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Author Topic: Patents involving antenna and aerials, mainly for transmitting...  (Read 72575 times)

the_big_m_in_ok

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...but can be turned around in function (receiving, that is) and lengthened greatly, thus demonstrating Extracting electricity from the atmosphere.


There may also be tuning coils included, either with the antenna/aerial or else stand alone.


Some Patents may include electronic circuits, even if they are way long dated in the past and therefore obsolete(vacuum tubes).  You can merely start looking at the circuit input.


These .PDFs can be downloaded and printed out either on the Advanced Patent Search...
or,
http://www.pat2pdf.org


There are quite a few of these in the USPTO database, so subsequent updates could easily be forthcoming.
If you have personal comments or remarks, feel free to contribute.


This Forum was one I considered the most appropriate by me.
The Moderators can review it at their leisure and decide if it needs to be moved.  Or not.  Their call.




I'll start with:

http://www.google.com/patents?id=tpNnAAAAEBAJ&pg=PA1&dq=patent:852381&as_drrb_ap=q&as_minm_ap=0&as_miny_ap=&as_maxm_ap=0&as_maxy_ap=&as_drrb_is=q&as_minm_is=0&as_miny_is=&as_maxm_is=0&as_maxy_is=&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=1

This is something Tesla would have liked, and was probably taken from his work by someone who did research like many of this site's members.

More are available; at least 20-30 from before about 1930.

Re-edit:

Here are 20 more:

http://www.rexresearch.com/atmoselx/atmoselx.htm



--Lee
« Last Edit: July 25, 2009, 04:38:35 AM by the_big_m_in_ok »

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Re: Patents involving antenna and aerials, mainly for transmitting...
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2009, 03:57:52 AM »
Well like resonant effects demonstrated here...is like the same regarding the resonant effect of the ionosphere http://home.netcom.com/~sbyers11/RFenergy_Iono.html.

the_big_m_in_ok

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Re: Patents involving antenna and aerials, mainly for transmitting...
« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2009, 04:20:23 AM »
Well like resonant effects demonstrated here...is like the same regarding the resonant effect of the ionosphere http://home.netcom.com/~sbyers11/RFenergy_Iono.html.
@lltfdaniel1
Sorry, this page doesn't come up as being in Internet existence, Page Not Found, on this computer---and I have a Linux Mandriva disk running Firefox without a 'Net Nannie' that I would otherwise have to deal with.

You don't live in the Eastern Hemisphere, do you?  Software incompatibility?  I'm not sure. what happened

Can you briefly and simply describe what you mean?

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Re: Patents involving antenna and aerials, mainly for transmitting...
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2009, 05:26:12 AM »
Basicly you know with satellite where satellite can't go past the field of the earth right?

Basicly it reflects back and it actually uses the earths in conjuction..and it deals with you know for what you have studyed...like a skip effect...obviously..it is useing the earths energy in a way with how that it described but i have faith and you can use this back.

The earth has it's own rf broadcast frequency and we all know we can convert rf into electric...right?

It is best to study things about ions etc and its behavior and ways to convert it to electric or look at nasa or ion engines or whatever and see the effect of how it converts it...ions are still positive and negative...the way i see it they are like atoms in a system along with other system so it will all pan out..so don't bash me anyway.

So yea...you got to view the earth like a capacitor...a great big fucking capacitor that has tons of power...so how would you tap into this capacitor so to speak with what you know and know now?

Well i suggest looking at a normal circuit and do a test..prehaps one with the resonance effect...of course the circuit deals with grounding but look at it this way...it is still electric..and the reason for that it is like a transformer sucking energy away..right?

These circuits that basicly tap the earths energy this way...is like a transformer action as you know what transformers do..well it's like it.

Oh and i pirated vista x64 off demonoid...and is fully working :P for free.

Don't forget the em spectrum...the low hz is rf-em basicly.

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Re: Patents involving antenna and aerials, mainly for transmitting...
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2009, 05:31:45 AM »
@lltfdaniel1
Sorry, this page doesn't come up as being in Internet existence, Page Not Found, on this computer---and I have a Linux Mandriva disk running Firefox without a 'Net Nannie' that I would otherwise have to deal with.
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Hi Lee,

The link includes a dot at its html ending which should not be there, that is the reason the link cannot work. Here is the same link without the dot, it should work:
http://home.netcom.com/~sbyers11/RFenergy_Iono.html

rgds, Gyula

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Re: Patents involving antenna and aerials, mainly for transmitting...
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2009, 05:32:35 AM »
Thanks gyu :/.

