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Author Topic: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments  (Read 285538 times)

altrez

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #225 on: July 28, 2009, 06:16:59 PM »
I meant scope pic.
I was melting from the heat and had no patience to check my comments. It will be hot again today!

What the scope reads is what is between the markers, right?
You might have taken the pic then fixed the markers, so I wasn't sure if the markers were in the right place on that wave. Believe me, I know how tricky it is to get a pic you can share.I have more than enough volts.
I broke the meter that can read amps and I would have to rig up a 10 ohm resistor to read the amps.
I am sure it is the problem. I had in the microamps most of the time last year.

I downloaded jim's cap idea. I do not have a 1000uF cap but I do have some 47uF caps. That configuration just might do it for me, without blinking too. I can put 2 of them in parallel too!

thank you,

jeanna

That might work. I am looking for a good cap to put on my EB. I saw some of the ones you talked about in the other thread. I will stay away from them :) Do you have to hook up to a Bridge before going to the cap?

-Altrez

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #226 on: July 28, 2009, 06:30:49 PM »
That might work. I am looking for a good cap to put on my EB. I saw some of the ones you talked about in the other thread. I will stay away from them :) Do you have to hook up to a Bridge before going to the cap?

-Altrez
I guess that is what I am finding out.
The ones I showed in the pic, were the exact kind Bill used for his first EER lights a led success with the video etc.

So, Bill never had to use a bridge, but since I am still not getting a light, and I have ,9v, I will try 2 things.
1- get the amps draw way down with xee2's suggested procedure, and then if that still doesn't work,

Jim's cap on the bridge.
Sounds like a sailor.

jeanna

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #227 on: July 28, 2009, 09:06:32 PM »
I have three 6 inch 3/4 copper tubing with zinc plated 3/8 all thread down the center of the tubing spaced at about 2 inches apart. They always measure the same. Ive done small plumbing copper and a separate zinc rod spaced about 3 foot apart. Its always the same. Seeing how half the earth is under the sun at any give time,its adding radiation which would seem to up the voltage. Its in a constant ebb and flow. We dont get much snow in Florida,though we have at times,but it would be interesting to see the voltage when there is snow on the ground. If you have friends in the extreme Northern and Southern latitudes as well as the equator,maybe you can get them to drive a small piece of copper and zinc rod and check it once in a while. Cheap enough.     

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #228 on: July 28, 2009, 09:14:16 PM »
Iota:

For what it is worth, most of my early experiments with the electrodes took place in the winter of 2007, some with snow on the ground.  I did not notice any difference in the output, no more, no less.  It was always pretty steady at the same levels in either day or night.  Now, that is just for my location here in south central Kentucky, it may very well vary greatly depending where one is on our planet.

Note that when I say it was steady, I meant the output levels as I could measure them back then.  This was long before I had a scope and you have all seen the shots I have done recently.  The signal is all over the place with very large spikes.

Bill
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IotaYodi

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #229 on: July 28, 2009, 09:28:29 PM »
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I did not notice any difference in the output, no more, no less.
Did it change during the hot months?

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #230 on: July 28, 2009, 09:36:57 PM »
I have three 6 inch 3/4 copper tubing with zinc plated 3/8 all thread down the center of the tubing spaced at about 2 inches apart. They always measure the same. Ive done small plumbing copper and a separate zinc rod spaced about 3 foot apart. Its always the same. 
Hi IotaYodi
I am glad to hear from someone who has made the copper-pipe-with-zinc-rod-inside type of EB.

I am glad to hear you have found the same results we have over the last 2 years.

Thanks for that info.

BTW, I am in WA state near the 48th parallel. As Bill said, we did do this in the winter.
The trouble with winter is the frozen ground.
The voltage was very much down.
Here.

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Here is some more. I am sorry to say this...

Remember how we could not get any series type additional voltage? of course you do,

I made these little cement pots with the idea that an earth like substance = sand and lime - could provide separation enough for more voltage without being in the same pot of soil where it adds up to zero..

