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jeanna

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #300 on: August 02, 2009, 07:36:55 PM »
Good morning everybody,

Wanna see some more pix?

Yes jim, thanks. The sun was in a really good place in the morning yesterday and I avoided high sun later on. Today the sun was up.
@Altrez... I am finding that if I set my camera to 2Mpx and stand away then seriously crop I can sometimes get such a good picture I don't even need to enhance. But the sun must be at a low angle, or there is too much glare.

OK my friends... here we go .

Today the volts are down a little.
The main wave is apparent at 125hz and the highest vibration I see today is um 2.27Mhz.

 I wish someone else would join me in this excellent endeavor.
I am only one of us, and this plan will only work if we all take part.
And as close to daily as possible.
It takes very little time when the probes are in the same place as they must be, and the wires are ready for clips. Really it does.

Morning pictures from today.
Plain Cu+, Zn- probes about 9 feet apart.

jeanna

edit
here is a link to next door at the stubblefield bifilar thread. I think it might be better to keep these separate, but I cannot resist showing them to you.
I really think they are exciting.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4455.msg194991#msg194991

I also just realized that I should be identifying these by the top number in the pic which is the resolution of the screen.
Maybe I will not change it though.
« Last Edit: August 02, 2009, 08:29:38 PM by jeanna »

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #301 on: August 02, 2009, 08:08:28 PM »
@ Oscar:

With all due respect, if it is sitting on a table and not buried in the earth, in my opinion it would not be an EER.  If your sand pile was above the ground level, that too would be no different than sitting on your table.  I believe you have to be in the ground to intercept these waves and vibrations of various frequency.

Since no one, to my knowledge, really knows what is going on, anyone can feel free to disagree with me.  To move from galvanic to gaining some decent power, in all of my experiments my electrodes had to be buried and aligned properly in the earth.

Bill

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #302 on: August 02, 2009, 08:13:38 PM »
Jim:
I like your PVC idea.  As a matter of fact, think about this, if you lined the inside with one type of metal and the outside of the tube with a dissimilar metal and buried it in the earth, not only might you have an EER but it is also a capacitor.

There is a youtube video where a guy makes a huge capacitor out of a 5 gallon plastic bucket by lining the inside with foil and the outside with foil.  He charged it up with a Vandegraph and got some huge sparks out of it.  This is very similar to the film canister capacitors that have been posted on youtube as well.

This might be very interesting as not only is it creating a potential, but storing it as well.

Lots of stuff to explore here.

Bill

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #303 on: August 02, 2009, 10:35:09 PM »

This am my wacky earth jacketed cap fell to .01 vdc and slowly climbed back up to .02...so I uprooted it.

Since it was buried in aerated potting soil I dumped that out and filled the ceramic pot with moist dirt from my basement/celler.

I found this piece of alum screen backed on one side with plactic...I wrapped that around the cap plastic facing outward, and taped it with that new painters green masking tape and planted it...tamped down the dirt all around and added water...and boy did it taste great!

That was my supper...just kidding.

I took the inside green garden wire end and connected it to the negative cap terminal...within an hour I metered it and got .18 vdc.

I took the positive meter probe off the cap and stuck it in the dirt a few inches from the cap and it read .13.

I think I'll have to consider that a while, and wait for another 'inspiration'.

Regards...


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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #304 on: August 03, 2009, 01:27:29 AM »
Ive noticed quite a few people here having voltage drops. For about the past 2 or 3 weeks mine has dropped down between 60 and 65v. Normally it was in the 80 to 90,s. We have had a lot of rain the past month so I assume that's the reason. Anyone still getting 80,s or 90,s? If so is it dry? 

jeanna

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #305 on: August 03, 2009, 01:39:56 AM »
Mine has been in the .9v's for a week now. And the new one has never dipped below .8v.

