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Author Topic: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments  (Read 286823 times)

electricme

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #465 on: August 13, 2009, 10:32:45 AM »
@Jeanna,

Check this out.
Hey, where is everybody? Did everybody lose their scope?
jeanna

I still here, that last pic of your scope readings, shows a lot of spikes, now a little back I just noticed your last photo, it shows a waveform which looks like the top of the wave seems to be flat.
I see this effect if I have a LED across the EB output.

I havent switched on my scope for at least a week, emotions still a bit raw folks.

Jeanna, GRIDMAPS, is a very interresting topic indeed, there is a New Zealander, his name is Bruce Cathie, he used to be a airline pilot, he discovered the world wide grid, he made a special program called gridworks which can work out the grids from anywhere in the world. (costs a bit though).

Major buildings, monuments, ancient wonders can be found at the grid cross sections. There are small triangles, larger ones and huge ones.

Some funney energy things happens where the gridlines cross.

jim
 
« Last Edit: August 13, 2009, 01:17:38 PM by electricme »

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #466 on: August 13, 2009, 06:39:08 PM »
@ Jeanna:

Actually, where I live there is only one grid line going past here.  Where you see those 4 grid lines crossing is actually right about where Stubblefield's farm was located!!  (I am east north east of those intersections)

I noticed about Ed's Coral Castle (As previously mentioned) location too as my Mom lives near there.  This can't be a coincidence can it?


@ Jim:

Good to see you here mate.  I hope things are as well as they can be for you.

Bill

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #467 on: August 14, 2009, 03:13:29 AM »
HI folks ,

Finally got a chance to do me a in the ground EB today ...
I used a 18" copper tube 3/4" and a 3/4" 18" aluminum tube ,lined up N/S
about 10" apart ..
My initial readings in bone dry ground are .61 volts .24 ma  not really much but hoping it will be higher tomorrow ...

I setup another one using the copper ground rod off my power pole and put a 3' alum pipe in the ground 10' away ..Initial readings on it are .76 volts .09 ma...Hope it will get higher to

I did another isolated in a planter pot with a 4"x 2" SS pipe with a 8" alum pipe in the center with plain dirt and drenched it with water ..
My initial readings are .42 volts .56 ma .....

And the other SS/alum one I mentioned before that is over a week old now is still kicking at .66 volts 1 ma  haven't wet it or anything still doing fairly good...

I plan on hooking a cap to the EB one tomorrow and let it charge all day just to see how much I can store up in a 8 hr period or so ...

Thanks Jdcmusicman


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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #468 on: August 14, 2009, 03:18:47 AM »
I posted my scope shots from today on the stubblefield thread, but I do want to report this:

I just got my new tiny meter for reading dc amps. So, I will add this here.
Plain EB - 35.7uADC (1/3 milliamp)
EB with 2 NS generators = 96.4uAdc  (almost one milliamp)
I think you are right about this, Bill. I am getting lower dc volts and more dcmA by adding the extra things on the ends. The amps seen on this meter are dc amps.

No wonder I cannot get even a joule thief to start up. I need one of those maximum caps from the gadget, I guess.

jeanna

edit:
JDMusicman,
Cool.
we posted simultaneously.

How excellent. .61vdc in bone dry for the first day sounds like a winner to me!

sm0ky2

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #469 on: August 14, 2009, 08:09:01 AM »
finally got my scope in.

and what i found is quite intersting indeed.

im picking up two strong signals, consistent and precisely 180-degrees out of phase, sinusoidal.

and...

a multitude of weaker signals, at first it looked like only 2, but as i focused in on them, there are several. seemingly inconsistent, and causing a lot of constructive and destructive intereference. This is the cause of the "peaks" you notice in the signal when you are not finely tuned into them all. i am unsure of the source of these signals, they may be comming from many places.

im going to try and eliminate the air-born interference and see if i can clean this up enough to get a few shots.

this scope doesnt seem to have a way to freeze the shot, so i hope my camera can pick up on it.


electricme

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #470 on: August 14, 2009, 08:22:45 AM »
@ALL

Good news  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

ZAC is back with his Mum n Dad.
Granddad/G-pah feels much betta. :D

Im off for the weekend to see my littley

hooroo all

Gpah jim

jeanna

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #471 on: August 14, 2009, 11:32:25 PM »
Well Bill,
I think you called it!

I was feeling a certain 'heady' feeling I have been getting a lot lately and I thought to look at the eqpage.
Wow 10 minutes before there was a 1.9 in the mountains NE of me.
It was in the cascades in 'cedar butte' if you want to look it up.

OK, so I grabbed my stuff and told the rain to hold off for a while , which it did.
I only took a couple of regular shots then found the resolution that is showing the spikes.
They are regular. Even so, a little hard to catch at the spot.

Wanna see them? Of course you do.
I will crop them so they are good to see and be back.

jeanna
Oh after I did this I took some of that speaker wire and hooked it to the dome and the amps rose to 200uA.
I will see if I can show you anything about that.

I made a movie.
Check it out!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJoPspdYyYU
« Last Edit: August 15, 2009, 06:50:39 AM by jeanna »

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #472 on: August 15, 2009, 05:53:53 AM »
i cant get any coherent scope shots from my EB in this area.
im getting all kinds of interefernce
probably from the underground electrical and cable wires running all around here.

we have no overhead wiring in this neighborhood...

very slow division (50 uS+) i can get it to clean up a little bit
i put electrical tape over all the exposed wires, and ran the EB through an analog coax, that helped a bit, but im still picking up all kinds of garbage. 

i'll swap out my electrodes over the weekend, and see how that works out,..

