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jeanna

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #765 on: November 12, 2009, 04:32:13 AM »
Hi cosmicfarmer,

I had the very same problem only with less than 4 diodes (I do not recall) all I got was 0.359v so you are way ahead of me with 0.6v
Anyway 0.6v is what the earth gives depending on the probes.
I am not talking about the 40 lb mag block and 2 fluted carbon rods here  ;), just some probes in the ground.

Do you know exactly what Dr Stiffler has for his arrangement?

I concur with tishatsang's way to find the best place in your back yard. (after you have learned what you can from Bill's earth site.)

Do you know how to make a simple galvanometer?

If you do maybe someone else does not, so here goes:

Start with a cheap but biggish 2 inch diameter compass.
Using some RS red mag wire, wrap about 60 turns around the north south line of the compass.
You can't get this to be straight, so you overlap to the right at the north and coming up from the bottom overlap to the left on the south. Either direction of overlap works, just be consistent. You will end up with a thick middle.

Be sure to leave longish like 18 inches for leads and , of course, sand the ends. You will need to add alligator clips to this too, but you will see a movement when there is some voltage.

The problem with this is the ac that rides atop the dc, so there will be some fluttering. Pay no attention to that for this. (I think)

This kind of instrument is exactly what NS would have used. (not for dowsing, but for seeing the voltage)

It is verrry sensitive and if you touch it to the ends of a battery you will see.
The needle whips around hundreds of times before it settles to one side or the other, always the same angle for the same amount of current going through the wires.
One way for pos other way for neg.
It is the original analog volt meter.

I am glad to see you around again.

jeanna

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #766 on: November 12, 2009, 04:32:24 AM »
Cosmicfarmer:

I don't know enough about Dr. Stiffler's latest work to be of much help here.  I did just want to point out that, if the charge you are getting on that big cap is anything like what I am getting, you will have a bunch of amps in there as well.  I'll bet if you took that cap at .642 volts and linked it to a JT circuit, you could light an led for weeks.

Your set-up is quite different from mine so this may not be correct.  I really love these big caps.

Bill

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #767 on: November 12, 2009, 06:34:01 AM »
@tishatang,

As I mentioned yesterday I would get involved with your MOT in the ground experiment.

I got a MOT from the MOT stack (12 of em, + more outside) and dusted the cobwebs off it.
Spent a couple of hours outside looking for redundant extension leads, found a few, cut the sockets and plugs off them.

Soldered the ends of the extension leads to the MOT, put the MOT in 3 plastic shopping bags, dug a hole and planted it.
Threw the ends of the extension leads through the "open" kitchen window, (powered by its own car electric wiper motor (bragging rights lol)), then dragged theends to the work bench. Put 6 small alligator clips, one to each wire.

Here are the pickies, the explanations and questions are later on.

1737, 1740, 1742= MOT being turned into something it is not supposed to be and stuck in de dirt.

1743= 1st time I hooked the MOT to the BWD115 CRO, lots of activity seen, it's all frequency folks, 2 DMMs showed NO voltage, not even mv.

1744= Stuck a 1N4004 diode in series with the output and got this.

There will be 2 TWV next, see you at the flicks. :D
jim
 

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #768 on: November 12, 2009, 06:43:26 AM »
@all

Its video time folks

1st TWV showing the waveform as I saw it the first time I connected the scope up to the underground MOT.

Lots of activity here, haven't got a clue to what is causing it, I checked the scope, and the green line went horizontal so scope is OK. I recommend someone else do the same to verify this result.

jim

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #769 on: November 12, 2009, 06:50:42 AM »
@all,
2nd video time

Here is the same output, but I placed a 1N4004 diode in series with the output.

All the spikes you will notice are upward, there is a lot of wobbling going on between spikes.

If I reversed the diode, the spikes inverted.

Still no voltage whatsoever.

OK tishatang, whats next! ;D

jim
« Last Edit: November 12, 2009, 09:49:16 AM by electricme »

jeanna

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #770 on: November 12, 2009, 07:52:19 AM »
jim,
The second video is the same as the first!

jeanna

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #771 on: November 12, 2009, 07:55:13 AM »
electricme

thats a nice idea using the transformer as a set of probes nice and compact and

could be a way of using that transformer as an earth receiver as well ;  )

keep  on tinkering

                               shane

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #772 on: November 12, 2009, 08:02:42 AM »
Jim:

I think I have an idea why no volts and just freq.  Your MOT is in the ground but it is not grounded itself.  To complete the circuit, I think maybe one lead from the MOT needs to be attached to a rod in the ground.