Just today after I soaked a new component which was very nearby, did it go down.
Mostly my 9 foot Cu+Zn- is in the middle .8v
But on a daily basis either EER could go down to .6v. IF it does, I do 2 things to check.
1- Touch and squeeze the connections which may have become loose,
2- Add water and wait one hour.
Adding the water will cause an immediate drop but after an hour voltage is restored.


jeanna

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #306 on: August 03, 2009, 02:36:57 AM »
Yay first post for me  ;D

Allright I set up a worthless earth battery and tested it out, I know it wasn't entrained. I no longer have constant access to the earth, even though I easily could. Pipes in the ground are eye sores and get me yelled at, but I persist.  I set up this E-B on the sneak-tip and these are the videos I made. Nothing eye-raising. 

I also made a basic stubblefield, buried it, and probed it. On the video, the 4 connections from the large white wire are the diffrent ends of the stubblefield. It wasn't finished but my window of opportunity at the ground was short. Same signal as all my other grounds.  I think that whole area, even being in the mountains, was saturated with nasty grid vibes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=si9pSset1_s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8U4_Ur5M64

3 foot copper north, 1 foot zinc south. As soon as I was finished with the experiment I had to unearth them. I know the magic in an earth receiver is letting it get entrained and observing it, but I could not leave these pipes in the ground.

One thing to notice though, is I had a rectifying capacitor (2 reversed diodes with common leg, to both sides of cap) to store the charge. Putting the ground on the - side before the diode reverse-charged my electrolytics .5 volts, and after the diode normal charged up to ~2 volts.

Also.  When I had the scope connected and was watching my circuit charge up, it took 40 seconds to get to ~2 volts. When I took the scope off but left the grounds alone, the circuit would not charge past .3 volts! As soon as I hook up the scope, up it goes. Scope alone did not charge the caps. Ground alone didn't get max charge. Both combined were necessary to bring the caps up to over 2 volts.

So, was this effect some sort of grid noise that the scope brought to the capacitor, which it rectified? (scope alone did no charging) or was this the ground energy being "monitored", and by the act of monitoring it, volts increased for me?   

The ground signal was about 3 volts 45 hz clean looking AC. I even turned off all my house power at the breaker except for the scope and it was still clean AC. My signal (oscope to finger) was about half a volt, same frequency AC as the ground, but inverted. My bio-signal was the same frequency as ground but inverted. Also there were complexities in the wave that reminded me of fractals... but my scope is too old. Also touching house ground would null my signal, and earth ground gave me more volts but reverse phase. Just watch this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l9MLULqC38

Anyway, I am still on the hunt of a living accommodation that lets me put some metal in the ground. When that happens I will have scope to ground 24/7 and webcam link for you.

Previously, I was at a place where I had about 6 ground rods of different metal in various places and I saw similar waveforms as the ones earlier in this thread. That ground was entrained. I have never repeated it since. I took no pictures so I guess it never happened (to you).  This was before I knew about the data collection en devour on this site. The frequency was in the Mhz and about 11 volts.

One thing to think about - I have had more success using ground antenna (one rod) then the zinc/copper pair. Anyway. I got more experimenting to do and will post something when I think its relevant.

in the mean time, peace out.

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #307 on: August 03, 2009, 06:04:49 AM »
kid had a borthday today, so i obtained more of those toy-twist-tie thingies.

i went ahead and plugged my large steel pipe back in parallel with them for extra current boost.

i now have 13 of my "experimental electrodes"
(+ a 2ft stainless steel pipe)
and 3 6"-square copper plates at the south end.

drawing 0.98v @ almost 6ma now.

if i can find a suitable substitute for these things i would like to make a field of hundreds of them. i think great current can be drawn this way, by connecting several more of them in parallel.

i can light up all of my 30 LEDs now.
caused my neighbor to ask what it was tonight !!!




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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #308 on: August 03, 2009, 06:42:26 AM »
Hi,

I'm not sure if someone has posted this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwtMzI66fXo

jeanna

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #309 on: August 03, 2009, 06:54:20 AM »
Hi Sm0ky2,
I am glad you are still here!