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Re: Patents involving antenna and aerials, mainly for transmitting...
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2009, 05:17:21 PM »
lltfdaniel1 said:
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The earth has it's own rf broadcast frequency and we all know we can convert rf into electric...right? ... So yea...you got to view the earth like a capacitor...a great big fucking capacitor that has tons of power...so how would you tap into this capacitor so to speak with what you know and know now?
Right.  However, I remember reading that some researchers insist the Earth's magnetic reacts with the cosmic medium with it's own magnetic field to create additional power as well.  These patented designs should also work in deep space, hopefully.
BTW, one of the reasons I started this thread is that more power could be generated by smaller, more efficient antennas and I've presented examples to that effect for all to see.
More patents can be posted later by me.



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It is best to study things about ions etc and its behavior and ways to convert it to electric or look at nasa or ion engines or whatever and see the effect of how it converts it...ions are still positive and negative...the way i see it they are like atoms in a system along with other system so it will all pan out..so don't bash me anyway.
No, I agree substantially with your words.  Not bashing you at all.
(There was a typo in the first link address of your post, which I finally saw.  Honest mistake.)

And, you're correct, ions are positively charged, but electrons are easier to make artificially.  A coil and a moving magnet field should do the trick.  Other systems can include Tesla, Bedini, special coils, etc., so you can make a point in that regard, yes.



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Well i suggest looking at a normal circuit and do a test..prehaps one with the resonance effect...of course the circuit deals with grounding but look at it this way...it is still electric..and the reason for that it is like a transformer sucking energy away..right? These circuits that basicly tap the earths energy this way...is like a transformer action as you know what transformers do..well it's like it.
Well, I would say the antenna *sucks* or *apprehends* the potentially available power, and then the transformer transforms it into useful current.


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Don't forget the em spectrum...the low hz is rf-em basicly.
Yeah, I had read of that, too.  A long antenna and low freq. EM rf energy is what we're all looking for in our research efforts.


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Oh and i pirated vista x64 off demonoid...and is fully working :P for free.
Never heard of this.  What is it?


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Additional patents...
« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2009, 05:32:46 AM »
#1,575,824 Receiving Antenna for Wireless Telegraphy or Telephony
Looks approximately like a Mobius coil:

http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=13pCAAAAEBAJ&dq=patent:1575824&as_drrb_ap=q&as_minm_ap=0&as_miny_ap=&as_maxm_ap=0&as_maxy_ap=&as_drrb_is=q&as_minm_is=0&as_miny_is=&as_maxm_is=0&as_maxy_is=





#1,602,085 Radio Receiving System
Simple, unusual loop system:

http://www.google.com/patents?id=AHVSAAAAEBAJ&pg=PA1&dq=patent:1602085&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=2




#1,740,851  Directional Antenna
Parallel 2-antenna system that maintains same phase relationships of signal received(increased current?):

http://www.google.com/patents?id=FBdBAAAAEBAJ&pg=PA1&dq=patent:1740851&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=2




#2,145,024  Directive Antenna
Paralleled loop system that lends itself to scaling up in size:

http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=NCUCAAAAEBAJ&dq=patent:2145024





#4,879,570  Broadcasting Wave Reception Antenna
Starfish-shaped system with coils in series, somewhat like a flattened toriod:

http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=co8zAAAAEBAJ&dq=patent:4879570





#4,922,261  Aerial Systems
Small square coil inside a large one, that should act like a Tesla pancake bifilar coil:

http://www.google.com/patents?id=yIggAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4


(These are fairly old patents that were chosen for simplicity.  The search argument I used on
     http://www.google/advanced _patent_search      was:  "antenna receiving".)

--Lee
« Last Edit: July 26, 2009, 05:56:24 AM by the_big_m_in_ok »

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More patents; this time loop systems...
« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2009, 02:30:20 AM »
#4,473,163 Loop Antenna for Security Systems
Fig. 3,4, 6 & 7 can be combined into a combination system, part of which has crossover wires, and each section can be made into a coil with several or many turns:

http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=D3w1AAAAEBAJ&dq=patent:4373163&as_drrb_ap=q&as_minm_ap=0&as_miny_ap=&as_maxm_ap=0&as_maxy_ap=&as_drrb_is=q&as_minm_is=0&as_miny_is=&as_maxm_is=0&as_maxy_is=





#4,633,250 Coplanar Antenna for Proximate Surveillance Systems
Similar to the one immediately above:

http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=XPwxAAAAEBAJ&dq=patent:4633250



#4,701,764  Miniature High-Gain Antenna
Unusual 3-dimensional shape, but not necessarily in a loop:

http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=iz47AAAAEBAJ&dq=patent:4701764




#5,914,692  Multiple Loop Antenna with Crossover Element Having a Pair of Spaced, Parallel Conductor for the Electrically Connecting the Multiple Loops
Figs. 6, 7 & 8 can be placed next to each other, each having an increased length set of turns in a coil for an experimental combined effect.
Similar to Figs. 3, 4, 6, & 7 being combined in #4,373,163:

http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=MW8XAAAAEBAJ&dq=patent:5914692

(Please keep in mind that even though these are loop systems, one can always leave the system ungrounded and use only one end to take power from.)

