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Author Topic: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments  (Read 257296 times)

Offline Pirate88179

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #855 on: November 28, 2009, 12:24:38 AM »
freepow:

Also, I will add again that the alignment of your electrodes ( north-south meridian NOT magnetic north-south) and the angle on the bottoms relative to each other should match the magnetic dip angle for your specific area. This angle, of course, changes with the distance of the electrodes. It males a huge difference, at least it did for me.

Bill

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #856 on: November 28, 2009, 06:34:54 AM »
Tishitang,

RE: Induction side project.

The reason for mumetal on coil exterior is because electronic package will eventually be located in near vicinity of the coil. Because of this, magnetic field from exterior of coil could interact with circuit board aspects in a negative fashion. Mumetal on OD of coil will soak up any field in this direction and prevent from reaching circuit board. Field will still exist on interior of coil (where I want it).

I have performed first test run of this system and achieved positive results. Runs like a champ. I will be adding mumetal strips and other remaining components next week and get into specific application/performance testing.

I will have three of these systems running in short order. Each one employing same base circuit and coil, but varying downstream heat transfer mechanisms.


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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #857 on: November 29, 2009, 02:45:47 AM »
MW383
Good luck on your experiments.  Sounds like a lot of fun.  Look forward to your post of results and findings.

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #858 on: November 29, 2009, 09:17:46 AM »
@ cosmicfarmer

I charged the cap with my small EER array (.8v, 5 mA) and got nice amps after charging overnight, then hooked the cap to my small Joule-Thief with LED, but I realised that the volts were to low to power my
Joule-Thief, the cap had about  .3 -.4 volts, so I quick charged the cap with an AA-battery just for 20-30
seconds to get more volts in it and then the cap had over 1 volt, so I hooked the cap to Joule-Thief and left the EER array charging cap continuasly while the cap ran the Joule-Thief and the LED lit up nicely and the cap kept its amps at a constant level  :) :) Now I have to try and build up volts in my EER array then I should be happy...

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #859 on: November 29, 2009, 09:46:11 AM »
@ MW383

Now thats a nice bit of work there Mike, I'm refering to the coil you have made.
 
Here is a picture of an induction side project I have been working on. Electronic board = 120V/450W ; series and parallel resonant ; zero current switching ; 25-50Khz. Blue colored coil = not quite finished ; still needs mumetal strips added to outside diameter.

Note, this is electronic package I performed some ground testing with. Used Tesla style pancake coil for this. I wish I had a scope because I am sure it would have been interesting.

Cheers!

Your gonna love me, for this next bit, lol.
Yesterday I hunted around in the old scrap yard place and came across a BWD 511 oscillope, the power cord is missing, cause someone cut it off, I got the cro for, wait for it,,,,, $5 (now I got 2x BWD511's)

Bought 3 old valve radios, most are missing their valves, I bought them for the tuners, good old fashion biggies, and got a battery jump start unit for $5 (just need the 12v gauge).

Tomorrow when I get back home I will put the pikies on the forum.

jim

 

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #860 on: November 29, 2009, 11:09:37 AM »
    @ Bill

            A question for you Bill,  how long did you light those 400 LED's with your 650 F cap with your EER ?
            Did they light for very long ???

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #861 on: November 29, 2009, 10:30:44 PM »
    @ Bill

            A question for you Bill,  how long did you light those 400 LED's with your 650 F cap with your EER ?
            Did they light for very long ???

I never did a longevity test with that big cap.  I just left them on and they were on for a long time, a few hours at least, and when I turned them off that cap still had most of it's charge. Of course, it was still hooked up to the electrodes and being charged while the lights were on.

@ Jim:

What kind of nut throws out an o'scope that just needs a new cord?????????

I have said it before and I will say it again....I need to come down and go to those dumps with you sometime.  This is unbelievable.  You could probably sell that on Ebay and make a nice tidy profit.  Nice find.

Bill

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #862 on: November 30, 2009, 03:52:48 AM »
What kind of nut throws out an o'scope that just needs a new cord?????????

I have said it before and I will say it again....I need to come down and go to those dumps with you sometime.  This is unbelievable.  You could probably sell that on Ebay and make a nice tidy profit.  Nice find.

Bill
good to see you back bill.

i wish i had a dump like that around here. occasionally i get lucky and score a neon sign transformer or an obit (with the cord cut off also ???), but i have yet to find a scope.

i am very interested in mw383's pancake coils in the ground. i had asked bill awhile back in a pm if anyone had 'listened' to the ground using pancakes. like this, http://www.instructables.com/id/Spooky-Tesla-Spirit-Radio/ but listen to the earth instead of the air. my earth is about frozen here.

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #863 on: November 30, 2009, 09:28:38 AM »
@ ALL

I have EER cells that get about  .8 to .9 volts, but I need to get double that, but I've tried to go parallel in the ground but they seem to cut each other out, is there any way to do this and still get the advantages of normal earth waves etc.
????

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #864 on: November 30, 2009, 01:36:33 PM »
@all,

Well I got back home at long last, had a few emergencies to take care of whilst I was away, but that is another story I wont go into here.

OK, back to work lol.
As I mentioned previously I bought myself a BWD 511 cro I found in the scrap yard in the same area where the old 3 valve radios were, the pics are below.
It cost me $10 all up for all items, thrown in was a old standby battery charger kit which has a 12v DC meter, so I did all right this week end.

