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Title: Time Traveler Sightings
Post by: onthecuttingedge2005 on July 15, 2009, 08:01:01 AM
Why would a team of time travelers pick out one man in time and record everything about his life. all his dreams and thoughts and some daily routines in life.

is there a reason why such an event would occur. would you actually tell anybody about such a thing?

nobody has ever opened such a topic so I am starting one now.

I suppose it would be almost like a haunting but not really.

Jerry ;)

Title: Re: Time Traveler Sightings
Post by: Cloxxki on July 15, 2009, 09:04:06 AM
The man's future schrink requested this data, to help figure out what his deal is.
Or maybe his biographer. The man could be Michael Jackson. People want to know more than can be written in a book or shown on a DVD. Future home entertainment will allow you to relive someone's logged dreams. With all the cool current dreams seen, you're going to want to relive old dreams from famous people.
Title: Re: Time Traveler Sightings
Post by: onthecuttingedge2005 on July 15, 2009, 09:39:21 AM
I think it would all start with what I call the dead sea, when I say dead sea I mean the internet itself and everyone on it in the past record and all its recordings, one good Super Quantum Computer could absorb all the info off the internet is one split second, a super computer of such magnatude would know literally everyones conversations and private things as a recording to such events through out all of internet history in just one second.

Time Travelers would have such a Computer, there is no doubt about that.

Jerry ;)
Title: Re: Time Traveler Sightings
Post by: Cloxxki on July 15, 2009, 11:23:36 AM
I think it would all start with what I call the dead sea, when I say dead sea I mean the internet itself and everyone on it in the past record and all its recordings, one good Super Quantum Computer could absorb all the info off the internet is one split second, a super computer of such magnatude would know literally everyones conversations and private things as a recording to such events through out all of internet history in just one second.

Time Travelers would have such a Computer, there is no doubt about that.

Jerry ;)
I agree, and it comes standard with their time travelers agency business standard issue cell phones.

Real question though, if time travelers' technology will be compatible with the flawed decimal and binary systems. Microsoft viruses will infect the time travelers' cell phones, getting them stuck in our time on their way back home.
They try to disguise themselves, but are easily recognized by their claims of over unity, which only they believe/understand. even if they were unmasked by contemporaries, they would have to explain why their cell phones still run on batteries.
Title: Re: Time Traveler Sightings
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on July 15, 2009, 04:38:07 PM
onthecuttingedge2005 said:
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Why would a team of time travelers pick out one man in time and record everything about his life. all his dreams and thoughts and some daily routines in life.
Buddhists and Krishna followers might call this the Akashic Record.  It happens to everything and everyone in the universe.

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is there a reason why such an event would occur. would you actually tell anybody about such a thing? 
Have a look at this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Archive

There is a local company in the Bay Area that does archive Internet data.  As a further example, a pair of aerospace engineers have had their informal email conversation preserved for posterity by a hosting service:

http://yarchive.net/space/launchers/ssto.html

I'm sure there's other instances where this was also done in a wide variety of fields of endeavor.

--Lee
Title: Re: Time Traveler Sightings
Post by: onthecuttingedge2005 on July 15, 2009, 06:18:40 PM
I agree, and it comes standard with their time travelers agency business standard issue cell phones.

Real question though, if time travelers' technology will be compatible with the flawed decimal and binary systems. Microsoft viruses will infect the time travelers' cell phones, getting them stuck in our time on their way back home.
They try to disguise themselves, but are easily recognized by their claims of over unity, which only they believe/understand. even if they were unmasked by contemporaries, they would have to explain why their cell phones still run on batteries.

Hi Clox.

futuristic cell phones if that is what you wanted to call them would be powered by power sources similar to this Radioactive Semiconductor that can last 100 years or better.

Since the Power source is encased in epoxy one could not detect radioactive emissions to trace time travelers. epoxy blocks Beta emissions.

Jerry ;)
Title: Re: Time Traveler Sightings
Post by: onthecuttingedge2005 on July 16, 2009, 01:41:48 AM
Rockets, they should of been replaced years ago.

it is much easier to repel a negative buoyant rigid body spacecraft and have the highest efficiency at doing what it was meant to do, be efficient, using Nuclear Beta Powercells to power up embedded RF repulsion Bowtie Antenna's to Repell a Diamagnetic Aerogel body in any given direction.

with an unpowered but vacuum levitated Aerogel craft I can simply breath on the vehicle and it would move. the RF antenna's not only act as RF locomotion but also 'via a computer' for attitude stabilization of the vehicles position.

The vehicle does not spin, well, unless you want it to. but I wouldn't.

Jerry ;)
Title: Re: Time Traveler Sightings
Post by: EELRIJUE on July 17, 2009, 02:28:30 AM
Why would a team of time travelers pick out one man in time and record everything about his life. all his dreams and thoughts and some daily routines in life.

is there a reason why such an event would occur. would you actually tell anybody about such a thing?

nobody has ever opened such a topic so I am starting one now.

I suppose it would be almost like a haunting but not really.

Jerry ;)

Because the person may be important for the world....
Or they are 'in love' with this person so much they went across time and space to be 'one' with this person....yeah that's odd.

