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Author Topic: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER  (Read 393636 times)

Offline sigma16

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #165 on: October 26, 2010, 05:09:10 PM »
WRONG
YOU CANNOT USE ONE MAGNETIC FIELD TO CANCEL OUT ANOTHER! THIS IS TRANSFORMER 101 AS WELL. IF THIS WERE SO EVEN A CONVENTIONAL TRANSFORMER WOULD NOT WORK BECAUSE BOTH PRIMARY AND SECONDARY FLUXES ARE MOVING IN OPPOSITE DIRECTIONS INSIDE THE PRIMARY CORE.
 
RED FLAG: A FORUM IS ONLY AS GOOD AS ITS ABILITY TO PROVIDE CORRECT INFORMATION TO THE READERS AND TO "SELF CORRECT" ITSELF WHEN A MISTAKE IS PRESENTED. SINCE NO ONE PICKED UP ON THIS AND CORRECTED IT - EVERYTHING ELSE THAT FOLLOWS IS ALSO IN ERROR.
 
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WRONG A VOLT METER READS NET FLUX VARIATIONS / TIME. A VOLTMETER IN THIS SCENARIO CAN ONLY READ FLUX FLOWING IN ONE DIRECTION. IF TWO IDENTICAL FLUX MAGNITUDES ARE FLOWING THROUGH A SENSOR COIL ON ONE CORE SECTION THE VOLTAGE WOULD BE 0 VOLTS EVEN THOUGH NET FLUX INSIDE THE COIL WOULD BE AT MAXIMUM. 
 
RED FLAG: KNOWING HOW A VOLTMETER WORKS AND HOW TO READ A VOLTMETER IS ELECTRICITY 101. ANYONE WHO DOES NOT KNOW HOW TO DO THIS SHOULD LEARN.
 

Am I misreading these statements?  It sounds like you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

1. If the magnetic flux vectors oppose, they cancel.  In a transformer, they all go the same direction.  This is also why the polarity of the secondary is reversed compared to the primary.   If AC is flowing through the primary then all of the magnetic flux vectors reverse and the this reversal is evident in the secondary.

2. A volt meter reads electrical potential difference.  If a changing magnetic field induces EMF in a conductor, then the volt meter can indicate the potential difference.  This is not necessarily a true indication of the flux variation.  Again, opposing flux magnetic vectors must cancel, then there is no magnetic flux.  The energy may covnert to some other form but it will no longer be a magnetic field. (Actually there really is no energy in a magnetic field, per se, since it is just a state of aether polarization.)

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #165 on: October 26, 2010, 05:09:10 PM »

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #166 on: October 26, 2010, 06:52:47 PM »
@ sigma16: You are wrong: If your theory is exact that's mean conventional trafos can't work too... With load or not the flux remain the same (minus hysteresis loss and Eddy currents), even with the Lenz law. Lenz law is here to keep the same flux around the core no matter if the transformer is loaded or not !!! To keep this flux Conventional Trafos draw more current in response to the load current.
Look the GIF that I have made, with your theory at no load all flux close the loop, but when you put a load with the same Ampers/turns all the flux run out of the space: Conclusion BEMF opposing the initial flux but not directly. BEMF is more like a "Resistance", a "counter force". So in the BTT a magnetic field tend to follow the easier path, the easier path is the two secondaries... But to accomplish this, they are many crucial parameters to tune:
Here I propose a protocole to experiment and Confirm/Infirm the Heins Effect:

