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electricme

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #405 on: August 06, 2009, 01:45:53 PM »
@ cosmicfarmer,
Ha ha, I also have noticed this, just try 4 days away and see what happens, now this is experience talking, lol
 
Wow I take a nap and 5 pages get posted :-)
This forum is flying. 

I apologize for not reading the stubblefield forum, but keeping up with energetic forum, Youtube, AND this forum is more then a full time job!  That, and I am moving to japan shortly. 

I think the trick is to take a ground sensor's signal, pass it through an amplifier and flyback transformer (you pay the power), and then broadcast that back into the ground how ever you like. The signal will be in phase with earth, and when 2 signals are in phase, energy transfer happens. So imagine all the energy DEEP DOWN that there would be no way you could get at with the deepest pipes... is now in your machine's circuits! So, any metal in the ground within a large distance will have immense power, volts and amps. (maybe?) You will be putting back into earth its own signal, amped. This is what I imagine the magnifying transmitter was. Almost reverse of what people are trying here. Most ideas I have read so far (sorry if I havn't read them all ) are passive systems and are showing incredible results, but I have yet to see an active system like I said above. 

That EER Tower idea which shows increased power in the earth is groovy, your are one step away from making the coolest ground powered flashlight ever. All you need now is a ergonomic case. Even have a + and - plug for charging batteries... but then you need a charge controller... bah

"No More Batteries EVER! You dont even need to SHAKE IT! Just dig a hole, put (product name) in the EARTH, and in 10 minutes you will have FULL POWER!! No more poisioning the sea with chemicals! No more over expensive batteries! "

I would call it Ninja Light, because its quiet and stealthy.
I think everything you mentioned above has some merit, good thinking and have a safe trip to Japan, don't forget to login here when you are able to. ;)

jim

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #406 on: August 06, 2009, 03:58:33 PM »
@Cosmicfarmer and Nightshade,

Thankyou for the Grandfather stuff, TA, cool too.
The parents called him Zachary Orsome .....surname will have to wait lol.

This is my 5th grand kiddie, but there is happennings down the road with the little fellow that I am not happy with, carnt say any more just yet, if you pray, start prayen.

jim

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #407 on: August 06, 2009, 04:36:04 PM »
Jeanna

you have some interesting thoughts there concerning those fractuls at

different frequencys your seeing could chaos theory be involved here at all ?

I havent tryed inductors yet on my eer setup but have used potentiometers

resistors good for verying voltage on eers

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #408 on: August 06, 2009, 05:57:10 PM »
Jim:

Happy Grandfather day down there!  Zachary is in my prayers.

Excellent work on your EER voltage increases. Run that through a JT circuit and look out for the sparks.

Bill

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #409 on: August 06, 2009, 06:49:00 PM »
Jeanna

you have some interesting thoughts there concerning those fractals at different frequencies you're seeing could chaos theory be involved here at all ?
Hi nightshade,
First I want to appologise for calling you nightlife! and welcome you on your own merit!  :-[

Is it still called a theory?
I think it is a mathematical way to express what is seen in nature. I remember that theory was very hot in the late 80's early 90's. There were photos of the julia set in every magazine.
It is also a favorite with the crop circles makers. They come in and poof a julia set has appeared on the crop field.

But what I am talking about is how they repeat at repeating intervals. And I think it is not doubles in all cases either.
At first I thought I was seeing a simple harmonic, but when the same design figure appears way inside another figure... I call it fractals, like, for instance, the julia set.

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I haven't tried inductors yet on my eer setup but have used potentiometers

resistors good for varying voltage on eers

How have you used the pots?

Except for the fact that the stubblefield generator IS an inductor, I haven't tried that either.
I am think little ones to take advantage of the very high frequency then adding ... I am quickly trying to learn about inductors asap.

In the first youtube video I was showing the little green NS generator because that is the one I had in my hands when I turned on the joule thief and saw the scope come alive.

That has an additional pair of inductors wrapped around a couple of free wires.
As detected by a DMM, the one wrapped around the iron wire shows an increased voltage difference when compared to (I think it is ) the center bolt even when that is not in the ground.

I need to re-read my notes from last year.
I did things that I knew were important but at the time had no clue what they meant. This was one of them.

Thank you,

jeanna

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #410 on: August 06, 2009, 11:49:00 PM »
@ Jeanna

i think the NS coil (at least somewhat) is operating similar to my simple EB with soft steel and copper.
only his uses the inductive portion to amplify the effect by coiling the 2 wires bifilar. (something i havent tried yet myself)


jeanna

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #411 on: August 07, 2009, 01:57:31 AM »
Hi everybody,
I have a few pix for todays report.
I did not add water and the volts are down some.
I do not think it is making any or much of a difference to the ac portion of this element.
This is the Plain Cu+,Zn- EB with just 2 probes in the ground. It is showing that it is qualifying to be an EER.