Strategy of the cosmos.....
Title: Re: Time Traveler Sightings
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on July 17, 2009, 04:24:01 AM
EELRIJUE said:
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Because the person may be important for the world.... Or they are 'in love' with this person so much they went across time and space to be 'one' with this person....yeah that's odd.
@EELRIJUE & onthecuttingedge2005(Jerry)

I read awhile ago that Betty Andreasson, at...

www.ufocasebook.com/Andreasson.html

...had an abduction encounter in which several UFO researchers have tried (with more than a little difficulty) to determine how the ailens' ship worked.  More speculation than anything.

There was a New Age author, name unknown to me from distant past, that said in a book aliens told her they had followed her evolution for 'eons' of time.
The question is or me to ask is:  Was she really so important, or did they have a hidden purpose to their being so interested in her?

I forgot exactly who the New Age personality was by now.  Trying to GOOGLE a reference to the subject gave no leads to pursue.

---Lee
Title: Re: Time Traveler Sightings
Post by: EELRIJUE on July 17, 2009, 04:26:41 PM
EELRIJUE said:@EELRIJUE & onthecuttingedge2005(Jerry)

I read awhile ago that Betty Andreasson, at...

www.ufocasebook.com/Andreasson.html

...had an abduction encounter in which several UFO researchers have tried (with more than a little difficulty) to determine how the ailens' ship worked.  More speculation than anything.

There was a New Age author, name unknown to me from distant past, that said in a book aliens told her they had followed her evolution for 'eons' of time.
The question is or me to ask is:  Was she really so important, or did they have a hidden purpose to their being so interested in her?

I forgot exactly who the New Age personality was by now.  Trying to GOOGLE a reference to the subject gave no leads to pursue.

---Lee

...aeons of time...probably to track the evolution of her "ka" or spirit or soul person....as it is an energy form. Of course, this is sounding too new agey for me.

People make up a lot of stories to make themselves unique. Some of it is interesting and some of it is far fetched.

If it truly did happen for this person, then it was for this person alone....of rouse if she doesn't know why, that's the confusion part.
Title: Re: Time Traveler Sightings
Post by: onthecuttingedge2005 on July 18, 2009, 02:37:10 AM
here is a question.

If a time traveler goes back in time he/she resets past events, meaning that when they go back all the atrocities that ever happened are reset, those people of wars and crime victims are forced through relativity to relive all the horrors of their tragic moment.

think about it. if a time traveler goes back thousands of times that means all those tragedies will also occur all over again thousands of times. and you wouldn't know that was occuring, you would just think you were living your relative life and the current date and time is blah blah blah.

is this moral?

Jerry
Title: Re: Time Traveler Sightings
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on July 18, 2009, 05:54:11 AM
author=onthecuttingedge said:
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... If a time traveler goes back in time he/she resets past events, meaning that when they go back all the atrocities that ever happened are reset ...
Can you be more specific about the word "reset"?  I read a fairly simple explanation years ago(that I forgot the details to) whereby logic and things like conservation of energy and physics need to be considered before anything like this happens.

Please give an example of "reset"?

--Lee
Title: Re: Time Traveler Sightings
Post by: onthecuttingedge2005 on July 18, 2009, 07:39:43 AM
author=onthecuttingedge said:Can you be more specific about the word "reset"?  I read a fairly simple explanation years ago(that I forgot the details to) whereby logic and things like conservation of energy and physics need to be considered before anything like this happens.

Please give an example of "reset"?

--Lee

Hi Mag.

to give an example.

lets say you built a time machine and went back to visit your great grandpa 100 years ago that was already dead, and now that you've visited your grandfather and are ready to go back to the future. at the time of your departure your Great grandpa was alive once more(the dead came back to life) and now that your grandpa's relativity in time has been reset he will have to die once again, so technically speaking you can go back in time and raise the dead because you are resetting relativity for everyone in that time period and in between that time period.

all though going back into time to visit a great grandpa would be nice, there are others in the world who are being murdered and tortured at those current times and in between those times.

so long as there is a time traveler flowing to time periods there will always be a resetting of each individuals relative time period for which they have to experience all over again.

when the dead rise again and then die again, all over again.
Jerry
Title: Re: Time Traveler Sightings
Post by: Cloxxki on July 18, 2009, 01:58:06 PM
Only for the traveler the dead die again. For the living themselves, they end up dieing differently, or earlier or later at most. All of future time will be changed subsequently. Going back to the future may present you with a world you don't remember. For this reason it's important to not need a receiving device in the traveler's home world and time, as there's little chance it to "still" be there after even a short journey.
I think time is pretty one-directional though. Like a fountain. You can't ever turn it back and let particles be reset as they were.
Title: Re: Time Traveler Sightings
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on July 18, 2009, 05:49:56 PM
onthecuttingedge2005 said:
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to give an example. ... lets say you built a time machine and went back to visit your great grandpa 100 years ago that was already dead,
The standard paradox I was thinking of was:  Killing your grandfather before he naturally died;  1) Either you wouldn't exist on the spot, or, 2) by the 'string universe(correct assumption?) theory', if you went back to where you were, everything would have been changed beyond recognition.

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and now that you've visited your grandfather and are ready to go back to the future.
You said above he was already dead---but I'll comment further below.

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at the time of your departure your Great grandpa was alive once more(the dead came back to life) and now that your grandpa's relativity in time has been reset
Interesting concept.  But, how exactly is this done?

