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Author Topic: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments  (Read 255458 times)

Offline Pirate88179

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #930 on: December 23, 2009, 04:27:22 AM »
@ Bill,  Do you have a picture of that coil that put out 460 mA's ?  Do you have some decent step by step instructions on how to build that ??

Freepow:

It is all over at the original earth battery topic and also on the Stubblefield speculations topic too.  We discussed different ways to make these coils and there are many photos too.

If you can't find what you need there, let me know and I can re-post a photo of it here.  Many folks made these in different sizes over there.  Mine was fairly small compared to a lot of the others.

Bill

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #931 on: December 23, 2009, 12:18:32 PM »
Thanks Bill.

@ All

 :), I have just lit my first  white LED on only one EER cell...
 (1/2 inch diam-copper pipe +, 1/4 inch-galv steel rod - both are only 19 and 3/4 inch long, which puts out approx...  .9 volt and about 3 mA. The mA's start dropping when connected to a DMM.

The EER then feeds my small Joule thief which then fills my super cap which lights my LED...

The EER (earth battery) does not go directly to the cap, It directly feeds the Joule thief, then goes on to fill cap and light LED.

I'm not saying others have'nt done this, but its a first for me with only 1x copper pipe and 1x galv steel rod cell.

LED is not lit completly at its brightest though, but the more turns i give my toroid the brighter the led seems to get.
My next experiment is to put a much much longer copper pipe in the ground which should give me better mA's
to feed my JT, then hopefully my LED will be much brighter...

Here are some photo's of my small EER - JT

Offline electricme

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #932 on: December 23, 2009, 02:21:17 PM »
@ Cosmicfarmer

My back yard is sunk in 4 feet of snow
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2682/4204392399_deba027a0d_m.jpg)

Anytime you trade voltage from one cap to another you loose 75% from what I remember, so what ever bucket gets filled with ground power is what is basically going to power the joule thief, and from there what ever.  You are going to need a series / parallel arrangement to get initial volts up from under 1.  You could charge 24  caps to .5 and slap them all together for a moment and you have 12 volts. The trick would be to have a sensor on it and flip the caps when they're hot.

so tired from the snow.
4 feet of snow, I have never seen snow, that's right, if I saw snow, I would be like a day old kiddie, wouldn't know what to do with the stuff. ;D

Now, the bit about charging caps and discharging them is interresting, I have been thinking along these lines for about a year now, even made a circuit a long way back in Bills Joule Thief thread.
Thought about using a Dot/Bar graph IC, add some caps and variable resistances to control the timer, allow each cap to fill up in turn, before the sequence go to the next cap. When the 9Th "LED" is lit, it sends a "high" to transistor bases, discharges all the caps together, forming a huge pulse.
The 10Th "LED" high switches the "reset" pin and so the whole process begins all over again.
The trick is to pick the caps to be filled so they can be filled in micro seconds, the big punch is when they are connected in parallel via independent transistors.

Then you need a bit more current available to do this, but the principle should work OK. The trick is to have enough caps to try and keep a flow of energy up to the circuit, hmmmm. :P

@ freepow
You are right about the rise in the cost of power in this neck of the woods, I have cut out drinking cups of tea all day long, seems I was boiling the kettle all the time.
I also dumped my faithful but power guzzling monitor, just switched over to using a LCD PC monitor, (early Xmas pressie) I saw the savings by looking at the UPS current demand LEDs going down. I'm using just under half the power consumption that I was before.
 
Evil captain Bligh is going to sink with her ship of labor sailor men at voting time, I can feel it in my bones, making her walk the plank on voting day will do my heart some good, ha ha ha. ;)

@ tishatang,
Are you OK? We haven't heard from you for a while and I am concerned for you.
I hope you and your family are OK, and have a over due happy birthday, and keep warm and well.

@all,
The satellite man is going to install broadband on my computer tomorrow morning at 6AM. :D
The temperatures after a couple hours on a roof are too high for him to work safely, that's the reason for the very early start.

Lets hope it goes OK without any hickups.
I will duck outside every now and again and take photos on the progress, then at cutover (ditch dial up) I will try and see how it goes.

Goodnight all, it's 11:16PM and I need my beauty full snoring dreaming sleep.
roll on 6am (yipeeeeeee) alarms are set for 5am. ;D

jim

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #933 on: December 23, 2009, 02:26:48 PM »
@ Freepow,

Congratulations are in order.

Well done on your lighting your first LED via a Joule thief using ground power.

It's quite an achievement, a nice feeling isn't it.
Don't worry about the brightness, fine tuning will make it brighter.
You are on the way to making your own free power. ;D

Well done sir.

jim

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #934 on: December 24, 2009, 12:59:50 PM »
Thanks Jim, how have you been ?