1) Magnetic reluctance must be substantialy different between Core1 and 2.
    A safety ratio of 10 times the core1 surface size is recomended.
2) So, extremly linear magnetic permeability is required, this done by a
    very small air gap both core1 and 2 or use linear magnetics materials like
    Nanoperms. (see Pg 11 and the blue BH curves and permeability
    (u=30000)).
3) Avoid saturation of the primary like a conventional Trafo.(Use formula
    for this like Boucherot formula). Saturation draw more current and heat
    the wires.
4) Wind the same turns on the secondaries they must produce exctly the
    same EMF and BEMF to maintain the overall equilibrium... (same voltage   
    in the coils).
5) The windings must be perfect why (like comercial trafos) ? Because to 
    induce the maximum flux per turns, the spire and the core must be
    disposed at 90°, if no you lose in effeciency and you must wind more
    turns or draw more current...
6) Plug the secondaries together with the same load, the current must be
    equal to produce once again the same BEMF. (same current in the coils).
7) In theory like a conventional Trafo: If I induce 1 tesla in the Core1 the 
    flux is devided by 2 on each secondaries (remenber EI cores), so the
    BEMF in exchange is divided by two also !!! (The voltage for a 1/1 ratio
    is divided by two also, plug in series to retrieve your original voltage...)
8° Once again if the Heins effect is right the BEMF tend to coupling each
    others, not with the primary.
9) If your flux is asymetric or if you disconnect a load the other secondary
    tend to droop his voltage (no EMF of the unpluged secondary) or draw   
    more current like a conventional Trafo from the primary ( because this is
    much easier to couple with the primary than the unpluged secondary...).
10) Test the presence of flux in the outer core for validating/rejecting this 
    theory (you can this by winding a few turns in the core2 and plug an 
    oscilloscope). If you see nothing the flux cancells each others if you see
    an EMF try with no load and full load state note the difference in the
    amplitude...).
11) Power measurment proof: beware of the frequency, power factor
    (U*I*CosPhi=P) I think you learn nothing here.
12) Ultimate incontestable proof: self looping (If this device can produce 
     over 7000% OU, the looping is made the finger in the nose !!!
    You can reclam your nobel now and have your statue like some masters
    Newton, Einstein, Edison, Faradays, etc.
13) I can finally stop to burning money in energy bills:
     Thank you very much !!!

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #167 on: October 26, 2010, 07:22:04 PM »
Fellas
 I know we have strong feelings here!

Can we at least let the Boss finish??

Please??

these things can be discussed at Poynts place!

here http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=261.msg6088;topicseen#msg6088

Grumpy [sigma]has the same post over there!

At least until Thane has finished,I'm sure its a lot of work!!

Chet
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Yes Grumpy I know the other part [walking]

Grumpy  ,Can you let CRANKY finish??

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #167 on: October 26, 2010, 07:22:04 PM »
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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #168 on: October 26, 2010, 07:43:32 PM »
@ sigma16: You are wrong:

perhaps you misunderstood: (see attached image)

If opposing magnetic fields did not cancel, there would not be paramagentic material:

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In a paramagnetic material there are unpaired electrons, i.e. atomic or molecular orbitals with exactly one electron in them. While paired electrons are required by the Pauli exclusion principle to have their intrinsic ('spin') magnetic moments pointing in opposite directions, causing their magnetic fields to cancel out, an unpaired electron is free to align its magnetic moment in any direction. When an external magnetic field is applied, these magnetic moments will tend to align themselves in the same direction as the applied field, thus reinforcing it.

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #169 on: October 26, 2010, 07:45:54 PM »
Fellas
 I know we have strong feelings here!

Can we at least let the Boss finish??

Please??

these things can be discussed at Poynts place!

here http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=261.msg6088;topicseen#msg6088

Grumpy [sigma]has the same post over there!

At least until Thane has finished,I'm sure its a lot of work!!

Chet
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Schubert!
for a pianist you sure can talk the talk!![a compliment]
Yes Grumpy I know the other part [walking]

Grumpy  ,Can you let CRANKY finish??

What more can he say? 

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #169 on: October 26, 2010, 07:45:54 PM »
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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #170 on: October 26, 2010, 07:53:29 PM »
                                 Grumpy quote ;
                            What more can he say?
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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #171 on: October 26, 2010, 08:12:29 PM »
@ sigma16: You are wrong: If your theory is exact that's mean conventional trafos can't work too... With load or not the flux remain the same (minus hysteresis loss and Eddy currents), even with the Lenz law. Lenz law is here to keep the same flux around the core no matter if the transformer is loaded or not !!! To keep this flux Conventional Trafos draw more current in response to the load current.

