:17:14 PM »
@Thane

Hi,

I looked over some of the videos and noticed the loads were always small and was wondering how the power gain characteristics would vary with more secondary load, say consuming a few hundred watts.

I'm also wondering why the no load primary current is so large. BITT 4.0 indicates about .725A. Normal transformer winding reactance on the primary should reduce it to a fraction of that, irrespective of the PF. In a previous (BITT1.0?), it indicates .003A at 105V primary which is more of what is expected, but I noticed the winding is different from BITT 4.0. Note that high no load current can indicate that the core is close to saturation.

I noticed that the primary current did not change much in BITT 4.0 (3ma) when the secondary load was increase which is what we are looking for.  As a suggestion, since we are looking for over unity gain, a simple demo which would show this clearly is: join the 2 secondaries in series so that we are only dealing with one output loaded to consume a few hundred watts; have enough turns in the primary so that the idle current is small and verify the gain in the power out vs. power in is good.

I find the BITT is very simple, and I think a clear demo of PRACTICAL power gains would convince and motivate a lot of people to work with it.

/Wayne

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #240 on: February 22, 2011, 04:17:14 PM »

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #241 on: February 28, 2011, 06:43:59 PM »
Did anyone replicating this find anomalous flux phenomenon?

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #242 on: March 01, 2011, 05:50:43 PM »
Feynman
Here Yah Go..............
This man knows his stuff!!

Hi Chet,

I noticed the recent postings of you and Feynman here at OU.
Indeed, I am (still) involved in Thanes work much of my spare time.
I have established a cooperation with Thane under NDA, so I can't speak too openly about our progress.

All I can say is, his findings are real and confirmed by himself and another evaluator (not me). I have confirmed his bi-toroid principle by FEMM modeling (also under NDA, so I can't share the model).
The principle has some critical issues, Power Factor = 1 can occur however under specific conditions.

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Teslaalset,
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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #242 on: March 01, 2011, 05:50:43 PM »
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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #243 on: March 01, 2011, 09:38:42 PM »
@ ramset,   The principle has some critical issues, Power Factor = 1 can occur however under specific conditions.

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Thank you for sharing everything.  However, who cares about Power Factor if OverUnity is present?
Floyd Sweet, SM, Hubbard, Magnacoaster, Morey, & Don Smith never cared about Power Factor with their O/U devices.

For example:  Since the O/U Power is normally fed into light bulbs or electric heaters, who cares if the Power Factor isn't perfect.  LOL

So in essence, just show us how to build a O/U device & we won't care if the PF is off.  LOL


Thanks.

« Last Edit: March 01, 2011, 10:17:50 PM by FatBird »

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #244 on: March 01, 2011, 10:04:24 PM »
@FatBird,

To avoid confusion, I may be a bit unclear in my message to Chet:

Under specific conditions:
Input: PF = 0
Output: PF = 1 (real power is delivered)

I am sure you understand what this means.
« Last Edit: March 01, 2011, 10:41:07 PM by teslaalset »

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #244 on: March 01, 2011, 10:04:24 PM »
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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #245 on: March 01, 2011, 10:14:57 PM »
I hear you saying that if Don Smith offered to sell you one of his 8 KW Output Units for $300, you would turn it down because the PF wasn't an absolute 1.0

Hmmmmmm.  I hope you know what you are saying.  ROFL

I think you really NEED to watch this video as to what PF is all about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGdow1CPMvU

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #246 on: March 01, 2011, 10:25:02 PM »
I hear you saying that if Don Smith offered to sell you one of his 8 KW Output Units for $300, you would turn it down because the PF wasn't an absolute 1.0

Hmmmmmm.  I hope you know what you are saying.  ROFL

I think you really NEED to watch this video as to what PF is all about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGdow1CPMvU

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #246 on: March 01, 2011, 10:25:02 PM »
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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #247 on: March 02, 2011, 12:55:36 AM »
Okay, well I emailed Thane, but otherwise I'll leave him alone.  I'm persuing other leads anyway (HHO, TPU, Joule Thief/Joule Ringer).

You can read my summary here:
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=302.msg11510#msg11510

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #248 on: March 02, 2011, 04:59:41 AM »
Feynman
Wow!!,
Mister,Your just what the doctor ordered!!

http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=302.msg11510#msg11510

Thanks
Chet

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #248 on: March 02, 2011, 04:59:41 AM »
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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #249 on: March 02, 2011, 08:40:24 PM »
Hah, thanks.  When I decide to do something , I put my soul into it.   I'm back on this research, as it's the most meaningful thing I can find, and it seems like we have a lot of promising leads.

Here's a copy of Thane's patents, diagrams, etc that I posted over on OUR. 

