When I look at the ideas for use with over unity devices I am left wonderig if the inventor has stoped to considerer how much energy it takes to move mass against friction and inertia?  Except for some ideas I have seen in magnetic motors which can add electrical energy by their movements through magnets with coils and perhaps aid themselves, there is no reason to want to look at any idea that involves movement of large masses since these require allot of force and hence energy at input to move.

Only if there is some new and unique view to over coming the losses due to friction and inerta where moving masses are used in an over unity device, can we look at the idea.  I will however say I will look at some magnetic motors: I will.  I will how look at them in light of the rest of physics however.

We can then say that except for one case there is no reason to pursue the possibility of an over unity device based upon mechanical ideas: except for magnetic motors.  This then should guide you and you should then look more to solid state non moving principles: at least non moving on the surface level for their may be allot of movement on the electron level.

If you think about this you will see the wisdom of it.  You will then know in what other directions to move in that may be more productive.   This should get us on the right road and cut more to the chase than in going off into odd directions to view side light items in the parade and light show theater of ideas and notions for sale.

Daniel Jackson

 The ring is the mechanism that will free man of his addiction to fossil and nuclear energies.
It is energy in the purest and most natural form Kinetic. It's sole purpose is to transform energy in a cyclic manner. However it complies with ALL the qualifiers of conservation of energy. angular and linear, if i might add in a extremely hyper manner in a friction-less environment. 

Good observation on the electron thing it's run amuk. the proton and photon are involved as well if you want to look at it in that level. However to quantify it is to reduce it to nothing. There are many ways to describe the interactions but the only real way to look at it is as applied electromagnetic wave harmonics. However it is the prime model for such manifestations.

I'm not the math guy. numbers confuse me above the basics. the more i look at mathematics the more it confuses me. However that gives me a truly optimistic observation of it. Mathematics is mearly a form of communication like the written language. Mathematics has self declared that unity is as you describe. For some reason it works that way. However if the sciences are ever going to discover what occures in natural physics they are going to have to admit that natural physics is ABSOLUTE. 

Mathematics could never discover this! Which makes it the improper tool to use for discovery. It doesn't work out in the mathematics. It represents the integer in nearly every aspect. It is multifarious and implicates what mathematics and the sciences deny or misunderstand. To the sciences it's a pseudo scenario.  Thus the prototypes.

Anyways Unity is NOT 1 it is (0.999999999999999 infinite) Mathematics rounded it off to 1. making it useable in mathematics as a multiplicative identity. In essence making mathematical unity and natural unity out of sync. The reaction is the misunderstanding of =0 above the basics. The basics =0 represents nil, nothing, no result, nada.  Above the basics it represents true unity and the point where a true equilibrium
is reached.

How does mass get involved in E=mc2?? It was an observation of light! No wonder he falsley predicted the speed of light cannot be exceeded by mass. E=mr2 is more like it. Your the math guy have you ever looked at ring theory?? This mechanism is ring theory in application. But not limited to just that theory GR and SR are implicated as well as string theory, superstring theory and every other credible theory out there. They are all simular theories in a fragmented way, just the terminology is different. The manifestations are the same weither it's aether, dark energy, ZPE, ZPF, etc. it all comes down to wave harmonics and the wave form via wave function.

The perfect wave form is the ring. I'm working on a 9 slit test in a pan of water to support this. Your welcome to do it yourself. 3 circular barriers, 3 slits each, 3 different sizes to fit inside eachother with some space between them. Offset the slits so they don't align with the next circular barrier.  drops in the middle of the center circular barrier. post your results but don't forget the origin of the experiment.

I don't doubt your ability or capabilities. I'm not insulting your intelligence, I'm  challenging you to use your intelligence to decypher natural physics.


 
 



 

Sure but what you are doing is taking a unified closed system created by an event (the radii) and split it into 2 seporate systems (the radius). still a qualifier of unity Via the radius of the natural sine. However your example is coaxial.

I'm applying a multipole configuration.
See post (fully baked innovation) http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,498.0.html

This thread was started on March 02, 2006, and so I am wondering if to date that anyone has solved the mass versus inertia problem in moving mass systems as the beginning of this thread states?