I have a request .
Please make me a drawing of this or really try to explain it.
How does one put a bunch of twist tie coils in parallel with a steel bar?

I am kinda new to this stuff. I know what parallel means etc.

I am only half joking, cuz I really cannot wrap my head around your setup.

I need to find his name. There was a guy. rex has his stuff. who wrapped a zillion little coils around nails and ran his whole house etc could have run his neighborhood... etc. He was ridiculed to his demise, of course, because he honestly though he could help save the world. Well... THEY showed him! [Those are the ones I feel the most sorry for. I mean the innocent ones.]

I assume you could use plastic coated copper, but you are using plastic coated steel. Perhaps this is something we are all missing. Stubblefield used iron. Hmm.

A drawing or a pic or a video whatever is easy for you.
Thanks a lot,

OK I have a couple of pix from tonight's trip to the Battery EER in the back yard.

Welcome CosmicFarmer
Your pics and input are most welcome, as are you.

jeanna

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #310 on: August 03, 2009, 07:00:55 AM »

i just replaced my "experimental electrodes" with similar ones made from copper wire and got very little voltage (0.05v)

so my set-up only works with the differing metals. in my case it is steel wire vs copper.

i have not yet ruled out some sort of galvonic reaction in my particular set-up, at least for the voltages above 0.6 that i get from the standard "EB" arrangements i have made thus far.


umm.. i thought i described it thoroughly before, but ok..

"parallel" meaning all wires are connected to the negative terminal of the "EB"


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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #311 on: August 03, 2009, 07:07:11 AM »
in reference to the above video,
i scratched the oxidized layer off of a soda can, and placed my meter between the can and a piece of copper wire sitting on my desk.

reading:  0.5v

copper/alum battery,  i think this was invented by alejandro volta some 209yrs ago??

jeanna

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #312 on: August 03, 2009, 07:25:26 AM »
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so my set-up only works with the differing metals. in my case it is steel wire vs copper.

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"parallel" meaning all wires are connected to the negative terminal of the "EB"
So you twirled the wires and scraped the ends then you put one end of each of them into the ground and the other end of all of them together onto the copper probe?

Nothing extra is connected to the steel pipe? Only 30 of these things that are very small as things go maybe 1-2 inches total spiral length?

Then in between the 2 wires that connect the steel pipe to the copper with the expels you stuck a joule thief and you can light 30 leds (i am sure these are parallel)

Is this how you are doing this?

I do not think yours could be galvanic.
Just a tiny bit.
for some reason you need to have a touch of galvanic with all the magnetic earth currents to make the thing do work. But earth batteries are mostly not galvanic, I am sure of that.
(I am not talking about putting a plastic cup in the ground with electrodes in it. I am waiting to see about that.)

Thanks. please confirm my explanation.

jeanna

btw, my Cu or C ar both the pos side of my battery . the steel is the neg.

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #313 on: August 03, 2009, 07:34:17 AM »
ok i dont understand what you're saying..
i'll try again::

copper is the positive side of my battery. 3x   6-inch square copper plates tied to the + lead. (bottom end stuck in the ground)


the steel pipe and all the coiled steel wires are connected to the - lead. (bottom ends stuck in the ground)
between the + and - is placed the load. This is where the joule thief goes.

by themselves: (with respect to the copper lead)
2-ft stainless pipe gives me 0.68v max
2-inch coiled steel wire gives me 0.98v max



so far all my LEDs are light up across the transistor. if i connect ANYTHING to the secondary of the joule thief, the current draw is too much for the EB and all my LEDs go out. So, at this point the secondary of my JT is just open ended.


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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #314 on: August 03, 2009, 07:43:01 AM »
Thank you Sm0ky2, I have it, now!  :D

I better get something to cover the steel wire I have so I can try this. I dunno, it just might be a breakthrough.

Thanks,

jeanna