--Lee
« Last Edit: July 27, 2009, 02:54:35 AM by the_big_m_in_ok »

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More loop patents...
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2009, 12:32:47 AM »
#2,510,162 Aerial Array
3-dimensional system in which 'Z0' of Fig. 3 can be separated into 4 wires and wired in series.

http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=97FtAAAAEBAJ&dq=patent:2510162&as_drrb_ap=q&as_minm_ap=0&as_miny_ap=&as_maxm_ap=0&as_maxy_ap=&as_drrb_is=q&as_minm_is=0&as_miny_is=&as_maxm_is=0&as_maxy_is=





#2,709,219 High Frequency Transformer and Circuit
The antenna wire is what amounts to a trifilar with a bifilar coil having the turns in the same direction:

http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=vplkAAAAEBAJ&dq=patent:2709219





#2,955,223  Traveling Wave Tube
Unusual 3-dimensional shape, in a loop, that looks something like a Mobius coil, too.
(Can be built in a circle for a toroid shape---and for good measure---have an electrically insulated Caduceus coil wound over it):

http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=vqRvAAAAEBAJ&dq=patent:2955223




#2,957,103 Aerial Array
Similar to patent above with a different shape:
(I could only get this patent to load and run in .pdf on
 http://www.pat2pdf.org)





#3,267,476  Vehicle-Mounted Half Wave Antenna with Impedance Matching Transformer
Has Tesla coil applications with a built-in transformer:

http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=6cNRAAAAEBAJ&dq=patent:3267476





#3,495,264  Loop Antenna Plural Helical Coils on Closed Magnetic Core
Also has Tesla coil applications with a built-in transformer:

http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=AXBaAAAAEBAJ&dq=patent:3495264





#4,004,179  Slow Wave Circuit Having Serially Connected Contrawound Two-Turn Helices
This is more than a little different.  Was designed for microwave signal frequencies.  Has the same potential as #2,955,223 above:

http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=hxgxAAAAEBAJ&dq=patent:4004179





#4,028,704  Broadband Ferrite Transformer-Fed Whip Antenna
Essentially a vertical wire with a crossover toroid built into the base to a co-ax cable:

http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=FVIvAAAAEBAJ&dq=patent:4028704





#5,734,353  Contrawound Toroidal Helical Antenna
Several embodiments of something similar to patent above; with more creative ways of winding a toroid:

http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=6mAkAAAAEBAJ&dq=patent:5734353


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« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2009, 03:16:52 AM »
#2,537,191 Antenna
3-dimensional setup with more than one different ambodied shape:

http://www.google.com/patents?id=nGtgAAAAEBAJ&pg=PA1&dq=patent:2537191&as_drrb_ap=q&as_minm_ap=0&as_miny_ap=&as_maxm_ap=0&as_maxy_ap=&as_drrb_is=q&as_minm_is=0&as_miny_is=&as_maxm_is=0&as_maxy_is=&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=2#v=onepage&q=&f=false





#3,530,430 High Frequency Transformer and Circuit
Offset, spiral wire antenna attached to a pyamid shape:
(I could only bring up this patent on   http://www.pat2pdf.org   while using this computer.)






#3,534,372 Horizontal Broadband Omnidirectional Antenna
Flat antenna with overlapping turns in several directions that can be wired in series by the experimenter:

http://www.google.com/patents?id=h7ZiAAAAEBAJ&pg=PA1968&dq=patent:3534372&as_drrb_ap=q&as_minm_ap=0&as_miny_ap=&as_maxm_ap=0&as_maxy_ap=&as_drrb_is=q&as_minm_is=0&as_miny_is=&as_maxm_is=0&as_maxy_is=&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=2#v=onepage&q=&f=false





#3,716,861 Serpentine Antenna Mounted on a Rotatable Capacitive Coupler
Similar to patent above with a different shape:
Unusual, wavy  out-and-back antenna with Mobius applications(Fig. 7):

http://www.google.com/patents?id=S0A5AAAAEBAJ&pg=PA2&dq=patent:3716861&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=2#v=onepage&q=&f=false





#4,804,965  Flat Wide Band Antenna
Flat coil antenna with a wide variety of embodied shaped(i.e, Iron Cross):

http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=IYREAAAAEBAJ&dq=patent:4804965