Just a thought.  I hope you are well my friend.

Bill

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #773 on: November 12, 2009, 09:49:08 AM »
 :) @ All

I want to charge my 1-F Cap from an EER (EB), do I just connect cap + to EB + and cap - to EB - ???
or do I use a diode etc.??
please could someone explain the best way to do this, thanks.

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #774 on: November 12, 2009, 10:13:45 AM »
@ jeanna,

jim,
The second video is the same as the first!

jeanna

I posted the 1st video, then did the second without checking the 1st one, then remembered, went back and checked the 1st.
Found the jpg numbers were wrong, changed it, saw it was OK.
Went away for an hour or 2, came back and saw it was back as it orig was. hmmm.

Anyway, I have re-done it again, it took much longer to replace than before though.
Thanks jeanna for letting me know.

jim

@All,
I just blew a diode on the MOT, ha ha.

I just shuved a 12v DC pulce through the primary of the MOT, the display on the scope changed, so I disconnected the scope, placed the secondary output wires 1mm apart and did it again.
Got a jucy blue spark to jump the gap, no wonder the diode fried.

Tought me a lesson, I betta wear rubber gloves mucking around this thing, this MOTs got energy when it fires up. 8)

jim

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #775 on: November 12, 2009, 10:23:23 AM »
@nightshade

electricme

that's a nice idea using the transformer as a set of probes nice and compact and

could be a way of using that transformer as an earth receiver as well ;  )

keep  on tinkering

                               shane
Thanks shane, but this was tishatangs idea, not mine, he asked for volunteers to help out with this experiment, so I stuck my hand up. :D

You just might be right about the magnifier effect though, (waiting for the MOT to magnify), I went to a site last night where someone gets better radio reception by sticking the aerial to earth and sticking earth to aerial connection, seems to pull in distant stations, overtime they all crowd together and its just so much noise.

jim

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #776 on: November 12, 2009, 10:29:33 AM »
@ Freepow

:) @ All

I want to charge my 1-F Cap from an EER (EB), do I just connect cap + to EB + and cap - to EB - ???
or do I use a diode etc.??
please could someone explain the best way to do this, thanks.

We need to know what the 1-F caps voltage is, and what the voltage your EEB is.

General rule is you need a higher voltage supply than what the 1-F caps rating is.

jim

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #777 on: November 12, 2009, 11:52:19 AM »
@ Jim

My cap is 5.5v, my EER is only 1 cell at about .8-.9v, 3 mA

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #778 on: November 12, 2009, 02:02:19 PM »
@ freepow

@ Jim

My cap is 5.5v, my EER is only 1 cell at about .8-.9v, 3 mA

Right oh, well you can try it but I don't think you will achieve charging the 5.5v cap.

I think you are going to have to make up extra EERs, at the very least 5 more, even better, make 15 of them.

Then connect them in series, insulating each cell with insulation tape.

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Whats happening is this.
You have this huge cap to fill, but the bucket to fill it is just too small, but it will fill the cap, only to the electrical preassure of .9 volt MAX, (see big water tank drawing) anything over this with your current setup will be done by spikes.

So we need to up the "preasure" some what.
To do that, we can do it in a couple of ways.

1/ make more cells, (at least 6 cells) and connect them in series, if you get 15 cells in series, all the better.
2/ 6 cells, each cell about a 15 inches long. So we use volts and a bit more amps to do the job.

I have a couple of these 5.5 volt caps here, I wasnt real happy with their performance.

jim


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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #779 on: November 12, 2009, 02:24:55 PM »
@Bill,

I havent really played around with MOTs before, but I think you could be right there about grounding one side of the trannies windings, I will give this a go tomorrow sometime and see what happens lol.

@ freepow,

In your previous post, relating to connections between F Cap and EER, you are right, they are all paralled up, + to + and - to -.

In my last post to you, the small "black" single cell of .9 volts, refers to the bottom of the "tank" to the dotted line.

By adding the 5 extra (red) cells, the voltage is able to rise enough to refill the CAP.
The smaller the amps, the longer it will take to refill it.

Making the cells longer or wider, the higher the amps, the faster it fills.
 
It's past my bedtime, night night all

hooroo

jim