The transformer does not work if the flux does not change.  A static magnetic field is not inductive.

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #171 on: October 26, 2010, 08:12:29 PM »
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Offline SchubertReijiMaigo

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #172 on: October 26, 2010, 08:29:09 PM »
Let's me rectfy, I mean if you draw more current in your trafo, the amplitude of B (B is like a sinus) not decrease, because in response to Lenz law your primary draw more current for compensating. If the amplitude decrease the induced voltage decrease also: Faraday law of induction, if take a magnet of 0.5 T and move it 2 times per seconds and you do the same thing with a magnet of 1 T normally you have two time the induced voltage. In a transformer this is exactly similar.
Paramagnetics materials is other thing, those materials is like air u=1 they are linear and they very slighly attract magnetic flux.
Diamagnetics repels (totally in case of superconductors) magnetics flux (u<1).
So in your transformer you have ferromagnetics materials (u>1) that attract magnetics flux... Sorry but I don't see why you talk about paramagnetism and diamagnetism...
Don't worry I'am septic about Heins effect also, but I try to understand why this device can or cannnot work. This device work on current law of physics not some exotic theory... I try to undersatand if the two secondaries can couple together and support each others, I have posted a protocole, this is a fair method to proove/disproove the Heins effect, I am ready in case the effect is not true, but if this effect is not true I want to understand why... And not a merely explanation like this "you violate the law of thermodynamics...".
Regards.

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #173 on: October 27, 2010, 12:26:45 AM »
I've always been puzzled by what exactly Thane's goal is.

In the first BITT Tutorial 101 Thane seems to allude to getting real output power for virtually zero input power. OK, the theory sounds interesting. Now, prove the theory.

In the BITT 2.0 and 3.0, unless I missed it, Thane does no input nor output power measurements. Whether this device merits further investigation begs to have these measurements performed, yet they are avoided.

Thane seems to allude that the output power is only a few Watts, correct? From what I saw of Thane's input/phase/PF measurement with the scope, I am not nearly convinced that the input power is zero.

As I assume the input source is AC through a variac perhaps, I would strongly suggest (as does ION) that Thane pick up a Killawatt meter to properly and simply measure the input power being consumed. I'll send him one if he promises to do the test.

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #173 on: October 27, 2010, 12:26:45 AM »
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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #174 on: October 27, 2010, 12:44:00 AM »
1. If the magnetic flux vectors oppose, they cancel.  In a transformer, they all go the same direction.  This is also why the polarity of the secondary is reversed compared to the primary.   If AC is flowing through the primary then all of the magnetic flux vectors reverse and the this reversal is evident in the secondary.

HERE'S AN OFFER...
I'LL PAY A MILLION LOONIES TO THE FIRST PERSON WHO CAN TAKE TWO NORTH POLE PERMANENT MAGNETS FACING EACH OTHER IN A REPELLING POSITION AND SHOW US ALL THAT THERE IS NO MAGNETIC FIELDS BETWEEN THEM BECAUSE THEY CANCELLED EACH OTHER OUT! EVEN THOUGH THERE IS A REAL REPELLING FORCE BEING EXHIBITED!

HOW IS IT POSSIBLE THAT SO MANY SEEMINGLY EDUCATED PEOPLE CAN BE SUCH DUNCES?  :-[

MORAL OF THE STORY HERE - NEVER LISTEN TO ANYONE CONCERNING ANYTHING - EVER - UNTIL YOU HAVE PERSONALLY VERIFIED IT FOR YOURSELF.

FOR THE NON-DUNCES WHO ARE STILL CAPABLE OF LEARNING NEW STUFF:
http://www.coolmagnetman.com/magindex.htm

ANY REAL PERSON WITH REAL QUESTIONS WHO WANT REAL ANSWERS PLEASE SEND ME A REAL EMAIL AT: thane_heins@yahoo.ca

ANNONYMOUS DUMBASS EMAILS WILL BE IGNORED.

CHEERS
T

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #175 on: October 27, 2010, 01:11:52 AM »
I've always been puzzled by what exactly Thane's goal is.

