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Author Topic: Selfrunning waterhose water perpetual motion experiment by Tony Hughes  (Read 22081 times)

The Nephew

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Cut my hose to 12' had it tied to a chain link fence with zip-ties, filled my bucket with water, set up my laser line. Can't see the line, will have to wait till later this afternoon when the shade hits that side of the house.
Is everybody else using a laser to get their results?


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Here is a link to a picture of a pool that had to be designed to fit the curvature of the earth in order to get it to flow on all sides evenly.

http://deathstar.rutgers.edu/people/dtulloch/pics/boston.html

I am going to see if I can find more information about it, but think about this for a minute. If the sides had to be altered to get it to flow, this means that the earth's curvature does alter the height of water over long distances; even in the same container (pool). That means that, theoretically at least, it may be possible to have perpetual water flow in the same container of water. Just as long as the container is long enough that the curvature of the earth comes into play.

If the tube where a mile long, the curvature of the earth would drop by 4 inches. ( based off 10 ft drop for every 30 miles length.)

brian334

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More magic water that flows uphill.
All of the water in the hose is above the source, so it must be magic water.

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So is " level " circular?

spinner

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Is everybody else using a laser to get their results?
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Why use a laser for a concept, which has been solved and understood many many centuries ago?

Babylonians, Egyptians, Mayans, ancient Greeks, etc, etc...They all knew the secret....
I think they were using a "Teflon" coated bamboo for their OU hydraulic stuff....

"Selfrunning waterhose water perpetual motion", eh?
Thanks, Stefan, for bringing this to our attention.

Jeeez....
Not surprised, after all it's the 13th century now....

Bubba1

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2 inches in 10 feet = 2/120 = 1.67%.  I think 2 inches in 10 feet is too hard to measure accurately.  Maybe the guy thought he was working with a level surface, but wasn't?

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Hi all I`m the one who did the experiment. I was thinking after reading the posts maybe i was off with my measurements. I did it again in a different location. I made sure all was level and got the same results. I dont believe I could be off level by 2 inches. I`m going for a foolproof test this weekend, I`m going to go buy a small long clear hose thie weekend and make a water level. I will redo it one more time. If i`m wrong I`ll offer a sincere appology, for i enjoy this site alot. But if I`m not do with info as you will.  Dosnt seem like that big a deal anyway, at the rate of flow above intake, it woulld take alot of pipes to get a strong enough flow to turn a water wheel.

Bubba1

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Hi all I`m the one who did the experiment... Dosnt seem like that big a deal anyway, at the rate of flow above intake, it woulld take alot of pipes to get a strong enough flow to turn a water wheel.

If it's true, it's a very big deal.

craZy

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after you get to far above intake air will enter hose. Also if you squeeze the end of hose a little it helps to stop air from entering end of hose.

craZy

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on my second try at this i had the hose rise to only 14 inches above water intake. I tried to curve the hose back into bucket, but could not the flow would stop. I guess it only flows smoothly in a straight line

Bubba1

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on my second try at this i had the hose rise to only 14 inches above water intake...

Was that water intake, or water level?  There is a difference.

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Was that water intake, or water level?  There is a difference.

I hope he didn't make such a basic mistake.

crazy, here's a simple test to confirm it. Fill two buckets equally with water. Move them apart and make sure they remain at equal height. Now let the outlet drop in the other bucket. Since you say it can flow 2 inches above the supposed water level you should have no problem letting it flow. The very second the water flows you instantly win.

ResinRat2

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Anyone can test this out who has access to a body of water, like a lake, or even just a large swimming pool. Unfortunately that is not the case for me. I have no body of water nearby.

Just use a hose 15 feet or longer in length.

Good luck.

 

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Hi Jim,

I don’t even want to go there because I don’t believe the water weight is the reason the water would flow. I think that in order to eliminate any errors in “leveling” the experiment needs to be done in the same body of water; not in two separate buckets.

I believe this would work, but it needs to take into account the curvature of the earth. That is why the length of the hose is important. As I posted previously, the earth drops off at approximately 10 feet for every 30 miles in length. So a pipe that is a mile long and started out at the surface of the water would have the water level drop off a total of 4 inches over the length of the pipe. This means that the siphon effect would allow the water to flow even though it was at a higher altitude( as referenced to the water level) further down the pipeline. Water seeks its own level, but it does that in reference to the surface of the earth.

That means that a pipe or hose that is a quarter of a mile in length would have the water level drop off a total of one inch. That one inch is enough to get water to flow

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P-Motion,

What would keep air from entering through the funnel at the bottom, up the pipe, and into the vacuum; or what would keep air from entering through the bottom drain of the large reservoir and bubbling up into the vacuum as the water drains out? If water can go up the funnel pipe, then so can air. This is also true for the bottom drain opening as well.

This is what I think would happen because air would naturally want to rush in to fill that vacuum.