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jdcmusicman

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #420 on: August 07, 2009, 08:36:00 AM »
Hey folks I been reading all these post for almost a month now , and be doing some test myself..
I haven't done any of the EER out in the ground yet but have been doing isolated cells inside the house , some with plain dirt some with a vinegar mix and some with a mix of magnesium citrate(laxitive)lol....
I been using several combinations of different types of metals ..

#1 ..Copper/Galvanized flashing
In a ice tray wires in series with about 2 tablespoons of vinegar will light 2 bright white leds(12000 mcd) for 1 week till dead , after this all the zinc is consumed and voltage drops way down ...
Open volts are  approx 12.04 ,shorted ma reading around 8ma , it stays pretty constant for 4 days then starts dropping off...

#2 ..Copper/Galvanized flashing in a 6" x 1 1/4" pvc pipe with flashing all the way around the tube with a 7"x 1/2" copper tube in the middle with the laxative ,6 of these wired 3 in series and the 2 banks of 3 in parallel ..I build this 10 days ago,and have not been running any lights off it.
At start I had 3.56v open and 102 ma shorted..
10 days later I have 2.52v open with 42ma shorted..
I have the dirt packed very tight, I also charged a big cap with this for approx 8 hrs and had almost 1 amp at around 3v open ..

#3 A small tube cell similar to the ice tray with about same results..

#4 A sandwich style that is only 5/8" thick by 1 1/2" x 1 1/2" , with copper/zinc and cardboard no dirt ..Light a bright white led 12000mcd for 6 hrs solid till the cardboard was almost dry, have re-wet it and get the same intensity as the start ..(still testing on this one)
I soaked the cardboard in water with 1 tbs of the laxative ..
open volts 3.74v 6 ma shorted to start after approx 8 hrs running a light i still get 3.74v open and 2 ma shorted...

#5 Stainless steel/ aluminum no electrolyte  just dirt ...
SS pipe 7 "x 2" with a 3/4" aluminum pipe in the center ..
.86 v open 8 ma shorted to start 2 days later  .44 volts 2.6 ma shorted ..
still testing ....Just another note on these 2 metals adding vinegar or laxative has no affect as it does with the copper/galvanized ..I find this interesting....

One other interesting thing I have noticed is that I get better reading during the day than I do at night, whether it be outside or inside .
Any one got any input on this ? Is sunlight having some affect on it ?
I would like to know ..

Well anyway this is just some of the stuff I am playing with right now ,I am planning on trying carbon rods as soon as I can get some ..And am also looking to get away from adding electrolyte, So far the the no elite works best with the SS/aluminum..
I have also done SS/zinc it has low volts but decent ma readings..
I hope this adds , probably been done by some one else , but I figured I would share it ...

Thanks Jdcmusicman

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #421 on: August 07, 2009, 03:03:53 PM »
Jeanna

connect the potentiometer onto your (positive)  wire so it's in series with   

your earth battery then you can adjust your voltage they

were used back in the days when they used the earth batteries to power

the telegraph stations from what I have read they also used

inductors as well  I would love to get a look at some of the equipment they

used back on those earth battery's

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #422 on: August 07, 2009, 04:06:25 PM »
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One other interesting thing I have noticed is that I get better reading during the day than I do at night, whether it be outside or inside .
Any one got any input on this ? Is sunlight having some affect on it ?
Seems in ground probes do basically the same. It is an electromagnetic field from the Sun which is radiant energy . I guess you could do  experiments in the day by putting it in the refrigerator for a few hours. I would let it reach its max before putting it in. 

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #423 on: August 07, 2009, 06:37:37 PM »
Hey folks I been reading all these post for almost a month now , and be doing some test myself..


#1 ..Copper/Galvanized flashing ...electrolyte...

#2 ..Copper/Galvanized flashing in a 6" x 1 1/4" pvc pipe with flashing all the way around the tube with a 7"x 1/2" copper tube in the middle with the laxative ,6 of these wired 3 in series and the 2 banks of 3 in parallel ..I build this 10 days ago,and have not been running any lights off it.
At start I had 3.56v open and 102 ma shorted..
10 days later I have 2.52v open with 42ma shorted..
I have the dirt packed very tight, I also charged a big cap with this for approx 8 hrs and had almost 1 amp at around 3v open ..

#3 A small tube cell similar to the ice tray with about same results..

#4 A sandwich style that is only 5/8" thick by 1 1/2" x 1 1/2, with copper/zinc and cardboard no dirt .

#5 Stainless steel/ aluminum no electrolyte  just dirt ...

...I get better reading during the day than I do at night, ... Is sunlight having some affect on it ?
I would like to know ..

...,I am planning on trying carbon rods as soon as I can get some ..

Thanks Jdcmusicman

Nice report jdcmusicman.
Thank you... it is all good information.

#2 is the closest to our working setup.
Would you be willing to put one together with just the 2 metals and no electrolyte for this test we are doing?