GE Ecomagination Challenge BITT Entry

The Bi-Toroid Transformer (BITT) is a new type of transformer which acts as a magnetic diode and isolates the source from the load. The BITT has the capacity to use virtually 100% Reactive Power while delivering 100% Real Power to the load.

The BITT employs two secondary coils and two low reluctance flux path routes which allow Secondary Coil Back EMF induced flux to be diverted away from the Primary Coil’s Core. By diverting the secondary BEMF induced flux away from the primary core, the load power factor does not change from NO load to FULL load.

In addition, because the secondary BEMF induced fluxes follow the low reluctance flux path route around and away from the primary coil’s core – there is no flux coupling back through the primary coil and its impedance does not drop, therefore the NO load excitation current cannot change(increase). Both of the secondary coils’ ON load BEMF induced fluxes, follow the low reluctance flux path route around the primary coil and into the adjacent secondary coil thereby maintaining the flux required to sustain the power across the load.

Early third party testing of the BITT (by Defence Research and Development Canada data enclosed) have shown it operating well above 100% efficiency - in the region of 450 – 2700%. Because the BITT primary current does not change from NO load to FULL load, the primary coil does not heat up and resistive power losses due to heat are negligible.

If the BITT we employed in grid power lines at staggered intervals the transmission power line losses could be reduced to virtually zero. The BITT could be employed in household appliances to reduce the load on the grid. The BITT is now being developed and licensed in Canada, USA, Brazil, Europe and Asia.

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In the first BITT Tutorial 101 Thane seems to allude to getting real output power for virtually zero input power. OK, the theory sounds interesting. Now, prove the theory.

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." Arthur C. Clarke

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In the BITT 2.0 and 3.0, unless I missed it, Thane does no input nor output power measurements. Whether this device merits further investigation begs to have these measurements performed, yet they are avoided.

YEP, YOU MISSED IT...
FROM JULY 2009: http://www.youtube.com/user/ThaneCHeins#p/u/14/RbRPCt1-WwQ

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Thane seems to allude that the output power is only a few Watts, correct? From what I saw of Thane's input/phase/PF measurement with the scope, I am not nearly convinced that the input power is zero.

PLEASE SEE PREVIOUS EMAIL ABOUT LISTENING TO OTHER PEOPLE.
MY SUGGESTION IS TO PONY UP SOME ELBOW GREASE AND BUILD YOUR OWN AND LEARN.

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As I assume the input source is AC through a variac perhaps, I would strongly suggest (as does ION) that Thane pick up a Killawatt meter to properly and simply measure the input power being consumed. I'll send him one if he promises to do the test.

ONLY TRUE HACK WOULD SUGGEST THAT A $1500.00 DIGITAL SCOPE BE RELACED WITH A $30.00 "WATT-METER FOR DUMMIES". MY SUGGESTION, ASK SOMEONE TO TEACH YOU HOW TO  USE AND READ A SCOPE LIKE I DID.

CHEERS
T

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« Last Edit: October 27, 2010, 01:32:09 AM by CRANKYpants »

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #175 on: October 27, 2010, 01:11:52 AM »
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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #176 on: October 27, 2010, 01:15:29 AM »
HERE'S AN OFFER...
I'LL PAY A MILLION LOONIES TO THE FIRST PERSON WHO CAN TAKE TWO NORTH POLE PERMANENT MAGNETS FACING EACH OTHER IN A REPELLING POSITION AND SHOW US ALL THAT THERE IS NO MAGNETIC FIELDS BETWEEN THEM BECAUSE THEY CANCELLED EACH OTHER OUT! EVEN THOUGH THERE IS A REAL REPELLING FORCE BEING EXHIBITED!

HOW IS IT POSSIBLE THAT SO MANY SEEMINGLY EDUCATED PEOPLE CAN BE SUCH DUNCES?  :-[

MORAL OF THE STORY HERE - NEVER LISTEN TO ANYONE CONCERNING ANYTHING - EVER - UNTIL YOU HAVE PERSONALLY VERIFIED IT FOR YOURSELF.