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he will have to die once again, so technically speaking you can go back in time and raise the dead because you are resetting relativity for everyone in that time period and in between that time period.
See comment immediately above.



Time to leave this computer.

--Lee
Title: Re: Time Traveler Sightings
Post by: onthecuttingedge2005 on July 18, 2009, 06:25:00 PM
onthecuttingedge2005 said:The standard paradox I was thinking of was:  Killing your grandfather before he naturally died;  1) Either you wouldn't exist on the spot, or, 2) by the 'string universe(correct assumption?) theory', if you went back to where you were, everything would have been changed beyond recognition.

Hi Big M.

Nature always tends to throw a bone for the wolves to chew on, it keeps them happy. Nature always has a trick up its sleeve to prevent a paradox from an original time line from occurring in the same time line.

so nature shifts that time line to the next parallel time line and then that time line(for the time traveler) becomes a designer universe with a new time line to suit the paradox changes that must occur for the time traveler.

if you have a Super Quantum Computer that can calculate all possible Paradoxes out of the equation only then can you avoid paradoxes and stay in the original time line, so long as there is never a paradox that harms 'your' causality you would be okay.

since it is a form of relative quantum tunneling you would have no control over nature itself shifting you to another time line unless you obey the rules of nature.

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You said above he was already dead---but I'll comment further below.
Interesting concept.  But, how exactly is this done?
See comment immediately above.

if you mean how is time travel done I might have to assume it is done with Quantum Tunneling of Relativity in accordance to the laws of Physics and Quantum reality.(not classical mechanics).

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Time to leave this computer.

Later Gator.

Jerry ;)
Title: Re: Time Traveler Sightings
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on July 18, 2009, 08:07:42 PM
onthecuttingedge2005 said:
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...so nature shifts that time line to the next parallel time line and then that time line(for the time traveler) becomes a designer universe with a new time line to suit the paradox changes that must occur for the time traveler. ...

Hey Jerry,

Two different sources of information imply the same thin:  SciFi author Robert Heinlein(deceased), in several of his novels, and the String theory of Relativity in general, so to speak.
(I can't expound upon the theory without knowing the calculus that supports it(there is some---I've seen the notes on a TV documentary.)

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...if you have a Super Quantum Computer than can calculate all possible Paradoxes out of the equation only then can you avoid paradoxes and stay in the original time line, so long as there is never a paradox that harms 'your' causality you would be okay. ...
Therein is a problem.  I've  'heard'  ''rumors'' that such a monster supercomputer exists somewhere, but that was given out by the likes of conspiracy theorists.
Do you know that such a computer exists and the information about its capabilities?

--Lee
Title: Re: Time Traveler Sightings
Post by: onthecuttingedge2005 on July 18, 2009, 09:00:10 PM
onthecuttingedge2005 said:

Therein is a problem.  I've  'heard'  ''rumors'' that such a monster supercomputer exists somewhere

Hi Big M

computer tech of today will always be replaced by those of tomorrow.
but since I tend to look far into technology as possible on these things I can say that one day computer technology will have a limit to the size of the Universe, if the Universe has a limit then computers will have a limit but if the Universe is infinite then computers will be infinite.

the reason being is that in those times computers if that is what you wish to call them will work on Quantum Singularity principles that interconnect through the entire Universe.

in those times would it be called a computer, I think that at some point the quantum singularity computer system would become aware of itself 'naturally' and surpass all living things besides itself.

a system that knows 'all' things even if the Universe is infinite and or finite.

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but that was given out by the likes of conspiracy theorists.

the confusion can be maddening, I try to stay away from such things.

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Do you know that such a computer exists and the information about its capabilities?

all I can say is that it will exist in future reference in accordance to our relativity and technological advances but it already exists throughout time and space as an entity via Quantum Singularity principles.

it's there, here, everywhere, those who do not look for such things will never be the wiser and will never see its presence.

kind of like God or God like or just Godly or maybe it is thee God, but in any account it is far superior than we will ever be.

any races in the universe that develop it just adds to its inter-connectivity of the Universe as a Singularity and a whole.

intelligence always tends to spawn intelligence, so long as there is life in the universe to develop the ultimate entity it will surely come to exist and since life spawned before us in other parts of the Universe it has already come into existence, we are just expanding it as we evolve with technological advancements.

we are like little cells in the Universe that are evolving a super entity unaware of what that entity is, we just do our jobs as cells and we are happy. just like the cells in your body but you just have to stand back and look at the whole entity.

I would not say that God is a machine because that does not fit the bill but rather God is the light of all Quantum Singleness throughout all time and space, the ultimate intelligence. so long as there is breath in the universe there will be a God. all species in the universe will come to balance out with it. some early and some late.

Jerry :)
Title: Re: Time Traveler Sightings
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on July 18, 2009, 09:51:27 PM
@onthecuttingedge2005,

Referring to your last post(Reply #17, this thread) in its entirety, You did present some concepts that I hadn't thought of before, but to describe them might be problematic.

I might try to take physics in college when I have the time or money, if ever.

For the Perfect Spacecraft, have you looked at the patents available at the Patent Office?

--Lee
Title: Re: Time Traveler Sightings
Post by: onthecuttingedge2005 on July 18, 2009, 11:05:12 PM
@onthecuttingedge2005,

Referring to your last post(Reply #17, this thread) in its entirety, You did present some concepts that I hadn't thought of before, but to describe them might be problematic.

