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electricme

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #270 on: July 31, 2009, 03:24:04 PM »
So how high did it go?
well lets take a peek shall we.

Before we doo, just think about this a moment, it has been thought by many people who have tried to make a series earth battery (EER), and have failed, you have seen it is possible to make one, so go on, get the stuff and do it.

Go to the Joule Thief forum and see what we all have done there, and use this Series EER earth energy recovery setup to power up 400 LEDS.

Or use the JT to make 600volts or well, try for 1000 volts, I have seen it done.
NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE.

Here is the last video.
I will bid you all hooroo

jim

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #271 on: July 31, 2009, 03:50:11 PM »
So how high did it go?
well lets take a peek shall we.

Before we doo, just think about this a moment, it has been thought by many people who have tried to make a series earth battery (EER), and have failed, you have seen it is possible to make one, so go on, get the stuff and do it.

Go to the Joule Thief forum and see what we all have done there, and use this Series EER earth energy recovery setup to power up 400 LEDS.

Or use the JT to make 600volts or well, try for 1000 volts, I have seen it done.
NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE.

Here is the last video.
I will bid you all hooroo

jim

HOOROOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AWESOME AWESOME AWESOME WORK
Thank you so much for sharing all of that with us. You ROCK!

Again thank you so much for sharing your Hard work.

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #272 on: July 31, 2009, 03:54:26 PM »
Checked the EB this morning around 8:40, the readings were 799mv 128ua. There is a slight drizzle of rain, I was expecting to see the current drop back to normal levels 40u-60u range but its still high. The voltage has really dropped.

@Jeanna, I see now it's the carrier wave I should be looking at, thanks. Have to take the scope out when it gets drier. I'm not sure where the .983 volts went, it seems to dissipate quickly. I keep thinking of how geothermal heating works where the cold pipes attract the thermal heat from the surrounding warm earth and try to balance. Could be a similar effect going on.

@Nightshade, Neat to see that different setups still seem to produce about the same voltage and readings.

@Electricme, :) Ok now I have to grab another coffee. Wow! great work. Looks like what I'm missing is getting freaky with the EB and wrapping it in Saran wrap, then adding some water. Thank you for the step by step guide, it is very helpful.

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #273 on: July 31, 2009, 07:59:38 PM »
Jim:

Excellent work my friend!!!!!  Also, and equally important, very excellent presentation and tutorial on how to do this!!!

As I mentioned to you before, I want to try this using carbon and magnesium...IF I can find suitable shapes and supplies.

As you can see from this chart:

Metals and Soils
Potential Differences of metals
(Soil Galvanic series) 
Metal
... Potential
V Cu/CuSO4 electrode
Magnesium (pure) -1.75
Magnesium (alloy) -1.60
Zinc -1.10
Alluminum (alloy) -1.05
Aluminum (pure) -0.8
Steel (clean) -0.50 to -0.80
Steel (rusted) -0.20 to -0.50
Cast Iron -0.50
Lead -0.50
Steel (concrete) -0.20
Copper -0.20
Brass -0.20
Bronze -0.20
Steel (mill scale) -0.20
Cast iron (high silicon) -0.20
Carbon +0.30
Graphite +0.30
Coke +0.30
Notes:
Non-uniform conditions at node surface 

As you see, this would mean over 2 volts per cell x 7 cells = 14 volts!!!  If your copper is positive in your set-up, this would mean my tubes should be carbon and then I need mag. rods for the center taps.

From the chart posted above, we can also use other metals that are as far away from each other on the scale above even if I can't find the carbon and mag.


Very nice job, I think this is just the beginning Jim and man, you could fill your yard with these and run your heater.

Great work!

Bill

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #274 on: July 31, 2009, 10:17:24 PM »
Hi everybody,
I have taken advantage of a sublimely cool morning to play outside with my earth battery, and my stubblefield generator which I added to it.
And I managed to take a movie shot in AVI format that is 300k. So, I will post that now.