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #473 on: August 15, 2009, 10:48:05 PM »
Hi everybody,
While Professor Lewin buffers (mm great lectures!) I want to show you the official seismogram of yesterday and today at about the same times.
I guess this is right on, Jim. It is measured in microvolts per division too!!

I found it here for my area, and I think there might be links to other places in the world too.
http://www.pnsn.org/WEBICORDER/SMO_N/ATES_SHZ_UW.2009081412.html

here is a pic of yesterday and today. Pretty big difference. And there was another one today in the night magnitude 3 this time but under the water off Portland.

jeanna

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #474 on: August 17, 2009, 04:44:37 AM »
@Smokey

I'm not sure if this is correct, but congrats on you getting your new scope, well done.  :D
The best thing to do, is just hook the probes up to the EB cells and then watch the waveform for a while, in a few days you will be accustomised to what seem to be garbage, but the "wriggling" is the stuff, well, you will know what I mean when the penny falls.

I've been bogged down making a shed, and its going to have lots of shelves too (jeannas good advice).

I found an electric winch at the dump today, looks like some bits like switches and lead wires are missing, but I can soon fix it up. ;)

@Jeanna,
Wow, those 2 sesmic charts are whacko stuff, (no, not bad, its good stuff), I take it as read, the top chart is the one with the most activety, bottom is after things have settled down a bit.

I noticed you are getting u ma out of your EB setup. :)

I have to setup one of my CCD cameras under a glass pendulam clock cover, secure this on a bit of flat board, then mount it on a wooden pole or top of the house roof, point it west towards a storm.
Then capture the lightning flash and any scope image together, see if any readings are parallel or if one arrives before the other, etc.
Storm season is about a month away, winter is over, days are much warmer now.
 
I automatically have USGF earth quake activerty emailed to me, but only quakes from 5.5 and over,  otherwise it fills my email box to overflowing. This weekend alone there was about 25 quakes arrived from them.

jim
 


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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #475 on: August 17, 2009, 05:08:08 AM »
I ordered gadgetmall's earth battery rods on express delivery so when they get here I'll jam them in the ground. 

It seems puerto rico and indonesia are about to fall off the face of the earth! so many earthquakes... 
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsww/Quakes/quakes_big.php 

Is it just me or are these quakes happening more often? Personally I would think a large earthquake would diminish EB waveform as the entrained pathways are disrupted.

Also, what is a good thing to leave on an EB to entrain it? a resistor? capacitor? dead short?  Thanks.



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Also.  Not to be a complete conspirasy nut, but I found this article relating to soil conductivity and aerosol density... its from carnicom, so take it as you wish.
http://www.carnicom.com/soil1.htm
« Last Edit: August 17, 2009, 11:49:26 AM by Cosmicfarmer »

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #476 on: August 19, 2009, 08:27:43 PM »
Hey folks,

I have added to my in ground EB ...
I added another setup 2 ft away from the copper/alum one ..

This one I took a 8" aluminum rod and done kinda like a stubblefield style deal I put cotton and a paper roll around the alum then wrap 10' of Stainless steel 1/6" thick cable around it ..
I had to wet it initially then I buried it ...
With that one and the first one wired in parallel I am getting .51 vdc at 2.01ma ..
This is the first day on it , I am hoping it will hold at 2 ma ..
Gonna keep check on it everyday , may even add some more ..

I also have plans to get a scope when I can afford one ..
I really want to see more of what is going on with this stuff .

I have noticed that voltage usually drops when it rains  and I still get better readings in the day than I do at night ..
And some days are better than others no matter how dry or wet the dirt is..

Can anyone tell me how far apart these things have to be to run them in a series without isolating them?

Thanks Jdcmusicman

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #477 on: August 19, 2009, 10:43:20 PM »
JD:

To my knowledge, unless the electrodes are insulated like Jim has been doing, and you as well, electrodes miles apart can still not be put into series to up the volts.  I, of course, have not tried the miles apart approach but I have read this in several places of experiments going way back to the telegraph days.

Bill

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #478 on: August 20, 2009, 12:01:11 AM »
Thanks Bill,

I was curious about , I hadn't attempted it yet ..
One thing that i did notice is with the 2 cells that I have , is when I intially put the second one in the ground I put about 1ft from the other and It would make the ma readings go way way down to almost zero..So I moved it over another ft and it works fine that way ..
I assume even having them in parallel if they are to close they kinda cancel things out , it had no effect on the voltage just the ma's ...

I have been reading a little on the telegraph stuff, with so little I have read so far , it is just amazing at some of the things they were doing back then...

Thanks  Jdcmusicman

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #479 on: August 20, 2009, 11:21:17 PM »
Hi everybody,
I managed some decent pics today.
The thing I found interesting today is the voltage is down.
If other people would ante up, we could all know if the earth is experiencing a general drop today or if it is just my backyard. I usually must change the resolution of the EER with stubblefield at either end, but today the 5mv resolution was fine for both
Fires what the DMM says then  the scope at 2 different resolutions of the wave.

The captions tell the tale.
When it says 'both' it means the EER with 2 stubblefield coils on the ends.
jeanna