But I was only able to get 0.1v addition to the basic 2 probe EB.
I have a metal dome frame and today I connected some leads to that and to the zinc nail nearby in the soil.
The voltage across these leads from dome to nail was 0.385 when tested alone.

The dome only added 0.1 to the voltage across the 30 feet between the carbon welding rods and the zinc nail.

So, this morning the voltage on the 2 probe EB was .75v and with the added .385v from the dome the total only added .1v and now it reads .85v.

Darn! very consistent, though.

And where did the rest of it go?

My next trick will be to make a Y shaped wire from speaker wire.
I will connect the 2 stranded side to the dome and then split it.
One side will go to ground.
The other side will go through a cap to the zinc nail.

Or should I put the one with the cap to the ground?
It is in a tesla patent...

(The test after that will be to go directly to the carbon without stopping at the zinc.)


 :D ,
jeanna

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #231 on: July 28, 2009, 10:51:42 PM »
@ Iota:

No real change in the summer except when the ground began to dry out from the spring thaw, the output increased some, not a lot but it was better.

@ Jeanna:

I think I know where your volts went.....ready?  Check for mA's, I would bet you picked up a bunch by connecting that large frame structure into the circuit.  Maybe it is not the same but when I added my second carbon rod to the north, I was disappointed in that it picked up like another .2 volts, but then I realized my mA's had increased from like 5 to 8.5 or so.  (I don't recall the exact numbers from back then.)

Since I never tried the antenna approach it may be totally different, I don't really know.  I have heard you need to use the antenna (your structure) and the electrode on the north side of the EER.  I don't recall which one you said you tested with, maybe you tried both.

Hey, I just heard on the news today that it is very hot out your way. (Duh, you have been saying that for a while now)  Funny thing is, while you are having record high temps for your area, we here in KY are about to set a new, all-time record for the coldest July since they have been recording temps.

Bill

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #232 on: July 29, 2009, 01:16:49 AM »
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I think I know where your volts went.....ready?  Check for mA's,
OH Yes,
I do remember that. OO that would be great. Combining that with the resistor bracelet, I just might have some light tonight. (actually I need to shade my eyes at night. I have neighbors who are afraid of the dark or something.)

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...  I have heard you need to use the antenna (your structure) and the electrode on the north side of the EER....
Well,no.
I am not about to move the dome and the eer is across the back yard from it. The antenna is west of the eer...
Oh darn. I thought that was pretty much a perfect antenna.


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Hey, I just heard on the news today that it is very hot out your way. ...
the coldest July since they have been recording temps.
Oh well, would you do me a favor and send it back?  :D
Please?
This is really hot.
I really like the maritime climate. So do my plants. I have been watering 3x a day. The good of this heat is I might get a tomato out of it. We plant tomatoes here just in case we get this kind of weather.

ok out for now,

jeanna

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #233 on: July 29, 2009, 01:17:09 AM »
@IotaYodi,

I can confirm your setup. I've done different configurations(near&far) and still get the same average reading (.600-.900mv & 45ua to 60ua). It all depends on the days wet grounds seem to lower it.

I just dusted this off but here are some shots of my earth battery setup. I had another one which was in the ground since 2007 but after the snowy winter months I forgot about it. Now it's lost to the morass of weeds and prickers that have taken over.

In the first shot it shows the exploded view.
1 Copper Pipe
1 Zinc bolt in the center
2 rubber washers to isolate the copper pipe
2 steel washers and...
1 nut to join them. (oops wrong movie).

Second shot is fully assembled.

Third and Fourth shot show voltage and current I just took the readings at about 5pm, Jul 28,2009, Central CT.

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #234 on: July 29, 2009, 01:49:00 AM »
Jeanna:

No, I didn't say that right.  What I meant was...whatever you are using for your north electrode should be the one connected to the frame, NOT that it had to be aligned in any way.

In other words, If/when I put up an antenna, I will test between my carbon rods and the antenna for juice.  It should not matter (as far as I know) where my antenna is in relation to the electrode but I have read I will get better results with my + electrode over my minus.  Did I explain this better this time? (I hope I did)  You could try tests with each and see which one gives better results.

