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electricme

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #540 on: September 18, 2009, 08:39:09 AM »
@ Pirate88179er

Thanks Bill, I will take care  :D the tubes are in the chariot at the moment, I'm about ready to choof off to Town, thought I would recheck the emails.

Im picking up my USB remote control CCD camera tomorrow morning, and will set it up on the Laptop to experiment with, this is going to be a lot of fun fun fun, my chemtrail hunter ha ha.

The copper tubes will come in for a face lift, some new insulation wrapped around the outsides should do wonders. Wonder how many feet of insulation I will need, meters and meters.

B back on monday
Hooroo, ave a great weekend.

jim
   

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #541 on: September 18, 2009, 04:10:29 PM »
@ electricme


are you entirely covering the copper pipes?
 like no contact with the ground at all?

what about the nails? any insulation on them?


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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #542 on: September 21, 2009, 06:34:57 AM »
@sm0ky2
I have been away for the weekend, hope my answer below is in time.

@ electricme

are you entirely covering the copper pipes?
 like no contact with the ground at all?

what about the nails? any insulation on them?

OK, here is what I do.
Solder to the top and side of the copper tube a wire about 12 inches long, then on the other end of this wire, solder a zinc nail, I grab a file and file off the zinc first before soldering the wire on it.
If you can, use a very hot soldering iron, 80-100 watter. 


The PIPES first.
Insulation.
The whole outside of the copper pipe is wrapped in a single layer of insulation tape by overlapping the electrical tape.

Just grab a roll of insulation tape and begin to wrap the pipe from top to bottom, we need to completely insulate the copper pipe on the "outside" only.

Next.
If you leave the bottom of the pipe exposed to the earth sourrounding it, then it will short out, or cancel any charge accumulated.
This is why when you put a series of copper or aluminium pipes in the earth, it only shows up as a single low volt out.
To stop this "leakage", you have to also insulate the bottom of the tube.

So if you start wrapping the insulating tape at the top of the copper pipe, then take the turns in a downward direction, don't stop when you get to the bottom, always leave a generous couple of turns of the tape to tuck inside and up into the copper pipe.
Just to make sure there will be "no electrical leakage, tear off several strips of insulation tape and put this across the bottom opening of the copper pipe.
It seems to "fix" this electrical leakage.

When you have come this far, the copper pipe and zinc nail now becomes an EARTH BATTERY CELL.

The EBC is now planted UPRIGHT in the earth
Do NOT allow any earth to make contact with the outside of the copper cell.

NEXT fill the INSIDE of the copper pipe with DIRT, that's right, DIRT.
NEXT, carefully insert the zinc nail directly inside the copper pipe you just filled with dirt.

OK the Nails
DONT insulate the nails, you want as much area available to interact with the inside of the copper tube.

It also stands to reason, the more metal you have, the higher the grunt will be.
A 6" tube with a 4 inch zinc nail puts out peanuts, by making each cell larger will improve the output.
 
I think you will find this is the answer to making a series earth battery.

I haven't the means to get big copper pipes or big zinc bars right at this moment so this is going to be a good experiment for anyone who would like to take that on in this forum.

Now WATERing this thingie lol.
This is trial and error, to little water, and the voltage drops, too much water and the voltage drops, I use in the vicinity of 20CC to 50CC of water, a couple of teaspoons.

I will take a few photos showing the stages as I make a cell shortly and post here. In the meen time take a look at this link I made

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7769.270


jim

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #543 on: September 22, 2009, 04:51:43 AM »
Hello all,
To those who are following this EB cell build.

Today I have insulated all 63 EB copper pipes and discovered something I was not aware of if you decide to use electrical tape to insulate them.
But first I will describe the steps I took to insulate just 1 copper pipe.

It deserves a fair bit of space so I have made several photos showing the process.

1395 = Take blank uncovered copper pipe

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #544 on: September 22, 2009, 04:54:19 AM »
Take the insulation tape and begin from the top of the tube, a fraction below where the wire is soldered, and place 2 turns of tape around the pipe.

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #545 on: September 22, 2009, 04:57:12 AM »
Now grip the pipe where the layer of tape is.

Begin to wind the tape in a slight downwards direction, making sure the next turn overlaps the previous turn.


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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #546 on: September 22, 2009, 04:58:29 AM »
The tape is now almost at the end of the pipe.

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #547 on: September 22, 2009, 05:00:49 AM »
Continue the turns to the bottom of the pipe, then make sure you have at least 1 or 2 turns of tape to overhang the end of the pipe.

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #548 on: September 22, 2009, 05:02:48 AM »
Next cut the tape from the roll.
Now, tuck the overhanging tape, back upwards up and inside the tube.

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #549 on: September 22, 2009, 05:04:38 AM »
It should now look something like this, the tape can be seen tucked up inside the pipe.
 
It's pritty scruffy, but it will do it's job, insulating the energy or preventing interaction of energy between cells which would nullify the whole setup if this was not done.

This is an essential step so don't skip it.
 

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #550 on: September 22, 2009, 05:11:11 AM »
Next, cut about 2 inches of tape off the roll and stick it across the bottom of the tube end, this is extra "insurance" just in case the above tuckin was dodgy. Now fold both the ends up the side of the tube

Once you have done this, cut another 2 inch of tape and stick it across the end of the tube, but at 90 degrees to the 1st 2 inch tape, make sure it sticks down well.


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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #551 on: September 22, 2009, 05:13:58 AM »
Ite end of the tube/cell should now look like this, completly sealed

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #552 on: September 22, 2009, 05:18:44 AM »
OK, I have now done the same with all 63 EB cells, covered them all in insulation tape, as you can see, I ran out of blue tape, well the black does the same job, just doesn't look as nice.

I doooo recommend you use blue insulation tape, it looks far nicer on the top end of a shiny copper pipe end.

All the pipes are now ready to be put into the earth.


The green at the ends of 2 EB cells is not corrosion, it is green insulation tape.

BTW, I have even used plastic shopping bags to do this job, and I had no problems with them, although I do expect those particular cells to deteriorate with the passage of time as shopping bags are designed to disintegrate over time.

This is the end of the tutorial on how to insulate/prepare the copper pipe.

You may wish to use a different method to insulate you copper pipes, try a Plastic Paint, try capping the bottoms with chair leg rubbers etc etc.

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #553 on: September 22, 2009, 05:19:10 AM »
Jim:

Thanks for this info.  It is obviously important.  I can't believe the patience you must have to do all of this.  Me?  I would have done like maybe 3 or 4 and then said.....that's enough.

I can't wait to see your readings on this new array.  Please post a scope shot or two of it so we can compare it to your others.

Best of luck to you mate,

Bill

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #554 on: September 22, 2009, 05:30:46 AM »
Hello Bill,
Thanks for those kind words.
As soon as I get them in the ground I will post some more photos of them and discribe the method I used to do it with.

Yep, patience is a virtue lol, my hands and fingers were a bit sore after winding tape over all that lot, but it is worth it.

If each pipe, Earth Battery Cell gives me just 0.5 volts, then in theory I should be getting 30 odd volts out of this setup. ;D

I have seen cells put out higher voltage, especially when they are damp, I seen a couple with 1.0 volt output, so the output of 30 volts is quite conservative.

Thanks Bill.
jim