#5,404,117  EAS System Loop Antenna Having Three Loops of Different Area
Also has Tesla coil applications with a built-in transformer:

http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=tcsgAAAAEBAJ&dq=patent:5404147





#5,805,114  Expanded Quadruple-delta Antenna Structure
Unusual; mostly triangular system that can have a power takeoff in the middle of the system, with 3-dimensional applications:

http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=E0IhAAAAEBAJ&dq=patent:5805114





#6,147,655  Flat Loop Antenna In a Single Plane for Use in Radio Frequency Tags
Flat antenna that has 90 deg. loops which angle off in several creative directions:

http://www.google.com/patents?id=cw4GAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4#v=onepage&q=&f=false


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« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2009, 02:59:45 AM »
#2,153,975 Radio Direction Finder
Vertically oriented, 3-dimensional setup that was designed as a transmitting antenna.  Has 4 air coils in one embodiment, 5 more with wires between them,  and a counter-wound bifilar that could be added to these in a third drawing:

http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=F_dYAAAAEBAJ&dq=patent:2153975&as_drrb_ap=q&as_minm_ap=0&as_miny_ap=&as_maxm_ap=0&as_maxy_ap=&as_drrb_is=q&as_minm_is=0&as_miny_is=&as_maxm_is=0&as_maxy_is=





#1,350,100Radiosignaling
This an earlier version of the patent immediately above with a center aligned wire having air coils on it down the middle.  Otherwise it's pretty much the same.

http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=RP9RAAAAEBAJ&dq=patent:1350100&as_drrb_ap=q&as_minm_ap=0&as_miny_ap=&as_maxm_ap=0&as_maxy_ap=&as_drrb_is=q&as_minm_is=0&as_miny_is=&as_maxm_is=0&as_maxy_is=





#2,373,206 Mechanically Tuned Loop Antenna
This one has nuclear applications as a transmitting plasma guide means.  The coils can be wired in series as a lengthy voltage accumulator:

(I had to use    http://www.pat2pdf.org    on this one.  Each computer is different and Advanced Patent Search won't work.)

OUT OF TIME ON THIS COMPUTER

WILL RETURN LATER



--Lee
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Re: Patents involving antenna and aerials, mainly for transmitting...
« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2009, 03:27:40 AM »
Has anybody ever built a 'schumann resonance' Tesla Coil? 7Hz to 50Hz variance.

I know it would require a lot of winding but a nice lathe could tackle the job.

I don't think there could be anything better as far as a schumann resonance air coil electrical generator.

the Earth's own schumann resonance would resonate the secondary and generate all the electricity you wanted.

Jerry ;)

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Re: Patents involving antenna and aerials, mainly for transmitting...
« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2009, 05:41:56 AM »
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...I know it would require a lot of winding but a nice lathe could tackle the job. ...
Yes, a lot of wire would be needed, to put it mildly.  Probably as much municipal, residential and commercial wire presently existing in a large worldwide city.  7 Hz is 186,000 miles/7Hz per sec. = over 23,700 miles for each wavelength.  A lathe might be able to turn a coil built in many, many, many sections.


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...I don't think there could be anything better as far as a schumann resonance air coil electrical generator. ...
Take a look at:

http://www.iihr.uiowa.edu/projects/schumann/Index.html

I have a point to make: without seeing this group's test results, there's nothing to keep other frequencies from impacting a coils with more energy than the Schumann wave harmonics in their entirety.
I admit they could always use a bandpass filter to eliminate this interference.


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...the Earth's own schumann resonance would resonate the secondary and generate all the electricity you wanted.
Do you know how much power that is, exactly?  One source I looked at said the power available was minute compared to all other wavelengths.

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Re: Patents involving antenna and aerials, mainly for transmitting...
« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2009, 06:19:18 AM »
Hi Big M.

it would really depend on where it is built and the additional ambient radiation induction of the coil, orbiting in space through the Earth's Magneto sphere is optimal at best do to induction times velocity like the tethered satellite experiments.

however, on the Earth in a stationary position it would probably have an induction value of the Earth's Magnetic field.

The strength of the field at the Earth's surface ranges from less than 30 microteslas (0.3 gauss) in an area including most of South America and South Africa to over 60 microteslas (0.6 gauss) around the magnetic poles in northern Canada and south of Australia, and in part of Siberia.

Typical daily variations of field strength are about 25 nanoteslas with variations over a few seconds of typically around 1nT.

with additional ambient field radiation it could increase the factor greatly.

even a 60Hz air coil should pick up everyones household radiation leakage pretty good for quite some distance acting as an antenna. so an air coil of around 50 to 60Hz might do the job.

I think I'll stick with Super Solar Cells instead.
Jerry :)