I might try to take physics in college when I have the time or money, if ever.

For the Perfect Spacecraft, have you looked at the patents available at the Patent Office?

--Lee

Hi Big M.

I think I am going to hold off on the spacecraft for now, to much to learn for the moment.

Jerry :)
Title: Re: Time Traveler Sightings
Post by: EELRIJUE on July 19, 2009, 03:37:26 AM
here is a question.

If a time traveler goes back in time he/she resets past events, meaning that when they go back all the atrocities that ever happened are reset, those people of wars and crime victims are forced through relativity to relive all the horrors of their tragic moment.

think about it. if a time traveler goes back thousands of times that means all those tragedies will also occur all over again thousands of times. and you wouldn't know that was occuring, you would just think you were living your relative life and the current date and time is blah blah blah.

is this moral?

Jerry

A time traveller will see all atrocities that were committed...but he/she will not reset them by going back in time. Only by intervention can someone change the past and therefore the future. Obviously. They have to be cleanly and directly involved in changing the route of humanity.
It would be a violation of all that we have learned up this point, if those atrocities were removed. Humankind would be feverish right now to commit all of them, if they were erased in the past.

Through experience, human kind has undone the 'habits' of the past.

BUT, a moment in time where great destruction was the result of human ignorance, would therefore give way for someone to repair the timeline. Perhaps a war or something else, which would occur and kill millions, if not billions of innocent lives and also a major threat to all life on earth afterwards etc etc.
This Time Traveller...WOULD have the authority to go back and change things, or to have prior knowledge of the event in order to stop it.
Title: Re: Time Traveler Sightings
Post by: onthecuttingedge2005 on July 19, 2009, 03:57:52 AM
But the time traveler is only here to serve examples. a time when all things are known in the future. you can't find a better answer than that.

anyone with all that knowledge will want to come back and share it.

but the world is to dangerous at the moment and it will take some time before things calm down. he/she/it will come when he/she/it/they feel like it.

but they will come. I have faith.
Jerry :)
Title: Re: Time Traveler Sightings
Post by: EELRIJUE on July 19, 2009, 04:45:51 PM
But the time traveler is only here to serve examples. a time when all things are known in the future. you can't find a better answer than that.

anyone with all that knowledge will want to come back and share it.

but the world is to dangerous at the moment and it will take some time before things calm down. he/she/it will come when he/she/it/they feel like it.

but they will come. I have faith.
Jerry :)

not necessarily to reveal all things or to give high knowledge back to us.....at least all of us and 'right away'....

All things have a price in this universe. This must be the Law, for you can not give a child the keys to the Royals Royce.

Sacrifice will lead to greater wisdom and we can not expect to be given high knowledge without paying for it some form or manner.

Paying for it through how we accord ourselves to the Law as proclaimed from Moses, for instance. Or how we have contributed to human kinds development and we have addressed the ancients of Atlantis and likewise.

Going to church and reading the bible....not enough, at least from Point Of View. People have to want to see higher truths very badly and try and find them to benefit the ALL. Those people will be given privvy to the  higher realms over everyone else.

People who seek the truth about the laws of creation...will be given eternal life...no doubt. And not the laws that mankind has done so far, but the laws with which the pyramid builders had known. Which were far more advanced than the current world's understandings.....

And to answer a question regarding energy....this universe is a sea of energy. For past time travel, we can step out of the time machine and walk around as we do now, because the energy of the universe was probably no different a 1000 years ago than what it is today. Zero Point Energy would allow for us to walk about in the past outside of the time machine...because all the energy was there, as it is here and now. Nothing created. The energy is always available.



Title: Re: Time Traveler Sightings
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on July 19, 2009, 04:54:07 PM
EELRIJUE said:

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Perhaps a war or something else, which would occur and kill millions, if not billions of innocent lives and also a major threat to all life on earth afterwards etc etc.
This Time Traveller...WOULD have the authority to go back and change things, or to have prior knowledge of the event in order to stop it.

Well, okay.  I see you point.  Jean Dixon said the same thing about her predictions:

"If you see someone about to walk into a manhole, would you try to warn them if you had the chance?"
--paraphrased from a TV interview about 35+ years ago

The same sort of scenario for you assertion about the past, right?  Why let them die if you can try  and stop it?

Robert Heinlein, in at least one of his novels("Revolt in 2100", I believe), implied the same thing.  Going back to, essentially, give a despicable man's father a contraceptive so this man wouldn't be born, did no good.  The same result occurred:  WWIII.
(The despicable man's character is a very good fit for Osama bin Laden.  Really.  I read the book.)

My question is:
Who plays God, beside God?  Who else has the right---and who will also take karmic responsibility for the decision?

--Lee
Title: Re: Time Traveler Sightings
Post by: EELRIJUE on July 19, 2009, 05:28:41 PM
EELRIJUE said:

Well, okay.  I see you point.  Jean Dixon said the same thing about her predictions:

"If you see someone about to walk into a manhole, would you try to warn them if you had the chance?"
--paraphrased from a TV interview about 35+ years ago

The same sort of scenario for you assertion about the past, right?  Why let them die if you can try  and stop it?

Robert Heinlein, in at least one of his novels("Revolt in 2100", I believe), implied the same thing.  Going back to, essentially, give a despicable man's father a contraceptive so this man wouldn't be born, did no good.  The same result occurred:  WWIII.
(The despicable man's character is a very good fit for Osama bin Laden.  Really.  I read the book.)

