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electricme

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #660 on: October 28, 2009, 04:18:09 AM »
@cosmicfarmer,

I like Bill's idea with the caps. Trying to do 6v so I'll use 3, the only 3 that I have! Bwahaha! Brilliant! So, to charge them best, use fast switching diodes and use ground to cap? or should I have something else along side it, like a LED? 

I apologize for being so dumb. Last time I tried this I did an AV plug to LED and touched the AV plug to a copper pipe in the ground and the led turned on. Very dim.... had to be night time and you staring at the filament...

Also, how should I tune my earth battery? have a volt meter with me and raise or lower the poles?

That blown fuse trick sounds REALLY COOL.... Theres gotta be a standard good way for an idiot to tune a ground battery and something like that blowing up of a fuse when your in range sounds like a good example! However I am not currently using an active component with the ground.

I'm trying to find the magnetic angle of where I live, or if any lines are nearby.

Thanks!

yes, I was sitting here thinking how would stubblefield know when he had his research coils in tune working, since he was on his own, I came up with two possibilities.
First was to put a light globe in the circuit, it would light up, but if a coil worked tooooooo well, the bulb would blow, a wast.
Second was, what could he have used to save a bulb? easy, a single strand of wire, either end twisted around 2 ends.
So the fuse came out on top, cheep and easy to do, no problems to replace a blown bit of wire, cool.
 
About being dumb, no, you aint dumb, just dont know stuff you would know tomorrow, except you wish you knew it today he he.

Magnetic angle, best person I know who does know about these things is Bill (Pirate), PM him, he is on the money with it.

I went outside about an hour ago and dragged out my biggish through bolts, found their corresponding nuts and washers, and cleaned up my work bench, gosh, supprising how "good stuff" takes up bench space, anyone eles have that trouble here or is it only me.
 
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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #661 on: October 28, 2009, 08:03:15 AM »
electricme
Thanks for the tip on taking photo of drawing.  Never thought of that and it's doable for me.
Sometimes we have to look at things sideways.  What's happening may not be what is obvious.  One problem is our mind is designed to make things complicated.  Life was simple in the days of stubblefield.

Here are some important related links that are chapters from book called "lost science" by vassilatos.  A copy of this book is very expensive.  I hear it is being reprinted again?  Download and save these two chapters.

http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/history/nathan-s.htm

http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/history/grradio.htm

Sorry if these have been posted before.  I am concerned about documenting valuable research as things have a habit of disappearing.  I feel people are taking youtube for granted that it will always be there to save your experiments.  I am in China now and cannot access youtube.  I suggest backing up important videos into your own computer.  If China can turn off youtube, it can happen where you live.  My connection is too slow to try and go around the China Firewall using special programs that cost money.

I don't know if it is just my computer, but this site format has changed in the last few days.  No longer does it list posts by line item and date.  I have to hit show unread posts which is incomplete and does not show all history of posts.

I am going to give you another thing to think about.  Stubblefield's EB may also be an orgone accumulator.  This was invented by Wilhelm Reich.  It consists of box whose sides are composed of alternating layers of metal and natural insulation.  The EB consists of layers of metal coils and layers of cotton or silk? insulation.  Orgone seems to have the ability to tap into the energy of implosion (negative electricity) instead of explosion energy which produces heat and losses.  NS was before Reich.  Orgone is a word invented by Reich.  Here is pdf attachment of orgone accumulator to show layering.



It is thought by some that the Joe Cell used on cars accumulates orgone which charges the nearby aether field to accomplish this transfer of energy.  Once charged, a car with a Joe Cell can run with no fuel.  The engine runs cold and uses no fuel, probably on implosion of the water vapor ala Keely.
Orgone gives off a light blue color and may explain why the fields around stubblefields house seemed to glow and give off light.  I will also help explain the heating apparatus in his house where he died.
Modern researchers have built devices to generate orgone energy using fibreglass resin and powdered metal.  They call such a mixture organite.  As an experiment, you could insulate the coils in an EB with fibreglass resin instead of silk or cottan as in stubblefields day.

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #662 on: October 28, 2009, 02:28:26 PM »
@tishatang,

I want to thank you for the web addresses you posted, I have been to them, as with Nathan Stubblefield, he was a man beyond his time, because of this people regarded him as someone to be avoided, except for those who shared his views.

It would be interresting if "other" lost Nathan Stubblefield papers were to be discovered, even photographs.

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #663 on: October 29, 2009, 05:34:38 AM »
It has been good for me to go back and review these chapters on stubblefield.  It has been a few years.  I am looking at him with fresh eyes and I think speculate on what is happening with his EB.  Look to my later posts. 