(not a lot of mv)

here are today's pix.

jeanna
« Last Edit: August 07, 2009, 03:46:43 AM by jeanna »

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #412 on: August 07, 2009, 03:03:22 AM »
New test 48h after from my earth battery not in the ground :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=th5L2S247Sc

It still works pretty good.

I made other battery with cement but i don't know if i must post my result here, they have no earth into: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpliDONnXuM

jeanna

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #413 on: August 07, 2009, 03:45:02 AM »
Hi Kamax,

In the crystal battery thread I made a lot of things like the ones you are making.
They all, without exception stopped working when they were dry.
There is serious galvanic stuff going on inside the wet cement which is very alkaline, and it dissolves the aluminum. You may have noticed this. It takes very little time to dissolve lots of aluminum.

I am not saying this to discourage you.

Have you no piece of ground to stick some probes?
There is something really special that happens in the ground.
You could do your cement experiments along side the earth probes.
We could use your datalogging information.

thank you,

jeanna

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #414 on: August 07, 2009, 04:14:55 AM »
@Electricme, Congratulations Grandpa, hope all is well.  ;D

@Jeanna, Thank you for all that data must have taken some time to compile. I'll have to look through it closer. Does you scope have any way to record the raw data(.csv)?

@Kamax, Great videos, it is really inspiring to see it still working 48hours later.

@All, I've put up one of my "other" projects that I am working on here.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7907.msg195803#msg195803
I'm trying to find a way to power this project with EB's so 9v 130ma is my personal goal.

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #415 on: August 07, 2009, 04:15:00 AM »
85 probes in the ground now...
i gradually realized that straightening papersclips is a painfully monotonous chore...

so i picked up a 100-ft spool of galvanized steel wire.
seems to work pretty much the same for volts. but only half as much current as from a paperclip. so i have to use 2 to 1.
but i save time and fingertips this way, and allows me to continue my efforts.

i'll post more results tonight after im done adding to this mess i call an "earth battery"...

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #416 on: August 07, 2009, 04:42:00 AM »
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@Jeanna, Thank you for all that data must have taken some time to compile. I'll have to look through it closer. Does you scope have any way to record the raw data(.csv)?

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Nope, sorry.
It is purely hand held, but it is a real scope according the box. Not a rendering from a dmm, which is why I bought it.( Also, I wanted one that could go out to eb's!)

I think all the numerical information is on the right hand side in that column.

It is reading peak to peak voltage. Did you see my youtube explanation?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfwMFrqGtaE
That might be a helpful way to introduce you to this scope and what I am looking for.
You have a real scope don't you?

jeanna

Edit:
I saw your post and your dream on the link.
so great go for it !

mmm love those leggos
« Last Edit: August 07, 2009, 05:34:06 AM by jeanna »

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #417 on: August 07, 2009, 06:06:18 AM »
Hi Kamax,

In the crystal battery thread I made a lot of things like the ones you are making.
They all, without exception stopped working when they were dry.
There is serious galvanic stuff going on inside the wet cement which is very alkaline, and it dissolves the aluminum. You may have noticed this. It takes very little time to dissolve lots of aluminum.

I am not saying this to discourage you.

Have you no piece of ground to stick some probes?
There is something really special that happens in the ground.
You could do your cement experiments along side the earth probes.
We could use your datalogging information.

thank you,

jeanna
Thanks for the info jeanna, that's what i think too about cement. More the cells are dry less they give power but i want to see it by myself and i have make some cement/earth mix  :P
I have seen some pics of the marcus reid crystal battery and some looks very close to mine. He's battery was tested and give output, not a lot, but for many years.

I don't live in a house so it's a little hard to put someting in the ground :(

Someone has tested with the house copper pipe and the ground ?

jeanna

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #418 on: August 07, 2009, 06:45:35 AM »
He's battery was tested and give output, not a lot, but for many years.
Yes, we were not successful, but it sure was a lot of fun mixing those things together.
I think Ian had the best one. He charged his then put it into the deep freeze.

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Someone has tested with the house copper pipe and the ground ?
You could put 2 probes into a big flowerpot with soil and take measurements every day.

We need that kind of control for our tests. You will get some millivolts. Maybe 1 volt. If you look at localjoe's first post when he opened up his thread, you will see that is what he did.

But, it would be helpful to have some people make in-the-house flowerpot batteries to compare with in-the-ground batteries, so please do this.

thank you,

jeanna

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« Reply #419 on: August 07, 2009, 07:55:58 AM »
Jeanna:

Excellent idea.  This is exactly why I had asked Jim to do an out of ground on the table test, just so we might be able to ascertain the difference the earth currents are making on these devices.  It would make a good control and if a lot of folks did it, we could see if the percentage of gain would hold to some sort of constant a various locations on the planet, or if it would be all over the place.

I remember testing my original set-up out of the ground and did not get much.  Looking back, when I set the new one up, I should have put a meter to it.  Oh well, just shows my hindsight is still working, ha ha.

Bill