I checked the connections of the NS generator with the EB a couple of ways.
I admit to a silly third one too.
1 the silly one, I saw the copper of the "5" wire and I connected it up with the 15' wire to the south zinc side of the EB and wondered why nothing at all happened. I am glad I did this. I am glad to know there was nothing there .
But then I poured some water on the NS#9. I suppose it is good enough to show since all the readings since then have been with wet ground around NS#9.

The frequency is higher with NS#9 attached.
1- Just the steel "6" wire and the 2 antennas.
BUT THEN...
2- I twisted the 5,6 together for a center tap, and connected that to the
15' wire that connects to the
zinc probe which in turn is
15' from the meter.
On the other end there are carbon rods 15' to the north.

so maybe like this Starting from the South:

NS#9 twisted centertap_____zinc probe_____Meter_____C

Here is a movie of the whole wave of the NS#9 connected to the twisted 5,6 as described in 2 above.

jeanna
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I have also added a drawing so you can figure out what the heck I am talking about! :D
« Last Edit: August 01, 2009, 02:39:13 AM by jeanna »

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #275 on: August 01, 2009, 01:44:13 AM »
With 7 of them you should have had around 5 volts. You can also use lacquer spray paint instead of tape if wanted. Also liquid tape will work better as its made for underground splicing and doesnt deteroriate as fast as tape. If you wrap a small plastic piece on the bottom of the pipe leaving a gap for the water to run out it will keep it damp as the water stays on top of the plastic. I think when you are using an external cathode the copper pipe has to have the dirt packed down good. From what Im thinking its better to have the cathode in the middle of the pipe with a close tolerance between the two. But maybe not. This would seem to make it act like a one layer capacitor. Earth capacitors have higher ratings. BUT!! I noticed that DreamThinkBuilders cathode was bolted on and insulated. Im curious if he packed dirt in it first before putting it into the ground. If not he had some good voltages if it was a single piece and not part of a series.
 I fashioned mine this way. It saved clips plus there is no dissimilar metal problems.  I dont recommend all thread or any blunt metal. Its a pain if you want close tolerances driving it down the center of the copper. You could grind it down to make it easier if you have a grinder. 

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #276 on: August 01, 2009, 01:46:09 AM »
This is  a pic of the NS#9 which is moist and in barely moist  ground with
the probe on the secondary and
the clip on the fe10.

I got no voltage reading from the secondary as usual. I actually want to remove the sleeve and wind it directly onto the primary. But for now, this is showing a good amount of activity and large spikes. well 29mv spikes.
This is still attached to the zinc nail etc as before, too.

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I will add a drawing of how this is hooked up. thousand words...
« Last Edit: August 01, 2009, 02:10:15 AM by jeanna »

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #277 on: August 01, 2009, 02:21:41 AM »
@IotaYodi, The center of the EB is empty, I didn't have any dirt in there. I wrapped the bottom portion of the copper pipe with saran wrap and did a measurement but had no voltage at all, so I'll have to fill it with dirt.

@Bill, That is a great chart I'll add those to my notes.

@Electricme, would it be possible to have a single negative pole and multiple positive poles? Since the copper pipe is isolated from the others by the tape. Place each copper pipe piece in a plastic ice cube tray filled with dirt and have the negative pole external? With all the lightning it hasn't been very good weather here to test the idea.

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #278 on: August 01, 2009, 03:20:09 AM »
I just tried a quick and dirty experiment just for the heck of it.  I strung about 20 feet of fine copper wire I salvaged from a monitor I took apart a while back from a tree in my front yard down to my EER (Earth Energy Receiver) set-up.  First, I tried it with the carbon rods and got hardly anything...then I hooked it to my meter and the mag. block.

Well here is the interesting thing I do not understand.  I also got almost nothing here as well but, since I had quickly burned off the insulation on the wire (it was like mag wire) I thought it might not be a clean connection so I reached over to hold it on the probe with my fingers.  As soon as I did...the DMM started climbing!!  In about 10 seconds it was up to 1/2 a volt. (.5 volt)  As soon as I removed my finger, it dropped down to almost nothing again.  I still thought it was a bad connection so I cleaned up the wire end better and still....same thing unless I held it, only then would it build up the volts.

I wonder if it is because anywhere I have read about the antenna systems with an earth ground set-up, they always used diodes, germanium diodes to be exact.  I happen to have about 20 of those here.  I wonder if my body was acting as a diode in the circuit somehow?