Meanwhile here is the Snow patent for EB to increase voltage as an attachment.  This was one of many references at the end of the chapter.  To verify that it works, you can take apart an old car engine starter motor for its brushes.  Or maybe the local parts store stocks brushes.  For sure a motor rebuilder will have brushes cheap.  Get the biggest ones you can find.  Usually, they are not expensive.  They are carbon and already have braided copper wire leads attached to them.  Two brushes along with two small metal rods will see if the voltage doubles?  These small brushes are just to verify the patent.  To get the current to light leds will probably take bigger carbon and metal rods.

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #664 on: October 29, 2009, 06:36:21 AM »
electricme
Your tip on images worked great.  Now if I could only draw.  I'm getting old and shakey.

I will try and explain things as we go because I am going to speculate on the evolution of the Stubblefield EB.  You will have to understand these basic concepts so that when we get to the final stage, you will know what's going on.  Here we have the two basic resonant circuits.  One parallel and one series connected.  In addition they are tunable because of the variable air capacitor.  You can buy on ebay nice ones occasionally that have a gear reduction knob for tuning.  This gives finer control.

Things to keep in mind:  Voltage and current are 180 degrees out of phase in resonant circuits.
When the voltage hits maximum, the current goes to zero in the parallel mode.  When the amps goes max the voltage is min in the series mode.  This is why there is no power amplification.  As voltage goes up the amps go lower.

In parallel mode, you will have to place the light bulb between the parallel circuit and the antennae.  You do not want to place your load inside the circuit because the resistance will affect the Q.  Remember the higher the Q, the higher the voltage.  When at resonance, the bulb will not light because there is no current flow.  We will have to detune the circuit to get some current to light the bulb.  This is assuming the power is available without overloading the resonant circuit.  A parallel resonant circuit is also referred to as a tank circuit.

In series mode, the bulb is also placed next to the antennae in series with everything else.  At resonance, the bulb will not light, because even though we have plenty of current flowing, we have no voltage.  Again, we have to detune slightly to get enough voltage to light the bulb.  This assumes the circuit is not overloaded by the bulb to kill resonance.

In series mode, we have to place a safety resistor and fuse to limit current from surges and runaway conditions.  The resistor should not be necessary in the parallel circuit because at resonance, the resistance of the circuit in infinite and no current can flow.  A resistor and fuse could be placed here
in a parallel circuit as a safety in case a component failed.  Use a carbon resistor either fixed or variable.  A variable resistor here might be useful for tuning in either mode.



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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #665 on: October 29, 2009, 08:00:32 AM »
Hello to all...
I reading and practice all about earth battery/energy and on end i can see one think its only electrochemical cell.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alessandro_Volta
read about first battery :-)

If you use only Cu and Zn and put in the ground you will have some current but its realy low current. You can improve that if use electrolyte and use big catode/anode, Michael Emme create patent 495,582 about that.

I think we all need to practice more about wireless transmition energy with magnifier (Nikola Tesla) there is defintly some free energy for pick up :-).
Becouse if you create transmition tower for transmite energy you will have in same time reciver energy, and than you can use skil how to use that energy for use.

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #666 on: October 29, 2009, 08:07:45 AM »
As we read about stubblefield from the above linked chapter, we learn he is scientific and keeps on the latest stuff.  Earth batteries are in vogue and he no doubt made friends with the telegraph installers and how they searched for ground plates.  He probably learned to dowse from them although dowsing was more popular in his day than now.  Anyway, he knew how to find the locations for ground rods.  At some point I speculate he decided to look at the earth as a capacitor.  The ground rods would become plates of the earth capacitor.  As currents moved through the earth, they would strike one plate and shortly after strike the other plate.  This phase difference would set alternating voltages on the plates based on freq and the wave length of the currents.

Using the long helix inductors he would form resonant circuits with the ground plates in his quest for a better way to tap the energy.

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #667 on: October 29, 2009, 09:10:15 AM »
@tishatang,

electricme
Your tip on images worked great.  Now if I could only draw.  I'm getting old and shakey.

You are more than welcome, it's easy isn't it  ;) the circuit looks great with my poor old eyes, you are a good teacher, because the way you spell it out makes it easy to understand, well so far anyway lol.

I have a tuning capacitor somewhere, here it is, just found it, I stripped a old radio down to the bare bones.
Will this do or is it too small, there is an adjustable mica capacitor as well, mabe we could use it for fine tuning.

jim

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #668 on: October 29, 2009, 09:53:11 AM »
@Jim
Your image of var cap did not come thru for me.  But, it's OK.  Any one will do for experiments.  Actually , they don't vary that much from radio to radio.  It mostly depends on the radio you took it from.  If it is a standard broadcast AM radio, it will be fine.  It will have higher capacity than FM or short wave radio because it tunes to a lower freq.  As you go lower in freq, the physical size of the components increases.  If you get no response on your meter, try a bigger or smaller inductor.  I don't think var air caps were invented yet in stubblefields time.  So, his only option to change freq was to vary the inductance by peeling off extra layers of the long helix coils and varying the distance between the ground plates.  Or, of course building bigger plates to bury.