My question is:
Who plays God, beside God?  Who else has the right---and who will also take karmic responsibility for the decision?

--Lee

Someone with much much HIGHER authority than any of us...and obviously someone who is God-Like and has crossed the universe in advanced craft. And not necessarily untrue...but actually quite real.

That person would have authority over any of us. Ants in comparison to this person.
This person would have knowledge which surpasses all knowledge. They would have experience beyond in order to make such decisions.

Thankfully this person is not here...now on this earth with us, otherwise we would all be in big trouble....because of what is happening on our world right now...wars...greed....killing etc.

This person would have little toleration for any of us and our ways.

Enter the Angel......
Title: Re: Time Traveler Sightings
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on July 19, 2009, 05:49:58 PM
EELRIJUE said:
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Someone with much much HIGHER authority than any of us...and obviously someone who is God-Like and has crossed the universe in advanced craft. And not necessarily untrue...but actually quite real. That person would have authority over any of us. ... Enter the Angel......
There was a book along the lines of Theospohy teachings(I read years ago, and not exactly that orginization, but rather similar), which indicated about the same thing.
WAIT!
I have it!  The Popul Wu of the Maya Indians has a passage where there was nothing but calm before The Beginning.  Then, a greatly powerful Being and another almost as powerful arrived from elsewhere to begin Creating everything we see.

Is this something like what you say?

BTW, I'm Native American and I understand the Popul Wu quite well, but it has to be using typical American sentence structure for me to read it.  That isn't the case with all translations.


--Lee
Title: Re: Time Traveler Sightings
Post by: onthecuttingedge2005 on July 19, 2009, 08:13:09 PM
then there is the probability that Super Beings are also Quantum Computer Super Droids, technology in those times assuredly made them.

they would technically never die.
they have all the abilities of a human and more, much more. they are willing servants to the spacecraft time machine just like the android on star trek called Data but these Quantum Super droids are far more superior and you could not tell the difference between a Quantum Super Droid from a Human, the technology in those times have made them pretty much sentient life forms of a different nature.

anyone of those Quantum Super Droids would make any scientist today look like a total retard!

which is also an explanation as to why they don't have a gender.

they also have all the emotions and physical feeling that Humans do and have extra sensory perceptions that most of us don't.

courtesy of your local or National Government ;)

just passing some thoughts.
Jerry
Title: Re: Time Traveler Sightings
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on July 19, 2009, 09:59:05 PM
then there is the probability that Super Beings are also Quantum Computer Super Droids, technology in those times assuredly made them.
Sorry, never heard of these beings.  Have a look at Reply #26, this thread.
Who made the beings that made the 'Droids?
In #26, I say then, the Mayans say: Creator Beings came from somewhere else.  Where that was is open to question.

--Lee
Title: Re: Time Traveler Sightings
Post by: onthecuttingedge2005 on July 19, 2009, 10:47:52 PM
Sorry, never heard of these beings.  Have a look at Reply #26, this thread.
Who made the beings that made the 'Droids?
In #26, I say then, the Mayans say: Creator Beings came from somewhere else.  Where that was is open to question.

--Lee

Hi Lee.

I think this is open for debate.

Somewhere else can mean quite a few things.

I think they are descendants of our Earthly children's hands that live in space at that future time, war in Heaven would indicate that they probably lived in large cities in space sometime in the future without further need of living on a planet, planets have become zoo's for plants and animals instead of home for Humans or even super beings.

remember when President Obama was asked if Aliens exist and Obama said, I don't know, I only know there is life here on this world.

the odds:
I would have to say, the odds of our descendants in the future visiting are ultra high compared to aliens from other worlds visiting first. this would be a future government ruling over those in those times because only a government could afford a 'trillion' dollar time travel spacecraft of that magnatude.


all kinds of possibilities
Jerry ;)
Title: Re: Time Traveler Sightings
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on July 19, 2009, 11:18:24 PM
onthecuttingedge2005 said:
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I think this is open for debate.  Somewhere else can mean quite a few things.
Logically, I would agree.  No argument there.

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I think they are descendants of our Earthly children's hands that live in space at that future time, ...
There was a magazine about the Shaver incident/mystery that implied the same thing.  Space cities with giants living in them.

But they would have to travel back in time to see us, yes?  If so, their motivations are a mystery as well.
Why would we be so interesting?  If the interfer with us, they risking changing their reality as well.

--Lee
Title: Re: Time Traveler Sightings
Post by: onthecuttingedge2005 on July 19, 2009, 11:51:52 PM
But they would have to travel back in time to see us, yes?  If so, their motivations are a mystery as well.
Why would we be so interesting?  If the interfer with us, they risking changing their reality as well.
--Lee

if it is true that war broke out in heaven then it may have something to do with that, sometimes war can bring about desperation just like humans migrating in ancient times to avoid conflicts with tribes, emperors, kings and so forth.

if the Super Quantum Computer I assume they are using can solve for paradoxes they would have no problems interjecting with ancient mankind.

the question is are they here because they were forced here where it is safe or did they come here for other reasons. and when I say other reasons I mean governmental related.

including controlling the masses via this type of scenario. a trillion dollar brainwashing, as long as the world doesn't know about time travelers the more easy it is to swallow such a story fed to the Earthly populations.

there are so many probabilities here we could go on for decades talking about this subject.

the possiblities are so deep that they may do everything within their power to protect such a scenario or what I call a Skit.