"I definitely believe Thane's phenomenon is real. "


http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=261.msg11532;topicseen#msg11532


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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #250 on: March 22, 2011, 05:28:59 PM »
Here's a breakthrough in the BITT replication:

800% power increase (480 watt output) with room for potential improvement:

http://pesn.com/2011/03/20/9501793_Two_Toroid_Over-Unity_Gabriel_Device_--_Part_1/

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #250 on: March 22, 2011, 05:28:59 PM »
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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #251 on: March 22, 2011, 06:42:08 PM »
Holy smokes, great find!

Thanks!!!   If this is true, this is the breakthrough we've all been looking for.

This is absolutely the most promising design I have found so far regarding the potential COP>1 system with usable output, due to its elegance and simplicity.   This is like Thane's system on crack.  Let's hope this is for real.


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Without a load on the secondary, the primary circuit consumes 420 watts (3.5 amps at 120 volts) as displayed by the power meter plugged into the wall. As he adds loads (usually lights) to the secondary, something very interesting happens. The primary current starts to drop! Actually, the more load he places on the secondary, the less power the primary consumes. He has been able to get the primary circuit power consumption down to 60 watts (.5 amps at 120 volts) while outputting 480 watts (4 amps at 120 volts). His output is 800% that of the primary consumption!

Incredible.  I'm very strongly considering diverting resources from all other projects to this particular replication effort, as it greatly simplifies Thane Heins' design.

The main reason I was not bothering with the Thane Heins replication was due to the complexity of creating his primary design, creating the iron core primary from scratch, etc. This is alot of work!  Though, I absolutely believe Thane has overunity, well above COP=3.

This breakthrough toroidal design by David Klingelhoefer , if it holds up to scrutiny, will have much higher efficiency and is much simpler!  Much much easier to create. 

The only problem is the patent (intellectual property), which arguably may or may not belong to Thane Heins and/or David Klingelhoefer if he applies for a patent within a year.  I don't want to get involved in lawyer-nonsense, but the Gabriel device might be called an 'obvious' replication of Thane's work.  I have no idea.  We can leave this for the lawyers to sort out.  As long as people don't sell these units (we open-source the design), I think we are okay. 

I should also add we make sure both Thane Heins and David Klingelhoefer get credit for their work, and that one (or both of them) get royalties for any commercial use. However, this does not prevent us from open-source and/or replications.

As many of you know, the problem with commercial OU devices anyway is the bastards at the UL / FCC suppressing innovation with their bureaucracy (I mean, uh, prevent circuits from starting fires).

Anyway I'm going to divert resources to a replication of this phenomenon.   

P.S.  I suspect (but can't prove) the reason the output peaks at 480 watts is due to the flux-capacity ('flux capacitor', lol) aka. saturation of the toroid and/or the iron shell.  The way to increase the system's capability above 480 watts is to (A) get a bigger toroid with more magnetic flux capacity  or (B) wire multiple toroids together in parallel, perhaps through inverter or rectifier, or (C) make the iron shell more form-fitting.

I know David Klingelhoefer is persuing option (C) over the next few weeks in order to increase his claimed COP.

You can probably make this into a self-runner by looping the output through a power control circuit , perhaps with a capacitor /microcontroller to provide a buffer to prevent the thing from frying itself.   It may also be necessary to isolate the input AC circuit for self-running operation with an inverter, perhaps also with diodes, capacitor and/or battery.

Anyway this is great news if it's legit, which in my personal opinion, I think is 'yes'.  But the only way to tell is via replication, which I will be starting on immediately.   This toroidal idea is simply brilliant if it works.
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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #252 on: March 22, 2011, 08:25:27 PM »
Okay guys, I'm in contact with David.  Hopefully if I get okay from him I will post the details here.

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #253 on: March 22, 2011, 09:37:24 PM »
I think David's approach represents a new design / patent. I worked in a large telecom company before and it's my understanding that concepts cannot be patented. There are different patents involved with the idea of re-routing the secondary magnetic flux. In any case, patents are related to commercial use of specific implementation, and does not apply to personal replication for private use. In any case, David has a year to follow up on patenting his design for its potential commercial benefit.

Feynman, did you get a chance to check with David where to get the steel shell?.. I don't know where to get that part and am interested to replicate the implementation; it is very simple and elegant.

/Wayne

 

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #254 on: March 22, 2011, 09:50:38 PM »
@wayne49s

Thanks for posting that information here, otherwise I wouldn't have found out about this great news that made my day.  I'm in contact with David via email, and I started a new thread to discuss his device and replications. 

The Gabriel device, possible COP=8
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10518.msg278878#new

David Klingelhoefer said Thane Heins had offered to write the patent for him,lol, so I think you are right.  But the good news is that David doesn't care about the patent -- he wants to open source it! 

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I would like to add that Thane has contacted me on wanting me to get a patent filed and said he would write it for me.... Im in the circle that everyone has the right to free energy and by the hand that guides me it will happen.
- David Klingelhoefer , private email with Feynman 03/22/2011

So let's see if we can maybe get some replications going to confirm the device, and if we can replicate David's results via open-source, then we can work on closed-loop mode.

The Gabriel device, possible COP=8
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10518.msg278878#new

 

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