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lltfdaniel1

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #210 on: July 24, 2009, 04:31:12 PM »
Every little bit helps...you got to know you system.

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #211 on: July 25, 2009, 08:44:48 AM »
Saturday, 7/25/09  1:30 a.m.
Location: east/central Kansas

single-cell earth battery holding steady at 0.66v / 4 ma

really wish i had a scope so i could get a visual on it, but theres definately 3-phase carrier signal (120 degrees out of phase)
riding on top of the DC voltage.

reminds me of a 3x mono-frequency data transmission

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #212 on: July 25, 2009, 02:00:56 PM »
Hello,
I have read Jeanna's statement that she sometimes "waters her earth batteries" and that due to that they perform better.

Then I have also read Pirate88179's statement that his EB works best when the soil is all baked dry.

I have a theory why both these observations are true and I made some experiments for verification.

I used
- a sheet of Copper (size irrelevant, I used ca A4)
- a sheet of Aluminum (size irrelevant, I used ca A4)
- an analog Volt meter
- a digital Volt meter for verification
- a heap of dry (non conducting) sand
- a slab of polished marble/stone (as used for a table top or a window sill)

My Aluminum sheet is anodized, as is all Aluminum sold. That means its surface consists of a matt layer of oxide. This surface is an insulator. At a tiny spot I scraped/sanded this "insulation" off to create a contact point for my Voltage measurements.

1) When I place the Cu and the Al sheet next to (or on top of) each other and put a Voltmeter to the contact point of the Al and the Cu sheet, the voltage reading is Zero.

2) If I stick/dig both sheets into the sand heap and measure again, I get a voltage reading (several hundred mV).
It seems to me that the obtained voltage is independent on the North-South or East-West orientation of the 2 metal sheets (but am not sure, my setup is too crude).

If I slowly pour water on the sand the sand heap "contracts" (gets denser). There a re no more cavities in it. This fact is significant for the explanation as to how and why.

The voltage rises with the sand getting denser. Mind you: the Al surface in contact with the sand is non-conductive, so the effect of the rising voltage is not due to galvanic reactions.

3) If I take my slab of polished stone and clamp one of the metal sheets against each side of the stone, so that the stone gets sandwiched in between the two metals, I get a voltage reading.
WTF !?

Summary
It seems to me that signals (call them field_strength_changes created by each metal due to its interaction with the earth magnetic field) emitted by the two metals can interact and create a voltage difference, IF the two signal sources (the two metals) are in contact. The kind of contact required needs a dense, hard medium (acting as a resonator).
The 'contact' required is not the usual galvanic contact.
The 'contact' required is more like the one which aids good sound transmission (shouting through air is not good sound transmission)

I hear you knockin'

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #213 on: July 25, 2009, 05:30:36 PM »
Hello Oscar,

Thank you for the experiment results.

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3) If I take my slab of polished stone and clamp one of the metal sheets against each side of the stone, so that the stone gets sandwiched in between the two metals, I get a voltage reading. WTF !?

Most likely you are picking up radon emanations from your rock slab. Get a sealed lead lined box and stick enough slabs with plates in it and you have a radon battery. I would keep the slab vented outside for safety.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/24/garden/24granite.html

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #214 on: July 27, 2009, 01:23:57 AM »
@ All:

Abbarue posted this video link over on the Kapandze topic:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4615804709108706714

It is Konstatine Meyl doing a very cool Tesla power transmission showing overunity.  He explains a lot of the Tesla theory behind this and I think it will be helpful here. (Jeanna, you will love this)  He shows you can have multiple passive receivers and they all get the same energy, yet the energy on the transmision side stays the same....really great stuff.

Bill

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #215 on: July 28, 2009, 02:06:26 AM »
nice find Bill.

kind of goes along with my newest discovery..

i had my capacitor (4.7mF) in parallel with the earth battery, and i as i was messing with it, i noticed the 19 LEDs flashing randomly..  eventually i figured out that it was the act of connecting and disconnecting the cap that sent a power surge through the base resistor and triggered the transistor.

a feat the EB by itself is unable to do. 

further experimentation revealed that if i open the positive end of the cap and leave the negative connected to the North side of the EB, that it draws more volts from the AIR than the south side of the EB can charge it.

so im going to experiment with this further, and connect a large array of open-ended capacitors to the north side of the earth battery.

i'll post my results later tonight.

it must have something to do with the single charged-plate drawing an opposite charge from the environment, because the north side of the EB by itself does not register any voltage difference, with respect to AIR.