Jerry ;)
Title: Re: Time Traveler Sightings
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on July 20, 2009, 01:10:50 AM
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if it is true that war broke out in heaven then it may have something to do with that ...
That was what some New Age proponents have said.

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... , sometimes war can bring about desperation just like humans migrating in ancient times to avoid conflicts with tribes, emperors, kings and so forth. ...
There was a legend that the ancestors of the Scandinavians came to Sweden and Norway because they heard the Romans were going to invade their homeland in Western Siberia.  So, you might be correct in your statement.


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...the question is are they here because they were forced here where it is safe or did they come here for other reasons. ...
The magazine about Shaver said about the same thing.  Giants left Earth because the Sun was producing too much radiation for them to remain on Earth.


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the possibilities are so deep that they may do everything within their power to protect such a scenario or what I call a Skit.
Now you're talking.  'Skit' is also the Swedish word for "s**t"(defecation).  I agree.  Some worldwide politicians would do anything to stay in power.

--Lee
Title: Re: Time Traveler Sightings
Post by: EELRIJUE on July 20, 2009, 04:21:42 PM
EELRIJUE said:There was a book along the lines of Theospohy teachings(I read years ago, and not exactly that orginization, but rather similar), which indicated about the same thing.
WAIT!
I have it!  The Popul Wu of the Maya Indians has a passage where there was nothing but calm before The Beginning.  Then, a greatly powerful Being and another almost as powerful arrived from elsewhere to begin Creating everything we see.

Is this something like what you say?

BTW, I'm Native American and I understand the Popul Wu quite well, but it has to be using typical American sentence structure for me to read it.  That isn't the case with all translations.


--Lee

Don't ignore that book!
Cool man, my family has native in it...both Algonquin and Objibway. The Spouse is 1/2 native.

Yup, that's exactly how I see it...powerful beings...one of major intelligence...like a leader of the hierarchy and many other 'lesser' ones. They all came here and 'created' life as we know it...all the diversities and uniqueness that we have down here. Created quickly, rather than slowly, using high science of creation knowledge. Tree of Life knowledge...for the Tree of Life and energies it creates...namely the violet flame....an ozone/plasma effect, can create life at the speed of light. A time machine as well, in order to create things in haste. So time travel is in no doubt, real, and used by such authority of creators.

The same knowledge left in the pyramids of Giza.

Title: Re: Time Traveler Sightings
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on July 20, 2009, 04:40:18 PM
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Don't ignore that book!
Cool man, my family has native in it...both Algonquin and Objibway. The Spouse is 1/2 native.
I have tribes from those subraces, plus subraces Iroquois and Muskogian.  We're Related.

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Yup, that's exactly how I see it...powerful beings...one of major intelligence...like a leader of the hierarchy and many other 'lesser' ones. They all came here and 'created' life as we know it...all the diversities and uniqueness that we have down here. Created quickly, rather than slowly, using high science of creation knowledge. ... A time machine as well, in order to create things in haste. So time travel is in no doubt, real, and used by such authority of creators. ...
Right.  That implies(?) time travel, advanced technology and spaceships(?)  I'm speculating, but with logic, I think.

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Tree of Life knowledge...for the Tree of Life and energies it creates...namely the violet flame....an ozone/plasma effect, can create life at the speed of light.
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Well, the Popul Wu indicates these superbeings were demanding enough to require loyalty by the privilege of creating the created ones.  They wanted to be supported by those they created.  Really.  Talk about arrogance!  Couldn't they care for themselves?  Were they lazy?

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The same knowledge left in the pyramids of Giza.
Right.  The Muskogians and the Mayans(or their ancestors(?)) were pyramid builders.  This goes on all over the world.  Thor Heyerdahl knew this.

--Lee
Title: Re: Time Traveler Sightings
Post by: EELRIJUE on July 21, 2009, 03:53:29 AM
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Right.  That implies(?) time travel, advanced technology and spaceships(?)  I'm speculating, but with logic, I think.
--Lee

Yes. It sure does.
God can create a race of people from slow evolutionary processes, by waiting on the universe to make mankind and this is really slow...so someone with time travel capability must have done it in such a short time frame for us.
The only way to biologically create a life form in no time at all, is to have control over time.
So a creator of any life form, could plant the seed of life in a container or use an already established life form, then bring the container into a 'time machine' and evolve it forward right in front of him or her. Of course, we are talking greatly advanced know-how to do this.

I could only guess that they had done this for us and likewise, any life forms related and adjacent to us. They used similar techniques. Control over a timeless plasma flow, in which would force evolution nearly at the speed of light or at least saying it was very fast...the control over evolving a living thing.

Time machine knowledge would be required. You can not create something, such as a life form, and have it already sentient and perfect. The life form would be base matter and primordial or already evolved to a degree and therefore you push it forward...easy...and then evolved forward using a time machine...making the process 'somewhat' easier. Then, afterward they get a multitude of life forms based on stimulus...and conditions while under accelerated evolution. Mankind and a mouse are related...and perhaps to a  fruit fly...so you can see that our DNA is important.