@Zoky
If you download and read the chapter on Stubblefield I linked to, you will see he was doing great things before Tesla built his magnifying transmitter.  If you are interested in Tesla, you can do a search on Tesla and find many threads on this forum to join in their discussion.


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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #669 on: October 29, 2009, 10:39:45 AM »
Evolution of Stubblefield EB cont'd based on speculations and observations

After experimenting for while, NS learned the best combination of inductors in combination with earth capacitors to get the best freqs.  In other words, the galvanometer would swing the furthest and his compass would detect relative strength of the current as he measured parallel and series resonant circuits.  These are also called resonant LC circuits.  L symbol for inductance and C symbol for capacitance.  Also to note that in the early days a capacitor was called a condenser.  If you are reading early patents or books a condenser is a capacitor and an intensifier is a transformer.

He came to realize that there was no power gain from a single resonant circuit by itself.  If it were a parallel LC circuit, he got volts but no amps.  If it was a series res LC circuit, he got amps but no volts.  Plus the fact to get any power at all, he had to deturne the circuits, somewhat further reducing the highest readings with no load.  There had to be a way to combine them to get volts and amps together.  He started winding the inductor coils together in a single bifilar coil.  Further experiments revealed that by using one coil of iron, he got better results.  Probably because of magnetic linking or maybe the higher resistance of iron caused a phase delay bringing it inline with the phase delay of the earth currents as they traveled from plate to plate in the ground?

We end up something like this:  As I look at the drawing I think the iron wire should go to the parallel circuit because the higher volts go through the higher resistance and there is little current to carry.  The series circuit needs the bigger copper wire to carry the current.


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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #670 on: October 29, 2009, 10:52:59 AM »
Stubblefield cont'd

The bifilar coil helped.  But no way did it do what he wanted.  He finally realized if he wound a collector coil around the bifilar coil, it would sum all the high voltages and the high amps together.  So, we end up with the collector coil as supplying the power to the load.  This explains the three coils in his EB patent and where they are connected.  Remember, iron wire to parallel circuit.

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #671 on: October 29, 2009, 11:16:39 AM »
Stubblefield cont'd

All these experiments have the  coils on the surface.  The only things in the ground were his ground rods (plates).  NS had one more refinement to try before he built this config as an earth battery.  He got the idea to prime the config with a vibrating relay.  Actually, he may have thought of this after he built the EB and buried it in the ground?  He found that by priming  the pump, so to speak, it increased the output.  Probably because the collector coil was also a resonant circuit and the relay was vibrating at the resonant freq of the output coil?  The arm of the relay (make or break) could be a rod with a small weight that could slide a up and down.  This would give him the ability to fine tune the pulses of the relay to the res freq of the collector coil.  I think he would have worked this all out prior to burying it into the ground.  Stay tuned for the rest of the story.

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« Reply #672 on: October 29, 2009, 02:55:44 PM »
@tishatang

Dude they all use ground (earth) becouse ground have super conductivity and you can use that on all planet earth. Basicly you always have one polarity (-) ready for use and second like i first say. One more think you can use earth for transmition too that Stubblefield prove and Tesla talking about that more times.
I read everything about Tesla here but find very low text and links about that ..people scared to    
experiment with tehnology what tesla working but im pretty sure it is way to clear free energy :-).
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« Reply #673 on: October 29, 2009, 07:33:31 PM »
Tishatang,

Very interesting posts regarding resonant circuits. I made a few scratchings on you latest picture. Can you comment? I am still coming up to speed with this subject. Thank you.

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #674 on: October 30, 2009, 06:35:36 AM »
@MW383
I am glad you are interested in this.  Your added cap does not contribute anything.  Notice that you are bridging two plates that are both negative.  Both plates will have the same potential.  Caps are added to isolate separate circuits with different DC potential.  AC will pass thru a cap depending on its size and freq you are trying to pass thru.

Since the two bottom plates are at the same potential, you could tie them together and use only three ground plates.  Circuit shown below.  The var air caps are shown to show how to connect to your plates to experiment with series and parallel resonance with your ground plates.  They would not be there in Stubblefield's time.  Also note that the cap in the series plate side will block any DC component of the earth energy.  The cap shown in the series output circuit is there to obtain resonance of the collector coil.  NS did use large caps.  Here is quote of chapter:

"A second series of experiments reveal the development of stacked capacitors. Photographs reveal two large capacitor stacks, presumably for inductive transmission purposes. Some researchers induced ground oscillations of electrical current, while absorbing each "fly back" into large capacitors. This system evidenced the "hydraulic" model of electricity, popular during the latter Victorian Epoch."