I would say that the problem with moving mass over unity ideas are suspect.  Here on the internet I can see allot of companies sprung up with devices based upon moving parts and magnets as well as coils etc.  And then they disappear.   Maybe the device wasn't at all what it was being sold as.  I mean if these things did as they are being sold as then we would hear about them in the news after awhile.  There would be an announcement somewheres about an over unity generator being discovered and tested in an university by students and faculty.

From March 02, 2006 to now, since this thread was started I am thinking that the statements herein are truth.

We do need to stop looking at allot these promises of coil and magnetic based technologies that come and go year in and year out and move onto another area of physics such as perhaps electrostatics and get away from all of these devices that are moving heavy masses against the  counter force of inertia and the counter force of friction.

Some very interesting things are going on in the world of electrostatics such as the use of asymmetrical capacitors for antigravity thrusters and there is even a device now thats similar to the asymmetrical capacitor lifters that appears to move mass by gravitational principles without the ionic thrust principle of the Lifters such as are being used at JLN Labs.  And this new device is based upon an old idea.  The original concept refers to it as gravitational warp.  And it dates back to the 1930's.

I am going to act as a prophet here and say that over unity will not come to us in the form of any electromechanical device with moving parts such as armatures and with masses such as magnets and coils and disk.  I would be very surprised if it did.  Yet, electromechanical devices are being built everyday it seems and so what is the sum of it all?  Nothing to show for it all to date!

It would be nice if there is some device ready out there and if it does have moving masses well then so be it, but, I am being a little wise here and using my head.

Energy versus mass versus counter forces such as inertia and friction?

I must confess that the replies to this thread above are a bunch of nonsense being uttered up here.  And one concept does not make a starship.  If all people can do is utter up their entire technical vocabulary in one paragraph of techno babble and then exhaust all of their knowledge in that one paragraph then they are not researchers or scientist or technicians. 

Multiple applications engineer up a new concept and system.  One principle begins it all but many more concepts are drawn upon in the course of research and design.

If one can not transform their views into a few layman's terms then I am suspect of their technical training.  I am trained in electronics and some of the ideas here being talked about about coils and magnets are not in my physics books or electronics books.  I am unfamiliar with the words and ideas of the esoteric and exotic sort, with all of the metaphysical talk sown into the mix.  Thats not science.  Thats all make believe or urban myth science.

SFG. No slam But,

Your right. That kind of thinking goes all the way back to Maxwell-Heavyside.. Because Heavyside was lazy and didnt want to do the math when he translated Maxwells work. THE Unified field theory has been labled a myth or fiction. All mass has atoms and therefore enertia. Frequency/timeing play an important role in extracting energy. Hell from anything, From Coal, To magnet motors. To say that it is a myth or it cant be done is nieve. Even the normal science as most see it today say that you cant create or distroy energy, Only move it. Ok, move it from where to where? Is that one field or two? my guess is one. All energy comes from and goes back to the same place In my oppionoin. We use it when we move it, Thats all there is to it. One field. Generates all energy, Even heat-light- elecrtricity, All of it. Myth or not Maxwell i think was right. So was Tesla,T.H Morey, Hendershot, Bill Muller, Steven Mark and a host of others. Some new kids on the block will get a good start right here on OU.com. And Thank-you to Stephan Hartman for creating it. Everyone here knows they (The new kids) arnt going to be tought theories of OU/Zpe or any other theory for that mater other than the dogma of current thinking/Science in any school. Lest i remind you all in Maxwells day, The things we do 24-7 with the common electron was "Crazy talk, Myths and urbon ledgond''. Kind of makes ya think dont it? Hell he had never even seen one. But he knew they are real. And had potential, And great things did come of his discoveries. and 150years later,, well you get the idea.

We, Well I'm, not looking for normal science here @ Ou.com, If I were. I'd be buried in tec manuals. Well i do that too. But the point is, We are all standing on a huge dinamo called earth. At what point do we agree that we, As the human race can extract useable, Clean and cheap energy from its mass,enertia and magnetic fields, And then begin to search for those answers in ernest? That Sirs is the 100-Billion-Billion,dollar "Q" And the reason most of us are here. The hunt has begun.

 Just my .02, And my search     .M.

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