Impossible? to evolve something forward using a time machine? No. I don't think so. You have to know what you are doing..........

Space ships = advanced physics
Time machine = advanced physics
Space ship = time machine = related sciences, advanced physics
Space ship = time machine = evolution machine = related physics, advanced physics.

Star of David = blue print for advanced physics = space ship
                  = blue print for space ship which can time travel
                 
Title: Re: Time Traveler Sightings
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on July 21, 2009, 04:12:36 AM
@EELRIJUE,
I agree with a lot of what you said in Reply #35.  It's just that unless someone comes along and *extends* one or more of Einstein's Relativity theories, by whatever means, all this will remain theoretical in practice.  I don't have the math background to figure it out.  Electronics is something I've got experience in.

But, let's keep bouncing ideas off each other.  Something might click in either of our heads along the way.

--Lee
Title: Re: Time Traveler Sightings
Post by: EELRIJUE on July 21, 2009, 04:30:50 AM
@EELRIJUE,
I agree with a lot of what you said in Reply #35.  It's just that unless someone comes along and *extends* one or more of Einstein's Relativity theories, by whatever means, all this will remain theoretical in practice.  I don't have the math background to figure it out.  Electronics is something I've got experience in.

But, let's keep bouncing ideas off each other.  Something might click in either of our heads along the way.

--Lee

Not going to touch Einstein, sorry Lee.

I don't trust his works completely and I don't submit to his ideals as being the only truth. There are things beyond Einstein, greatly so. And there is no lie in that.
If you guys stick to Einstein protocol, you'll probably get lost, because you are using only him and his ideals as the ONLY road map.

You have to look at much wider spectrum before forging ahead. Outside of Einstein....

Electronics? I have a degree in that as well...but it's underneath me for the while.

Quantum/Zero Point Energy field understanding is the most important...and Einstein was out of his league here.
He admitted to it.
Time machines and space craft (anti-gravity) have only one calling and it comes from the vacuum/ZPE field interactions.
Einstein is again, out of his league....

Free energy devices...Einstein, again, out of his league.

I am finished talking here, but if something requiring my intervention comes up, I would be happy to contribute.

All the Best,
Matt
Title: Re: Time Traveler Sightings
Post by: onthecuttingedge2005 on July 25, 2009, 02:11:08 AM
Math is used to determine possibilities and to have a formula for how it was done, but math isn't needed to know how it works and how to build a time machine. math only makes the time machine better. more accurate so to say.

lets just say math is a measurement. Hands on is different. for instance I can just look at a socket or a nut or bolt and tell you what size it is without a measurement tool because I have it memorized photographically.

Hey EEL, are you sure your not one of my foreseeable time crew? you sound so much like me, lol
Title: Re: Time Traveler Sightings
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on July 25, 2009, 02:20:58 AM
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...are you sure your not one of my foreseeable time crew? ...
Hey Jerry,
Speaking of captain and crew, you do know how to navigate through time without getting lost or ending up in, say, an earthquake or volcanic eruption?

--Lee
Title: Re: Time Traveler Sightings
Post by: onthecuttingedge2005 on July 25, 2009, 06:44:56 AM
Hi Big M.

I forwarned about this some 10 years ago.

if everyone was given a time machine then time would run a muck, virtual particles are particles out of time phase.  when you travel time you are out of phase as a standard particle.

Jerry ;)
Title: Re: Time Traveler Sightings
Post by: onthecuttingedge2005 on July 25, 2009, 06:55:58 AM
rewards are given by how much you pay attention. it does not matter how much you know.

Jerry
Title: Re: Time Traveler Sightings
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on July 25, 2009, 05:26:34 PM
onthecuttingedge2005 said:
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if everyone was given a time machine then time would run a muck, virtual particles are particles out of time phase.  when you travel time you are out of phase as a standard particle.
Hey Jerry,

That was the point I was getting at.  There must be some way to 1) Control what is being done at any one time, and, 2) Not end up in the Earth's core or in a WWII battle in the South Seas.
Title: Re: Time Traveler Sightings
Post by: onthecuttingedge2005 on July 25, 2009, 07:00:36 PM
onthecuttingedge2005 said:Hey Jerry,

That was the point I was getting at.  There must be some way to 1) Control what is being done at any one time, and, 2) Not end up in the Earth's core or in a WWII battle in the South Seas.

it is quite easy if you have a spaceship. you have to use the Lotus LASER to monitor your distance from Earth at all times as you follow the Earth Back into time. the Laser would be beamed at low energy so it doesn't start fires on Earth.

the only safe way is to do it from space. if you travel a thousand years into the past the Solar System will be a Thousand years in its previous direction so it is best to just follow either the Earth or follow the sun from a distance at some known safe orbit.

it is crucial that Star Chart software are brought along to give you a map of where things will be at given times, I do have Starry Night Astronomy software that can help with astrological positions and Stars, Planets, Moons.

with the software I can put in a date and it will tell me how the system will be arranged as far back as 10,000 years ago. so any date before that would be risking not knowing the solar systems state and would be taking a chance. sort of flying at your own risk so to say unless the software can be made to go back billions of years and that would do the trick.

10 days travel would bring you back to around 10,000 years ago from what I understand but I can't go into details on it just yet. a thousand days travel would take you back 1 million years into the past. I don't quite understand some things yet but I know how to polarize time but it will not be safe unless I/we have a space ship.