[Edit:]  Wrong again i am........
i must be picking up some kind of spike-back from the JT coil.
its only occuring when i connect then disconnect the cap from the positive side of the JT. reconnecting again turns on the JT, and lights the LEDs for a moment...

guess i need some sort of switching mechanism here to further experiment.....

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #216 on: July 28, 2009, 02:15:02 AM »
Monday July 27 2009 7:00 PM Western Kentucky.

-Altrez

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #217 on: July 28, 2009, 03:05:36 AM »
Decent voltage altrez. We had a good rain today and I checked mine at about 8 pm. It was 67v. Thats the lowest Ive ever seen it. Its usually around 89 to 98v. It always goes down when its wet. I went out to my pasture for kicks to see what my galvanized Anemometer mast would show to copper. It was only 48v. 

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #218 on: July 28, 2009, 03:11:00 AM »
Decent voltage altrez. We had a good rain today and I checked mine at about 8 pm. It was 67v. Thats the lowest Ive ever seen it. Its usually around 89 to 98v. It always goes down when its wet. I went out to my pasture for kicks to see what my galvanized Anemometer mast would show to copper. It was only 48v.

Thank you. I am thinking about moving up to a bigger piece of copper to see if I can brake 1v =) That's my goal anyway. Then I am going to run the leads inside and see if I can fill a super-cap. And then run my JT. It seems like to me anyway that when the earth is dry I get better performance as well.

I think extra moisture in the ground eats up the waves of energy that we are picking up.

-Altrez

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #219 on: July 28, 2009, 03:15:24 AM »
@ Altez

How far apart are your electrodes?

i have yet to break the 0.68v barrier with mine
i spaced it out to 7ft or so, but no gains as of yet.

its about to storm here and it seems as if the amplitude of the carrier waves is increased, compared to what it was when no storm present.  the DC base voltage is still the same, but the tri-waves im picking up are going crazy...


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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #220 on: July 28, 2009, 03:23:03 AM »
@ Altez

How far apart are your electrodes?

i have yet to break the 0.68v barrier with mine
i spaced it out to 7ft or so, but no gains as of yet.

its about to storm here and it seems as if the amplitude of the carrier waves is increased, compared to what it was when no storm present.  the DC base voltage is still the same, but the tri-waves im picking up are going crazy...

1 foot :) If you look closely at the pic you can see the spacing. Its one 10 inch galvanized roofing nail. And foot of copper tube.

-Altrez

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #221 on: July 28, 2009, 03:49:41 AM »
That is cool! ... Altrez has joined the picture group!

I like that you have the probes at the extreme close distance of 1 foot. We have been trying to sus out the difference the distance makes for a long time.

I just added 20 feet to my distance this year and I have not exceeded the values I got 2 years ago. This kind of thing is hard to get much information on with such other variables as moisture and soil type  etc.

Altrez, were you able to figure out how to get the markers to tell you how high the frequency is?

Mine is usually about 2.3-2.5MHz when the wave is looking like that one.

Mine was up to 2.5MHz today.
I saw your post and went right out. I am trying to match the times of at least one person. I am wondering if the pulses in KY would be the same as WA or the same as AK or even if jim is out and about in AU. If it is seen to be a similar wave on the whole earth or definitely not and only a regional thing then I will just do my readings when it is convenient.

This way if most of the fluctuations are seen to be regional, then if a big pilse comes from far away, we should all pick it up and know that it is on the whole globe.

Anyway I will download and post my pics soon.

My joule thief seems to be taking .2v from the available earth volts but not lighting the leds. I am wondering what I am doing. If I am hooking things up as I should.

