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Author Topic: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER  (Read 423172 times)

Offline gyulasun

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #15 on: June 05, 2010, 09:16:56 PM »
Blue one is half a Ferrite toroid, black one is a whole MetGlas toroid.

The original idea came from Paul Lawrence.
He calls it his HUE device.
His blog: http://globalfreeenergy.info/

Below picture represents my own build, under investigation right now.
There is another winding on the other side of the MetGlas core.

Hi teslaalset,

Can you measure the coils inductances? I am curious... :)

Thanks,  Gyula

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2010, 09:33:23 PM »
Hi teslaalset,

Can you measure the coils inductances? I am curious... :)

Thanks,  Gyula

Measured with a Voltcraft LCR-9063 multimeter, I got:

5 mH for the coil with the ferrite core
50 mH for the MetGlas core ones

But, remember you can't just measure coil values assuming those values are fixed.
They vary as a function of current fed through the coils, changing the H value.

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #17 on: June 05, 2010, 09:48:38 PM »
Thanks. 
Yes I am aware of changing inductances when driven over certain excitation levels.  Especially if you pulse them (switch DC voltage source across the coil by a controlled switch). 

Will you drive it with sinusoidal AC or with pulses I wonder.

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #18 on: June 05, 2010, 10:00:49 PM »
Thanks. 
Yes I am aware of changing inductances when driven over certain excitation levels.  Especially if you pulse them (switch DC voltage source across the coil by a controlled switch). 

Will you drive it with sinusoidal AC or with pulses I wonder.

Gyula,
I will try both.
To get the best out of the device, it's best to use both positive and negative currents, or at least vary magnetic flux in both directions of the cores passing the Hc values of the coils.
Only then the maximum values of mhu's can be optimally used.

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #19 on: June 06, 2010, 12:47:32 AM »
Ok, I agree, thanks.

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #20 on: June 06, 2010, 01:27:57 PM »
hello

i did a little investigation and came to idea that Heins is using two different coils one on top of the other !!

first coil "shifting coil" has very thin wire and many turns and its shorted and due its its own resistance it creates its own "voltage field" some kind of static charge that affects second coil that is "producing coil" so its behaves like capacitor that stores energy for a while and when magnetic field is leaving the coil the "shifting coil" loses its strength and allows producing coil to discharge the current so it not effecting the magnetic field that is gone ...

and that's how i think he shift current out of phase .....

cheers from poland
wojsciech

ps. this is the patent that have explanation to all what happens in the pickup coil,, CA2437745A1
« Last Edit: June 06, 2010, 01:53:49 PM by wojwrobel »

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #21 on: June 06, 2010, 01:53:57 PM »
No, I think it is much simpler than that!

Please watch this video and he shows and tells EXACTLY how he does it.  The idea is very simple!  This shows a COP >300%

Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbRPCt1-WwQ&feature=related[/glow]

Cheers,

Bruce

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #22 on: June 06, 2010, 02:57:01 PM »
No, I think it is much simpler than that!

Please watch this video and he shows and tells EXACTLY how he does it.  The idea is very simple!  This shows a COP >300%

Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbRPCt1-WwQ&feature=related[/glow]

Cheers,

Bruce

Indeed a good demo.

Disadvantage is that this will only work at low power levels.
The core with the high permeability will already saturate at low current values.

But still a very nice idea to investigate further.

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #23 on: June 06, 2010, 03:33:17 PM »
Bruce

I know every second of his videos VERY WELL ;)

and the reason im posting this information is to streight it out , I HAVE TRIED MANY DAYS!! ;)

thats why im saying its not that easy as it looks !

wojsciech

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #24 on: June 06, 2010, 04:06:59 PM »
Bruce

I know every second of his videos VERY WELL ;)

and the reason im posting this information is to streight it out , I HAVE TRIED MANY DAYS!! ;)

thats why im saying its not that easy as it looks !

wojsciech

wojwrobel,
What kind of core materials did you use?
Any pictures of your setup?

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #25 on: June 06, 2010, 04:22:33 PM »
wojwrobel,
What kind of core materials did you use?
Any pictures of your setup?

My exact questions also...

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #26 on: June 06, 2010, 04:28:40 PM »
ok this is my setup


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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #27 on: June 06, 2010, 04:37:31 PM »
ok this is my setup

Thanks a lot!
Looks like you have ferrite as primary and soft iron sheet as secondary?

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #28 on: June 06, 2010, 05:57:10 PM »
i find it very similar that kapanadz setup it also uses high voltage coil to create a "static enviroment" but on the outside of "working coil", so i think this systems works on the same idea that Heins described in his CA2437745A1 patent so its besicaly lenz less transformer and if you think about it its overunity because that way you can put as many secondarys with load as you can!!!

so i think my setup needs hv windings but underneth working secondary...

wojsciech

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Re: Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER
« Reply #29 on: June 06, 2010, 06:26:17 PM »
@wojwrobel,
If Thanes patent does not specify such specific characteristic that is needed to work according to his intentions, his patent wouldn't be valid.

So, if you think your idea works, than it sure is some completely different principle.