Most of the set-ups I have seen used about 100 feet of antenna (mag) wire so I did not expect much on this try anyway.  I will make a video of this if I get the time but, anyone have any theories as to why this might be?

Bill

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #279 on: August 01, 2009, 03:35:18 AM »
I guess since you were grounding the antenna, you were some kind of doide. The current from the wire/antenna and the meter both had to go through you to the ground?

What happened if you let go of the antenna? and you were just touching the meter?

I am thinking it could also be skin effect crossing you where the contact with the wire alone was not so good but through you it went right up to the antenna.

So, maybe not a diode but just a good connection?

jeanna

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #280 on: August 01, 2009, 04:02:57 AM »
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@IotaYodi, The center of the EB is empty, I didn't have any dirt in there. I wrapped the bottom portion of the copper pipe with saran wrap and did a measurement but had no voltage at all, so I'll have to fill it with dirt.
Your meter was showing .90v unless I read it wrong.

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« Reply #281 on: August 01, 2009, 04:15:21 AM »
I guess since you were grounding the antenna, you were some kind of doide. The current from the wire/antenna and the meter both had to go through you to the ground?

What happened if you let go of the antenna? and you were just touching the meter?

I am thinking it could also be skin effect crossing you where the contact with the wire alone was not so good but through you it went right up to the antenna.

So, maybe not a diode but just a good connection?

jeanna

Jeanna:

I tried several different things including just holding the meter probe and no antenna.....nothing.  Just the antenna wire on the probe...nothing.  With me holding the wire, which was well stripped of insulating lacquer by this time and wrapped around the probe tip, and it climbed from .02 volts to .5 volts in about 10 seconds. 

That's half a volt from a very poor antenna.  The best way to do this from what I have read is to get a helium balloon and send the wire up a good distance.  I may wait until I can try that way.  If I get the same results, then I guess I will look into using the diodes that I bought for this experiment a while back.

It was just a very confusing (easy for that to happen to me) result that was not expected.  I really thought I would just get like .005 volts or something as my antenna wire was very short and not that high from the ground. (about 6 foot.)

Thanks for your thoughts on this.

Bill

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« Reply #282 on: August 01, 2009, 05:13:51 AM »
Hi everybody,

Here is another tiny video
The Stubblefield coil was set up essentially as this afternoon but in an effort to make it more ignition coil like, I connected the fe10 to the secondary while the other connection of the 5,6 stayed twisted together and connected to the wire leading to the zinc nail then on to the meter as pictured above.

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EDIT for clarity:
I am measuring this in the usual place which is between the carbon probes and the zinc probes.
What I have added is a stubblefield coil to see if it will act as an antenna.
It seems to me that it does.
However the DMM today was 1.02v which is a little higher than usual but not a lot.
I will keep this antenna on for a while if it is all right with everyone.
I realize this makes my set-up very different from the usual, but it seems more sensitive to me, so I like it.

In fairness to this project, I will get more speaker wire and make a normal copper and zinc pair so my results are in line with normal set-up.
My apologies for this diversion.
end edit.
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I believe the mv went from 50 to 69 or maybe they were already 69mv There was no change in frequency, but there might have been some rise in mvolts.
The movement of the wave is deliberate and rhythmical.

Have a look.

188k avi format
69mV peak to peak.

jeanna
« Last Edit: August 01, 2009, 06:51:31 AM by jeanna »

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #283 on: August 01, 2009, 05:27:01 AM »
@All,

I have just had a PM from Weri812 which makes very interresting reading.

I need to thank Weri for bringing this to my attention, thanks Weri.

It seems someone else has done what I have done before and it is documented.

I am not the originator of the Series Earth battery, although I wish I was lol.

But I'm glad I got to build this and it does work and works well, but what I am curious about is this.

I and others here, well back on Bill Joule thief thread, and I think on the Stubblefield threads, how come no one has been able to make a series earth battery before now.
I have tried several times with different metals (as others have done) and did not succeed, until now.

I have also searched the net (as others no doubt have done) without any obvious answer of a series earth battery, only some hints to it's existence, which made me even more determined.