Bill, anytime you want to emigrate, that's fine, lol, I'l take you to all the dumps every day, free pik-n-no-pay places ha ha, you will need good strong boots that can withstand broken glass, sharp pointy steel, nails poking through wood etc etc, if you fall over, tough luck lol.

This is the method I use when dump scrounging, I find it is my sanity time.

Get to know the local council men who scavenge themselves (ha ha its true) and be on good first name terms with them.
Wear good stout shoes, in good condition.
Walk the whole length of the dump on the outside, then do the same from the back of the dump, a lot of stuff you cannot see from where the car is parked.
Walk it a couple of times, I have missed something the first time, look at each section in a different angle, grab a stick and move a bag or box if it looks like covering a good juicy "discovery".
If there is a "joe blake" (snake) their, just leave it alone, they are more frightened than you.

If you see something that you can use, pick it up and put it in the car boot, if the boot is too small, try the back seat, if it wont fit, take it apart, done that with my washing machines, well when you are a invalid pensioner, there is always a way ha ha.

Now, the dump is open for all those local farmers and towns people to chuck away all their "stuff" they don't want to own anymore, so as the council is going to drive over the lot with a bulldozer and make a new pit later on, why wast "stuff".
I'm just a recycle expert.

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Later on I will stick a new power lead on this cro and see if it will fire up.

night all, I'm too silly for words, too tired.
hooroo all

jim

Tomorrow I will do an experiment to show you all what happens when you wiggle one electrode in the earth, the other stationary, both electrodes connected to a moving coil meter, it is exciting stuff.

 

 

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #865 on: November 30, 2009, 01:57:05 PM »
I still need to post some more stuff before the night
Here is the car battery jump start unit, I got on saturday with all the other stuff in the above post.
The meter is not totally accurate,but it gives a very close "indication" of the voltage source, in this case 10-13.5volts dc
I couldn't even buy the meter itself for $10 which is what I paied for the whole lot.

1805 = case with the light, Meter, couple of push button switches, inside it contains the battery charger electronics, and a 12 v gelcell.
1806 = close up of the 12v gauge itself.

BTW, if you are looking for a replacement UPS (Unierruptable Power Supply) replacement battery, it's cheeper to buy the battery in this thingie, than to buy just the UPS battery, look at all the extra goodies you will get, well in Aussie it is so ha ha.

@ freepow, SuperCheep auto is the place  ;D
jim

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #866 on: November 30, 2009, 01:58:48 PM »
Freepow
Go here and download pat 329724

http://www.pat2pdf.org/pat2pdf/foo.pl

Explains how to hook up in series and why.  Explains the resistance between plates of a cell have to be much lower than the resistance between individual cells.  Actually he builds a condenser type EER.  So, may actually get capacitive coupling with the earth as well as regular battery action?

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #867 on: November 30, 2009, 04:43:48 PM »
I was listening to Caost To Coast last night (radio show originally done by Art Bell) and they were talking about the Shumann Resonance (7.83 hz) which is the resonance of the earth (plus all the harmonics) and, interestingly enough, the same frequency that the body uses for signal to the heart and other "electrical" organs in the body.

The study I read by the Russians long ago in the other topic put the earth's resonance at about 4-5 hz.  I do think it would make sense that, since we humans developed on the earth that our bodies would match, or be in sync, with the natural resonance of the earth so I think the 7.82 hz is probably the correct number.  although I have no idea if this is correct.

@ Jim:

Great finds down there in the dumps.  That scope looks great!

Bill

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #868 on: December 01, 2009, 01:53:05 AM »
@ Bill,
Thanks for those kind remarks, I was lucky to be in the right spot at the right time to pick up that scope, later today I will attatch a power cord to it, then we will see. BTW, thanks for posting the resonance of the earth, 7.8hz seems about right fot this.

OK ALL,
Yesterday I posted I would do a experiment, the idea is to show which electrodes interact the best picking up earth currents, and the results are surprising.
I used a COPPER as the North and positave electrode.
Aluminium, Copper, Steel and Magnesium coated rod.

Copper Positave and Aluminium produced the best results
                                        AT REST   MOVEMENT   ANALOG
POSITIVE        TEST METAL   V DMM     V DMM         OBSERVATIONS
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COPPER           MAGNESIUM = 36.0mv     71.0mv        needle slight movement
 
COPPER           STEEL         = -2.9mv     40.0mv        needle not moveing

COPPER           COPPER       = -20mv      -10mv          needle not moveing

COPPER           ALUMININUM = 80mv       198mv          needle swinging wildly back and forth
                                                                         
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Results =
1st Copper as Positave, Alumininun as Negative  produces best results
2nd Copper as Positave, Mag as negative
coper and coper, copper and steel  = zilch
My test photo below showing the setup

Tiny Videos following below this post
jim
 

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #869 on: December 01, 2009, 02:08:38 AM »
@ALL.
The method I used to test each electrode was to place a copper 1/2 inch pipe in the ground, this is the north and Positave.

Then I drove the test metal electrode in the earth and attatched the DMM and an Analogue swinging needle meter to the electrodes, Positaves to coper north and negatives to electrode which I will push backwards and forwards in a east west direction.

Below Tiny video is Copper V Aluminium
jim