FOR THE NON-DUNCES WHO ARE STILL CAPABLE OF LEARNING NEW STUFF:
http://www.coolmagnetman.com/magindex.htm

ANY REAL PERSON WITH REAL QUESTIONS WHO WANT REAL ANSWERS PLEASE SEND ME A REAL EMAIL AT: thane_heins@yahoo.ca

ANNONYMOUS DUMBASS EMAILS WILL BE IGNORED.

CHEERS
T

Hahahahahahahaa!!!

Whoa!  I can't believe you posted that on a public forum!

I feel sorry for you and anyone who thinks you have any idea of what you are doing, so I'll explain the opposing magnet "paradox" to you, so that everyone will know what a self-deluding prick you really are. 

OK?  Here goes:

Opposing Magnetic "vectors" cancel each other.  A vector is not an entire field.  A "vector" is a quantity with a direction and is used to describe a field or force.  So, looking at the field of your two magnets with the north poles facing each other, the vectors comes out of the face of the magnet in a continous curve.  The vectors represented by these curves NEVER ACTUALLY OPPOSE EACH OTHER SO THERE IS NO CANCELLATION  THE FIELDS COME OUT OF THE MAGNETS AND CURVE IN THE "SAME DIRECTION" AND HENCE ARE NOT "OPPOSING VECTORS" AND HENCE CANNOT CANCEL!!!!


MORAL OF THE STORY HERE: THANE IS TOTALLY IGNORANT OF MAGNETIC FIELDS AND JUST PROVED IT.


You will be less ignorant if you read this and you can see the vectors pushed out near the end of the page:
http://son.nasa.gov/tass/content/magnetism.htm

So, cough up my million loonies.

EDIT:

cancelled magnetic field in some non-inductive wire wound resistors:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayrton-Perry_winding
« Last Edit: October 27, 2010, 02:05:57 AM by sigma16 »

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #177 on: October 27, 2010, 01:53:28 AM »
I don't have the time to write along post because it's 2 hours AM...
Once again in a transformer your flux amplitude (B) never decrease because they are more current draw in the primary... The amplitude of the flux remain the same, we can call "vector", "lines", "flux path", it's doesn't matter...
The cricial question is in the case of the BTT, does the flux is stable in the outer coil , this flux is zero or not ? Good night to everyone !!! ZZZZZ...

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #178 on: October 27, 2010, 02:16:13 AM »
Well
WE have a member here,Tinsel Koala
His field is Metrology The science of measurement
TestingAnd such,He is also a Canadian and a really cool Guy,
I will BEG him  to EMail Thane

Chet

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« Reply #179 on: October 27, 2010, 02:19:48 AM »
Early third party testing of the BITT (by Defence Research and Development Canada data enclosed) have shown it operating well above 100% efficiency - in the region of 450 – 2700%. Because the BITT primary current does not change from NO load to FULL load, the primary coil does not heat up and resistive power losses due to heat are negligible.
Looking forward to seeing the data, thanks.

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YEP, YOU MISSED IT...
FROM JULY 2009: http://www.youtube.com/user/ThaneCHeins#p/u/14/RbRPCt1-WwQ

My analysis of your scope trace indicates a phase of 63º (3.5 divisions x 18º) which is a PF=0.454. This is a sensitive measurement, as a few degrees makes quite a difference in the PF. Accuracy in the phase measurement is paramount.

3mA on a 4A full scale setting  ??? This is down in the "noise" of the meter's capability, and the reading is bound to be inaccurate (you are performing COP measurements here afterall).

It appears you are running the input through a relatively small capacitor, and that is going to introduce phase shift. Depending on where your scope and meter probes are measuring from, this could be a significant factor affecting the end-numbers.

As per the above, the computations and measurements made in the video are not reliable imo.

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ONLY TRUE HACK WOULD SUGGEST THAT A $1500.00 DIGITAL SCOPE BE RELACED WITH A $30.00 "WATT-METER FOR DUMMIES".

Scopes and meters have their place. Knowing what they are is a valuable asset. I have a $30k+ scope, but depending on the job, a meter can be a better choice.

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CHEERS
T

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I did ;)

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