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IotaYodi

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #585 on: September 27, 2009, 03:36:01 PM »
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this is 'normal' when you connect a load to an earth battery
Didnt know it was normal for an eb. Does the Voltage at the source,eb itself,stay nominal or does that drop too?

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #586 on: September 28, 2009, 01:31:25 AM »
Didnt know it was normal for an eb. Does the Voltage at the source,eb itself,stay nominal or does that drop too?

that's what i was talking about - at the source.
meaning across the output terminals of the EB/ array of EB's while the load is connected.


IotaYodi

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #587 on: September 28, 2009, 03:25:09 AM »
Thanks Smokey! Thats a substantial voltage drop on such a small load.

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #588 on: September 28, 2009, 05:58:59 AM »
I have to say that this is not normal from any of my EB experiment experience.  Milli amps drop under load but volts either stay the same, or increase.  That is what is so cool about it, it appears to rise to the occasion.  The more you ask it to do , the more it does....to a point of course.

I am not the only one to see this, check the EB topics and you will see others have as well.

Just my 2 cents.

Bill

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #589 on: September 28, 2009, 06:03:17 AM »
@ Jeanna,

Protomom and Pirate88179 are both right on the money.

@all,
I just got back from my weekend away, you wouldn't read about it, two huge dust storms in a single week in my neck of the woods (Queensland way), dust was every where, thick n thin.
It was interresting while it lasted, but I'm glad it's over, seems the dusk went over the "ditch" to New Zealand, the snow turned pink in the high places ha ha.

On Saturday afternoon, I could actually look at the sun, then after half an hour the sun turned light blue with a bluish disk, weird stuff.

jim 

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #590 on: October 14, 2009, 12:44:14 PM »
Earth cells still working as I expected.
LED is still glowing since I upgraded my cells in a parallel series configuration about 3 weeks ago.

Had some storms activity yesterday, I had a scope on the EB C and was watching it, as lightning FLASHED, well it looked to me like the waveform seemed to shrink as the lightning appeared, then the waveform rebounded slowly back up to its previous level, very interresting this, pity I didnt do a TWV of it, just didnt think about that.

Last weekend I bought 6 meters of 3/4 inch annealed copper tubeing from Bunnings, its a single coil pack. I want to make up another EBC with this size and use a magnesium coated rod I bought.

Hope to get into making this new cell shortly, might make a start on it tomorrow.

BTW, the black box is a Instrumentation Interface for a PC sound card, bought this from Jaycar, its a twin channel input, twin output to display a scope pattern in the computer, I havent tried it yet, found out I dont have a joystick card in the PC, siiii well I can wire it up to a USB plug for the 5volts that is needed to drive it.

Now got to find and download some scope software to run the thing
So much to doooo.

Discovered I posted the wrong photo of the LED 1590, 1592 to 1593 are the corect ones, when sw is to the left or right, either LED is lit up
Sw in center position both are out, voltage has risen to 7.92v and as I post this off it has reached 9.67v OC no water in cells since last 3 days.

 
jim
 
« Last Edit: October 14, 2009, 01:06:55 PM by electricme »

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #591 on: October 14, 2009, 06:00:19 PM »
Jim:

Glad to see you.  Man, that is a lot of copper there, that with the mag. should really give a nice output I think.

Great to hear your cells are still running strong.  This is great news.

That is interesting about the lightning reaction.  That is not what I would have expected but, I am glad to know what really happens.

Take care mate,

Bill

electricme

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #592 on: October 20, 2009, 10:44:47 AM »
@all,

I was thinking, what else can I use with the output of my EBC.

I decided to fool around with making a capacitor, nothing flash mind you, just a very simple arrangement, which I made out of ordinary easy to come by household items.

I grabbed 2 empty clear plastic A4 sleeves, grabbed my alfoil, the stuff we all have to wrap food up and stick in the fridge or stove.
I insurted one clear plastic envelope inside the other one, both openings facing outwards.

I tore off 2 sizeable alfoil sheets, stuck one alfoil sheet into one side of the clear plastic envelope, the other one I insurted inside the other envelope.

Next I connected my EBC leads to either sheet, it dosent matter which round it goes, but just keep an eye out for polarity.

I disconnected the EBC leads, immediately hooking up my white LED.
It flashed on for an instant and went out.
It was not bright, but very very dim.
If you are not fast, the charge flotes away.

BUT IT WORKED lol.


 

electricme

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #593 on: October 20, 2009, 11:17:31 AM »
Its Cartoon time folks

What is electricme up to?

 ;D

jeanna

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #594 on: October 20, 2009, 11:16:10 PM »
Hi Jim,
I was reading somewhere but I dunno where...
It might only flash one or 2 times per day.

[edit : found it
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=972.msg204504#msg204504
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I disconnected the EBC leads, immediately hooking up my white LED.
It flashed on for an instant and went out.
It was not bright, but very very dim.
If you are not fast, the charge flotes away.

BUT IT WORKED lol.


 
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Did you leave it in place out there?
I am thinking maybe there was a charge accumulation from all the activity involved in making the cap (I totally love that you made it all!).
Maybe you can set up a buzzer instead of a led. peizo buzzers take next to nothing to cause a sound and you do not need to have your eyes glued to the spot to see its period.

cool... I need to download stuff to watch your vid or else turn on my mac, but I am using this ubuntu computer so I don't need to use the mac here at ou...

thank you for this cool update.

jeanna

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #595 on: October 21, 2009, 07:09:08 AM »
Huzzah! rods in a ground I can monitor.  Japan wasn't going to happen, unless I bought a farm for 200 a year, which would be swank and I might do that april... but now I am home in DC ish area.