The test here is with similar probes in the ground, (those being copper and zinc or zinc dipped roofing nail). We are looking at the global changes on a daily (almost) basis. So, everything else must be as close as possible to everyone else's  for our results to be valid.

[I have 2 setups. One for here, and one that is experimental. I try to keep the reports of the experimental one on one of the earth battery threads to keep this particular datalogging easier to see.]

As far as the sun is concerned I have seen differences with it, but I am not able to quantify anything even after all my tests. The sun or water make a difference, but without a way to accurately measure the moisture there is no way to quantify the sun.

If you want to , you could make an extra test for this and for us here. You could use a fully saturated (=dripping water wet) soil and compare sunlight and moon phases too. [The magnetic pull from the moon is enough to make the tides rise and fall on the enormous body of water we call ocean, so, I bet it can pull some magnetic effects on our probes too.] You might put the soaking wet soil+probes in plastic bags to maintain even moisture better. But, do not move the probes once they are in the earth, as they seem to entrain in their place.

And, welcome. I am glad to have you here,

Quote from: nightshade

connect the potentiometer onto your (positive)  wire so it's in series with   your earth battery then you can adjust your voltage
they were used back in the days when they used the earth batteries to power the telegraph stations from what I have read
What an interesting concept that you would want to add a resistor when we have been trying to get the voltage as high as we can. I wonder what the reason was?

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they also used inductors as well  I would love to get a look at some of the equipment they used back on those earth battery's
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me too.

Thanks for this info

jeanna

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #424 on: August 07, 2009, 06:50:41 PM »
@ JDC:

Very nice work and welcome to our group here.  It is always good to have another experimenter join us.

Jeanna:

Great point about the moon phases, it never occurred to me.  Night and day difference are already being reported but, good thinking on the moon.  I would guess that it would have some effect.  As to if it is measurable or not, well, we will have to see.  Excellent thinking.

Bill

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #425 on: August 07, 2009, 08:33:30 PM »
Thanks Bill.

Now for an early visual treat.
It started to spritz (Oh heavenly!) while I was doing today's tests. You can see it on the screen. I stopped but managed to finish this plain probes part.
There were very tall spikes today.
I saw these 2 or 3 days ago. I stopped them to see. 18mv in a background of 6.5mv without them.

jeanna

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #426 on: August 07, 2009, 08:36:53 PM »
@ Jeana:

Nice spikes there.  Very clear shots of your scope again too.  I wonder what might be causing those spikes one day and not another?  I think this is a very complicated puzzle we are attempting to solve here.

Nice work.

Bill

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #427 on: August 07, 2009, 10:09:49 PM »
... I wonder what might be causing those spikes one day and not another?  I think this is a very complicated puzzle we are attempting to solve here.

I wonder too.
I have been looking for them too.
We have a new puppy next door. She has been barking a bark that sounds like she is in pain.
I noticed it when I was doing tests the other day and I was not sure they were not the puppy, but the timing was wrong. I saw the spike then heard the bark... I thought.
Today she was inside and the spikes are definitely not the puppy.

They are sharp and skinny. The scope shows them but I cannot get them on the hold button. I need some good luck. I would love to see them and count the frequency. But I think it is random frequency.

jeanna

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #428 on: August 07, 2009, 11:22:19 PM »
i found a used scope, surplus from a university that recently upgraded its' equipment.

should be here in next week sometime and i'll be able to assist more in the data collection process.

i have temporarily removed my JT circuit from the earth battery, to test my NS coil.
which seems to be powering it nicely (at least when the NS is freshly soaked with water)

my EB has over 100 probes now on the negative side, but the current seems to have capped out between 8-12 ma.
fluxuates from day to day...   
BUT,  the NS coil produces the same power with far less components - so thats where my JT sits for now.


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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #429 on: August 07, 2009, 11:42:28 PM »
I have acted on neighbors who hold animals trapped for long periods of time...
I have even wrote letters to people who bought trees and then didn't plant them. just let them sit out and dry....  Some people can not feel what they are doing.


About the potentiometer,  I could imagine these telegraph machines being left there for a very long time, becoming very entrained, and possibly having high voltage.  You would want some protection I am sure. 

 About the flowerpot experiment - I grew lettuce indoors, 15 pots and each one got 2 zinc screws and a peice of copper flashing, making it a battery. Volts were about 2, it lit a LED constantly. The led would flicker though...  I scoped it, and it was flatline DC. It might wave up or down as the wetness changed, but it was fun to see my status light bright up after I water the plants.   I can already feel plants thank me when I water them, and the light was just more satisfaction.  Maybe have some sort of opto-switch to sense the LED and apply more water as needed...  contraptions...