Bill

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #235 on: July 29, 2009, 02:54:57 AM »
Did I explain this better this time? (I hope I did)  You could try tests with each and see which one gives better results.

I see.
You probably described it fine before. I just heard it not fine. So, thanks for clearing this up.

What I am thinking about doing with this after I get some standard results of my yard etc, is to try the antenna with the raft of coils, and if I can ever figure how to connect the ignition coil I will use that too - or a pair of them.

But first, I want to see what the antenna does with the plain probes.
Then probes with a supercap to ground like that tesla patent where it splits.

ooo it just keeps reminding me of my 2 tier where, most recently I made the split in the secondary.

The similarity is that the 2 threads of the split in the form of a Y have the same pulses as each other. The meter and scope say they have no pulses at all. But that is because they are pulsing together. which is what the earth is doing, and one probe will go up at the same time another one goes up.

It is up or down from no reference, just from earlier in time.

So, time is the tool.

Now, delay one, while the other is undelayed, and there should be more potential. and maybe amps too, if the ions or electrons are going along for the ride.

I guess I better find that patent.
6PM still 90 degrees.

jeanna

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #236 on: July 29, 2009, 04:36:57 AM »

 @ pirate
if you try the ground to the antenna trick you may want to try this idea out it seemed to work pretty good for me some years ago a wire suspended from some steel wool about 20 foot up and three diodes 1000 volt reverse bias and ns speed one cap and a micro amp meter across the cap the negative of two diodes run from ground to the cap and cap to antenna the other diode runs negative from antenna to ground it charged quite well and seemed to be more DC in nature.

voltage rises fast with altitude so you really don't need more than about twenty foot i used this even with two ground points and it worked as well perhaps the diode from the antenna to ground could be replaced with a jt to add effect.

just a thought
Martin

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #237 on: July 29, 2009, 06:52:15 AM »
ok so....

i couldn't help but notice the vast array of different materials everyones using to make their EBs...

so inbetween my 7-ft spacing on my existing EB, i added 3 more terminals of differing materials..

1) just a regular 10-penny nail
2) a 1.5 inch galvanized post
3) an experimental electrode *

the nail and the short galvanized post produced around 0.3v
nothing impressive...

HOWEVER::  my experimental electrode was impressive indeed.

those of you with children, im sure you are familiar with those stupid wire things used to hold TOYS in their packages...

steel wire, insulated with a clear plastic. kind of like a super-twist-tie......

ok well, i stripped 2 inches off one end, and coiled the wire up into an air-core inductor.
and stuck it into the ground.
Whallla -  0.98v between this experimental electrode and my copper plates.


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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #238 on: July 29, 2009, 07:08:50 AM »



HOWEVER::  my experimental electrode was impressive indeed.
...steel wire, insulated with a clear plastic. kind of like a super-twist-tie......

ok well, i stripped 2 inches off one end, and coiled the wire up into an air-core inductor.
and stuck it into the ground.
Whallla -  0.98v between this experimental electrode and my copper plates.

Uh oh soon you will put it in a core and add a secondary. You are fast..  ;)

Ya Know sm0ky2, It really does make the most sense to be looking at this as ac. It is now possible to see it on all the scope shots that it is moving up and down, not so irregularly either.

As you have already described, this kind of wave of pulsed dc or ac does a lousy job turning on a joule thief. I learned that to my dismay when I tried to daisy chain them and ended up with the 2 tier circuit.

This is not even doing a good job once it is rectified. Unless I missed a post where you were able to get the jt light lit.

So, all in all, this inductor idea is terrific. Maybe RLC will be best, because the power in one location seems weak. Once it is going through the inductor, it could swing back with a cap.

hmm.

jeanna

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #239 on: July 29, 2009, 07:14:17 AM »
place 2x   2700uF caps in series with each other

and place the pair in parallel with my EB.
connected to the JT
and
my LED is constantly pulsing from the EB at about 2Hz.

i have finally succeeded in drawing 'usable' power from an earth battery !!!!!!!!

also: i added a second "experimental electrode" in parallel and the current increased by a full millaamp
« Last Edit: July 29, 2009, 07:36:36 AM by sm0ky2 »