I got a Carbon and Magnesium.  I forgot which way to position them so I should ask here... 

But right now the carbon is northernerly at exactly Latitude = 38.8922, Longitude = -77.1554
and the magnesium is southernerly at Latitude = 38.8920, Longitude = -77.1554, so 1 tenthousandths of a degreee off. 
Should I switch their position?
I am letting them entrain over a 1 ohm resistor.
I like circuits that plug into the ground.

I will construct tomorow a camera flash jeul theif. Fuji? I have his cd right here. Then the output will go to Dr Stiffler SEC... and from there a gigantic panel of LED's and I will wake up the neighbors at night...  Oh boy.

I would like a less then 20 volt backspike though, I think the 500 or so volts that fuji gives would fry the Doc's tiny circuit.  I wonder to make a solid state and a frequency counter attached together to make a power supply?  Ah im just dreaming !!   

So I got some gigantic supercaps, 3 of em. only a few volts though. Also some of those ultra low volt transistors.  And a lot else.

If anyone has any suggestions in arranging those to obtain the most light, please tell me, while I offer up scope shots of the resistor in my backyard.

Ok so heres the questions all arranged in order.
hello,
1. which one should go north and south? carbon / magnesium
2. any idea on how to charge a cap most efficient from the ground?
3. how to bump 3 volts 650f to ~18 - 20v
4. Anyone know of any Ley Lines around?

thats it, 

Hi to Jeanna  thx for sticking in there

peace.




 

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #596 on: October 21, 2009, 09:13:39 AM »
 :)Hello can someone help me ??

My 90 foot long, 6-7 foot high long wire antenna + my ground pipe connection gives me as follows...
5 volts (AC) and only .06 ma  NIGHTIME measurement
6 volts (AC) and only .13 ma  DAYTIME  measurement

When i use this to power simple joule thief it measures as follows...
3.1 volts (AC) and 2.6 volts (DC) and 3.14 ma NIGHTIME measurement
3.6 volts (AC) and 2.9 volts (DC) and 3.45 ma DAYTIME  measurement !

Why a higher voltage and current during daytime ? Anybody know why ?

Any way to raise current higher so i can light LED ?

This is free power that I am getting from this system !  Anyone tried this ?
 

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #597 on: October 21, 2009, 05:04:22 PM »
@all,

I was thinking, what else can I use with the output of my EBC.

I decided to fool around with making a capacitor, nothing flash mind you, just a very simple arrangement, which I made out of ordinary easy to come by household items.

I grabbed 2 empty clear plastic A4 sleeves, grabbed my alfoil, the stuff we all have to wrap food up and stick in the fridge or stove.
I insurted one clear plastic envelope inside the other one, both openings facing outwards.

I tore off 2 sizeable alfoil sheets, stuck one alfoil sheet into one side of the clear plastic envelope, the other one I insurted inside the other envelope.

Next I connected my EBC leads to either sheet, it dosent matter which round it goes, but just keep an eye out for polarity.

I disconnected the EBC leads, immediately hooking up my white LED.
It flashed on for an instant and went out.
It was not bright, but very very dim.
If you are not fast, the charge flotes away.

BUT IT WORKED lol.


 

Jim:

Great to hear from you.  Nice work on the capacitor.  The cartoon is great as well.  I have been tied up with work lately but hope to back on here soon.

Take care,

Bill

jeanna

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #598 on: October 21, 2009, 07:41:38 PM »
Hi cosmicfarmer,

I'm glad you are able to play some more... til it freezes, I guess.

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Ok so heres the questions all arranged in order.
hello,
1. which one should go north and south? carbon / magnesium

Carbon North as you have made it.
I'm sorry, this is the only one I can answer.

jeanna

jeanna

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #599 on: October 21, 2009, 07:55:46 PM »
:)Hello can someone help me ??

My 90 foot long, 6-7 foot high long wire antenna + my ground pipe connection gives me as follows...
5 volts (AC) and only .06 ma  NIGHTIME measurement
6 volts (AC) and only .13 ma  DAYTIME  measurement

When i use this to power simple joule thief it measures as follows...
3.1 volts (AC) and 2.6 volts (DC) and 3.14 ma NIGHTIME measurement
3.6 volts (AC) and 2.9 volts (DC) and 3.45 ma DAYTIME  measurement !

Why a higher voltage and current during daytime ? Anybody know why ?

Any way to raise current higher so i can light LED ?

This is free power that I am getting from this system !  Anyone tried this ?
Hi freepow,
First, I want to say thanks for bringing your eb questions over here.

I cannot help with the amps because I have never been able to light a led directly from my eb.
The highest amps I ever got were 162 and I am never sure with this meter... it might be microamps and 0.9 volts, but not ever at the same time.
If I do something to raise the amps the voltage drops.
Assuming you have 6 volts from your antenna, you should have room to spare for lowering it to make amps.
The only way I was ever able to do it was by adding additional lines that come together at the single probe.

There is a guy who visited these parts for a very short time calling himself t3t4.
He also wanted to harvest the rays with an antenna.
To this end he hooked up a battery in the middle place between the antenna and the ground probe.
There were caps that caught the rays and then dumped them into the battery.
I had a AAA 2 pack and was able to get the 2 batteries up to 1.17v and when I brought them inside each one was indeed able to run a joule thief, so it was free from the kind of connection you are talking about.
You seem to have a lot more rays where you live, so your batteries could get higher voltages.
I'd say try it this way... I will see if I can find a link to the page he was using.
(But, keep posting your results here please. so the threads do not continue to be so scrambled.)

Great progress, bye the way.

jeanna