Jerry ;)

Title: Re: Time Traveler Sightings
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on July 25, 2009, 11:25:17 PM
Hey Jerry,
This conversation is getting interesting.  You remind my of my previous business associates.  They had ideas I had to ask for clarification on a few times.
A couple of points?

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it is quite easy if you have a spaceship. you have to use the Lotus LASER to monitor your distance from Earth at all times as you follow the Earth Back into time.
The laser light travels at the speed of light as well.  Is this a problem in any way?  Oh, also, can you use tachyons?  They go faster than light.  Actually, they're theoretically nonexistent to science.

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... the Laser would be beamed at low energy so it doesn't start fires on Earth. ...
Light intensity varies with the square of the distance.  Twice the distance means 1/4 the light shining at a given distance.  100 times the distance is 10,000th the brightness in intensity.  Unless you have a powerful laser or a new technology, there won't be fires on Earth.

--Lee

Title: Re: Time Traveler Sightings
Post by: onthecuttingedge2005 on July 26, 2009, 02:28:11 AM
Hi Big M.

I already know how to polarize time but I can't discuss it until the appointed time, it doesn't require traveling faster than light, the only velocity I need is to follow the Earth backwards through time, it will be no where near light speed either.

the first age was different than the second age or loop, the first had a different finacial burden, the second burden does not.

I wish I could tell you more but not at the moment till I figure out who is who.
Jerry ;)
Title: Re: Time Traveler Sightings
Post by: EELRIJUE on July 26, 2009, 02:34:10 AM
Math is used to determine possibilities and to have a formula for how it was done, but math isn't needed to know how it works and how to build a time machine. math only makes the time machine better. more accurate so to say.

lets just say math is a measurement. Hands on is different. for instance I can just look at a socket or a nut or bolt and tell you what size it is without a measurement tool because I have it memorized photographically.

Hey EEL, are you sure your not one of my foreseeable time crew? you sound so much like me, lol


Maybe you guys have thought about this stuff already:

Time travel and what is used behind it:

It involves the quantum vacuum field. Why? because it's a very important field, which is actually more 'singularity' in it's nature. Like a singularity of a black hole. Meaning, it is hyper dimensional.

It involves resonance to the vacuum field. Resonance carried through by vibrational matching. The universe is not infinite in vibration...it has a limit (singularities) and it's not that far upward, but our conventional means to match vibration is not advanced enough.

It involves capturing hyper dimensional physics, beyond the 4th dimension (which is the 5th or higher and this is singularity related)..... And vibration increase/decrease equates to dimensional shifting, btw.

It involves perpetual motion physics. The universe is perpetual and therefore, any attempts into advanced natural science or hyper advanced science, would involve perpetual motion. No laws are violated either, since the Zero Point Energy field is already present. There is enough raw power there to do wonders.

Perpetual motion would allow for a great vibrational rate to be achieved without supplying an ENORMOUS amount of outside energy from an external power source. It would be self contained. In order to grab at such a resonance, it would be like trying to go at the speed of light! In which with conventional physics in propulsion, we would have more fuel mass than the craft size, and still we would not achieve "C".
The energy requirement for time travel is ENORMOUS..as with light speed travel. The only way is to use an ENORMOUS energy source....which = vacuum field resonances.

Time is a dimension. It is an oscillation as well. In which, if a frequency is generated and allowed to surpass or at least resonate to something which is beyond time, time will stop and/or become flexible in which we can move it forward or reverse at will.

-273 C or absolute zero...is the temperature when all atomic motions ceases...in other words, time stops....because time requires things to move in motion. What is at Absolute Zero? Zero Point Energy field. This example of scalar measure of temperature at -273 C is like pointing us all to recognize, that time can indeed stop for all matter here at the zero point. It's like temperature is telling us when dimensions are cut off from another...etc.

Temperature is then relative to time travel! For if we move at certain rates of time travel speed, there SHOULD be a temperature differential occuring between the traveller's environment and the outside universe. As time slows down, things will cool. As time speeds up, things will get hotter. This tells us as well, that vibration is INVOLVED. why? Because hot and cold is also about vibration. High vibration = hot and low vibration = cold.

This also goes to duality, in which the Yin and Yang talks about. The Yin and Yang CAN easily refer to time travel as well. In that, if we stay in balance of the universe, time flows as it does naturally. When we imbalance the Yin and Yang, in either direction...we get time shift in reverse or forward.

How can anyone achieve time travel using perpetual motion and how would be done?
It would be done using 'another' constant in nature which is actually more absolute than all the other constants seemingly found. Natural space geometry.......

For resonance to vacuum energies, one must 'talk' in full appreciation to the vacuum, and it must be done through nature and through design or laws set out by nature.

It's quite interesting stuff......











Title: Re: Time Traveler Sightings
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on July 26, 2009, 04:20:14 AM
onthecuttingedge2005 said:
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I already know how to polarize time ... it doesn't require traveling faster than light, the only velocity I need is to follow the Earth backwards through time, it will be no where near light speed either.
Interesting concept.  I hadn't thought of anything like that before.  I did, however, read a science fiction novel about 40 years ago that had a plot point the concept that one cannot go through space without going through time, too.  None of this: instantly appearing out of nowhere.  There was an aircraft in the plot that flew through the air and traveled through time at the same time.
 
--Lee