I have mentioned this in the past to several people who know me, also I have read where others have done their own research and came up with the notion it couldn't be done.

I also have made previous experiments with series earth rods, and got nowhere at all, but I thought their must be a easy solution.

So what happened? well I suppose it is a bit like Tesla's work and Stubblefields work, the methods were lost or deeply buried, then others came along and read about this or that, they researched and they managed to figure out what to do, and did it.

So I can't make any claim for being the first to make a series cell power unit or cell from the ground, but, I'm glad I made a series EER system.

Here is the link Weri812 sent to me, and I went there and checked, and sure enough, in full colour is a system of series earth cells.

  http://www.4shared.com/file/92366887/ad3b1eb6/Free_Energy_-_Free_electricity_From_The_Earth.html

I also read deeper and can see an article on a capacitor setup in the earth, is this related to Mica Capacitor energy that Tesla managed to do.
This looks very interresting, also.

My own method is very similar to theirs, I have used electrical tape.
They have used paint and a plastic cup or a plastic sheet or something like this.

I also have used one different metal in my first successful series experiment, which I don't see there, which reverses the polarity configuration.
   
So why didn't all my series experiments to make a series battery work?

It's a bit like this, if you think of the earth energy flowing around in a sea like manner, then think about a 12v car battery, If you pull all the internals out of the car battery, still connected together, and put this same assembly into another open box/container, without the barrier that makes up the individual cells, whats going to happen?
The whole thing has just become just one huge big cell.
The energy is Null-ed Out.

So it stood to reason, at least to me anyway, to insulate each individual cell by insulating it with electrical tape. Poking the tape up inside the copper cell fixes the sharp edge at the bottom of the tube, (and deals with any water when it rains) so it wont damage the tape as you put the cell in the earth.

Why did I use a Zinc nail, well its the easiest to get hold of, and you buy them in packets, so there is no cutting from a big long length, plus others here had used Zinc roofing nails so since I hadn't used zinc before, why not try it?

Now I see by Bills post today on his JT site, of a metal table, that Gold has the best recommendation, ha ha, too ex pensieve for this kid.


So that's how I did it, it was a simple fix to a problem that held back everyone.

It worked, but I am happy that Weri did bring this to my attention, now, is there anyone out there who has any more info of any pre - existing series earth batteries.

jim

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #284 on: August 01, 2009, 05:58:04 AM »
@Bill

I have noticed this effect with the 8" disk EB setup I made about 3-4 months ago, this is the one I took all the photos of with the cro.

I added a 8meter long aerial to it, just for something to d (and I was courious lol) and I found, if it touch the bridge diode, the LED accross the diode bridge go on.


Sooo get a LED, and touch its leg against the copper wire, have the DMM connected in parallel with it, then with you other hand, raise it higher, you should see the voltage go up, and the LED glowing.

jim

I just tried a quick and dirty experiment just for the heck of it.  I strung about 20 feet of fine copper wire I salvaged from a monitor I took apart a while back from a tree in my front yard down to my EER (Earth Energy Receiver) set-up.  First, I tried it with the carbon rods and got hardly anything...then I hooked it to my meter and the mag. block.

Well here is the interesting thing I do not understand.  I also got almost nothing here as well but, since I had quickly burned off the insulation on the wire (it was like mag wire) I thought it might not be a clean connection so I reached over to hold it on the probe with my fingers.  As soon as I did...the DMM started climbing!!  In about 10 seconds it was up to 1/2 a volt. (.5 volt)  As soon as I removed my finger, it dropped down to almost nothing again.  I still thought it was a bad connection so I cleaned up the wire end better and still....same thing unless I held it, only then would it build up the volts.

I wonder if it is because anywhere I have read about the antenna systems with an earth ground set-up, they always used diodes, germanium diodes to be exact.  I happen to have about 20 of those here.  I wonder if my body was acting as a diode in the circuit somehow?

Most of the set-ups I have seen used about 100 feet of antenna (mag) wire so I did not expect much on this try anyway.  I will make a video of this if I get the time but, anyone have any theories as to why this might be?

Bill