About earth energy - What do you think is a conductor? an insulator?  Could I make a zinc/copper 1 cell flowerpot battery, monitor it, then stick the whole thing in the ground, how long do you think it would take for the earth energy to flow in?   Plants use earth energy obviously, look at the difference between "wild" and "indoor" strains of any plant.  Might not want to use a plastic flowerpot.. Maybe one carved out of rock? A steel one might act itself as a probe... Ceramic, who knows?

I will try this.

Anyway, seems like Jeanna is doing this right ;-) Love the scope shots.  The spikes might be lightning strikes somewhere? a storm closeby? Or someone doing high voltage research?  If the planet was reacting to the dog's pain that would break my heart... but I don't think that's the case. High energetic gamma rays smashing into something closeby?  Nukes going off around the world?  You almost never get told about any of the ones set off underground / undersea, and those matter the most.  I was in the navy for a while and subs do deathmatch with large ordinance all the time at the north / south pole...

That is why I think this current application is more of a ground sensor then a source of raw power. A different window to look through. See all sorts of stuff if you're careful.  I noticed one time (back in the day :P ) that my EB volts dropped by more then half... Took a walk and my poor forest was being torn down for buildings. So I know plant energy plays a part. Electroculture: The Electric Tickle says you can collect plant energy with a probe 1 foot north of a tree.

I love this forum.

Take it easy.

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #430 on: August 08, 2009, 02:08:07 AM »
Cosmic:

Nice post.  I would offer you one word of caution about eating plants (if they are indeed the edible kind) where you have had a galvanic reaction going on in the soil.  The zinc will be stripped from the screws and may (I am not a chemist) create some toxic by-product.

Jeanna is a biologist and knows world's more about chemistry than I ever will...maybe she can add something to this warning.

Back in the beginning of the original EB topic, Stefan (Forum owner and moderator) warned us about the effects of copper degrading in the ground due to galvanic reactions.

I agree about the sensor part of your post which is the reason Jim wanted to start this topic.  Maybe, we can see earthquakes or volcanic eruptions before they start, or at least see the effects on our systems when they do occur.  I really think that we will be able to "see" a long way away.  What we see on our scopes may not be local.  Who knows how far away those spike originate?  Like a wave on the ocean that hits our shore began thousands of miles away.

Bill
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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #431 on: August 08, 2009, 02:48:14 AM »
i found a used scope, surplus from a university that recently upgraded its' equipment.

should be here in next week sometime and i'll be able to assist more in the data collection process.

i have temporarily removed my JT circuit from the earth battery, to test my NS coil.
which seems to be powering it nicely (at least when the NS is freshly soaked with water)

my EB has over 100 probes now on the negative side, but the current seems to have capped out between 8-12 ma.
fluxuates from day to day...   
BUT,  the NS coil produces the same power with far less components - so thats where my JT sits for now.

Smokey:

Nice job on finding the surplus scope. (I got mine from Ebay)  Now you will really have some fun with this.  I hope you post your waveforms and list your location and we can add that to the database.  I'll bet you see spikes as well, and other weird stuff.  I look forward to seeing your shots.  Nice job.

Bill

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #432 on: August 08, 2009, 05:05:40 AM »

i had some thoughts about those spikes, after watching Bill's video and slowing it down to a slow rate.

im talking about the 6-7 seconds where he actually seperated the triphase and you can clearly see all three.

they are not "exactly" 120-degrees out of phase. and may in fact differ very slightly in frequency. this could occasionally cause constructive interference with one another.

i wish i had more footage of that to examine. but it seems most of the other recorded scope videos show the jumbled mess the 3 waves create together. i would add some advice on how to best seperate them like that again, but until i have my scope here, i wouldnt have a clue.

i think Bill actually says what hes doing in the video when this occurs, but that was like 20 pages ago ... would have to search to find it again, as i didnt save the videos after i messed with them.

its possible that when the waves cross at their peaks, a spike occurs. which should be happening at distinct intervals, though when you have 3 off-set waveforms, these intervals might appear to be random, when in fact its multiple pattern occuring.

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« Reply #433 on: August 08, 2009, 05:13:28 AM »
my limited knowledge of chemistry ( which sits somewhere between advanced rocketry and nuclear physics) tells me that the galvonic deposits in the soil, if any, would be an inert compound of zinc oxide and zinc phosphate.

neither of which are harmfull if eaten, and if i remember correctly, both of these are intentionally inserted into commercial foods and dental products.


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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #434 on: August 08, 2009, 05:13:44 AM »
Wouldn't I see the spikes every day then?
The day that I was out there for 1 1.2 hours I did not see one of these. I think that was the day after I saw the first spikes.
My best guess is distant lightning. Not too distant. The sky on both spike days had turned grey.

But, I live a mile away from a military fort and to my mind that is the next best guess after distant lightning.

And, that is only because the bombs are clearly audible when they are being dropped and there was no sound from the fort except copters. ugh!

But, I will continue to report them when they occur.
I think this is one of the purposes of this datalogging, isn't it?

hmm,
I might have made a video that first day. I will look.

jeanna