Oh well,

good job, Altrez,

jeanna

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #222 on: July 28, 2009, 04:10:19 AM »
nice find Bill.

kind of goes along with my newest discovery..

i had my capacitor (4.7mF) in parallel with the earth battery, and i as i was messing with it, i noticed the 19 LEDs flashing randomly..  eventually i figured out that it was the act of connecting and disconnecting the cap that sent a power surge through the base resistor and triggered the transistor.

a feat the EB by itself is unable to do. 

further experimentation revealed that if i open the positive end of the cap and leave the negative connected to the North side of the EB, that it draws more volts from the AIR than the south side of the EB can charge it.

so im going to experiment with this further, and connect a large array of open-ended capacitors to the north side of the earth battery.

i'll post my results later tonight.

it must have something to do with the single charged-plate drawing an opposite charge from the environment, because the north side of the EB by itself does not register any voltage difference, with respect to AIR.

[Edit:]  Wrong again i am........
i must be picking up some kind of spike-back from the JT coil.
its only occuring when i connect then disconnect the cap from the positive side of the JT. reconnecting again turns on the JT, and lights the LEDs for a moment...

guess i need some sort of switching mechanism here to further experiment.....

Smokey:

Here is a thought....years ago on the EB topic, several folks suggest using one electrode in the ground and an antenna for the other one to catch currents in the air.  I have never done that but...in view of your findings, maybe the open lead of your cap was acting as a small antenna?  Possibly you could put a length of wire up in a tree and hook that to your open cap lead and the other to your north electrode and compare the output?  I have read where folks have used a helium balloon with a small wire coming down from it on one side and an earth ground on the other and, they reported getting good power from it.

As I said, I never have tried this but maybe I should have.

Bill

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #223 on: July 28, 2009, 02:46:08 PM »
That is cool! ... Altrez has joined the picture group!

I like that you have the probes at the extreme close distance of 1 foot. We have been trying to sus out the difference the distance makes for a long time.

I just added 20 feet to my distance this year and I have not exceeded the values I got 2 years ago. This kind of thing is hard to get much information on with such other variables as moisture and soil type  etc.

Altrez, were you able to figure out how to get the markers to tell you how high the frequency is?

Mine is usually about 2.3-2.5MHz when the wave is looking like that one.

Mine was up to 2.5MHz today.
I saw your post and went right out. I am trying to match the times of at least one person. I am wondering if the pulses in KY would be the same as WA or the same as AK or even if jim is out and about in AU. If it is seen to be a similar wave on the whole earth or definitely not and only a regional thing then I will just do my readings when it is convenient.

This way if most of the fluctuations are seen to be regional, then if a big pilse comes from far away, we should all pick it up and know that it is on the whole globe.

Anyway I will download and post my pics soon.

My joule thief seems to be taking .2v from the available earth volts but not lighting the leds. I am wondering what I am doing. If I am hooking things up as I should.

Oh well,

good job, Altrez,

jeanna

I have been posting pictures for for awhile :) Have you not seen them? The scope is reading 166.6kH I have the probe attached to the copper and the ground clip attached to the Nail.

You will need a lil over .3 volts with a few mAs to turn on the JT with a low powered transistor. How much current are you reading from your EER?

Thanks!

Take Care,

-Altrez

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #224 on: July 28, 2009, 06:10:09 PM »
I have been posting pictures for for awhile :) Have you not seen them? The scope is reading 166.6kH I have the probe attached to the copper and the ground clip attached to the Nail.
I meant scope pic.
I was melting from the heat and had no patience to check my comments. It will be hot again today!

What the scope reads is what is between the markers, right?
You might have taken the pic then fixed the markers, so I wasn't sure if the markers were in the right place on that wave. Believe me, I know how tricky it is to get a pic you can share.
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You will need a lil over .3 volts with a few mAs to turn on the JT with a low powered transistor. How much current are you reading from your EER?
I have more than enough volts.
I broke the meter that can read amps and I would have to rig up a 10 ohm resistor to read the amps.
I am sure it is the problem. I had in the microamps most of the time last year.

I downloaded jim's cap idea. I do not have a 1000uF cap but I do have some 47uF caps. That configuration just might do it for me, without blinking too. I can put 2 of them in parallel too!

thank you,

jeanna