I can now power the LED fairly good now without the capacitor, I think I have fine tuned it the best I can...
If I add another EER to my first EER, it becomes even brighter !

1x EER cell  = LED lit resonably bright  (1x copper pipe, 1x galv steel rod)  .8 to .9 vdc  at  4 to 5 mA's
2x EER cells = LED lit even brighter     

I think its lit just as bright as a solar garden LED light or there abouts...

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #935 on: December 24, 2009, 05:39:46 PM »
Freepow:

Nice going there!  I really enjoy seeing stuff light up with free energy from the earth.  Check out the original earth battery topic and see what lasersabre has just done over there.  He has posted 2 videos now but it is replicable by anyone.  This is fantastic to see this progress you guys are making.

@ Jim:

We should get lasersaber to post over here as well.  His electric motor has run for hours now off of his EER with no cap!  This is all good progress.

Merry Christmas everyone

Bill

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #936 on: December 25, 2009, 03:33:09 AM »
@electricme
Thanks for thinking about me.  All OK here, just tucked in for the winter.  Really cold, daytime highs below freezing.  At least no snow just really cold.

Merry Christmas to all.
Chris

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #937 on: December 25, 2009, 04:27:45 AM »
Oh good tishatang.
I was wondering today how you are doing.

Happy winter solstice EVERYBODY.... and keep warm!

jeanna

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #938 on: April 21, 2010, 02:06:56 PM »
Looks like the thread died but I just received my oscilloscope and got some interesting results connected to my earth battery array.  Currently using 3 dipole long wire cells in parallel mg ribbon south copper north ~ 100' long each.  The scope shows spikes that may have been caused by a recent quake about 50 miles from here.  I posted a youtube video for your viewing pleasure *LOL* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuVoaLq0sIM

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #939 on: May 02, 2010, 02:39:12 AM »
The thread did slow down alot, but it is never dead.  Thank you for your contribution in observation. 

I want ground sensor stations that can find these spikes automatically, and I know its possible... just takes $$ and someone to head it up. I would be willing to donate to some ground wave fund...

Anyway I have been tooling around with charging caps from the ground now that its warmer out. 

I fixed my design because I found that if you had a diode on the - side your cap would fill up to a higher voltage then if no diode.  2 diodes had lowest cap voltage, while a diode on the + showed an increase as well but not as much as the - side.

So I have been filling up 4 of those gigantic 650 farad supercaps with mostly voltaic pile but atleast 25% ground waves. I would say that the voltaic pile sets a direction in the soil or earth which the ground waves fall into if everything is set up right.

I think that 4 supercaps might be too much. I can fill one to .6 volts overnight, but it takes a week to fill all of them up to .6 (additive) - BUT there is potential for higher total voltage as you add the 4 caps together... so even though it is taking longer to put the charge in there, it is a great idea if you can set something up and forget about it.

Hmm it seems the ultra low voltage transistors I got don't work with a 1.5 volt with a resistor on it to limit the voltage down to half. Maybe its the resistor...

Also that stubblefield coil has been shown to be a motor!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Af70Fo5rkvE&playnext_from=TL&videos=nOEnG0XFJ0I
Thx lazersaber.




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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #940 on: May 02, 2010, 10:15:25 PM »
Quote
Also that stubblefield coil has been shown to be a motor!
I dont see it that way. The coil generates the power to run a motor. I see the coil as a generator.
 
From my scope shots and others Ive seen, the waveforms look like sawtooth waves. Is this what most are seeing?

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #941 on: May 03, 2010, 06:36:11 AM »
Iota:

Here is one of the scope shots of my EER.  There are many high spikes that are not easily seen in this still shot.

Bill

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #942 on: May 03, 2010, 06:56:34 AM »
@ Tishatang,

Hello there, and hope you survived the cold climate, it's now approaching our winter time but I have been preparing for it.

I have made up a oil heater out of 2 transformers from wall plugpaks, I found I could make the iron E cores heat up by soldering a single 1N4004 silicon diode in series with the primary coil, unfortunatly it overheated the primary in the process, so I connected 2 seperate transformers in series (primary coils only) and that fixed the overheating problem. I immersed BOTH transformers into a vat of car engine oil and it worked very well.

I see no reason the same configuration cannot be used inside a collum oil room heater by making a long steel bracket and attatching the trannies in line one behind the other and fed into the room heater (as long as there is oil to immerse them into).
It takes a little longer to heat the oil, but once heated it would keep being heated. I expect the "live" part of the circuit should be connected through the existing temperature thermostat to keep the output pegged to a set heat level.

Searching the net, I discovered there are different copper wire insulation varnishes which have set alowable temperature limites, but there are some transformers wound with these higher temperature insulated wires, so it may be possible to have temperatures reaching as high as 230 degreese, well within the comfortable tempranges of 20 to 28 degrees.
I found this looking for suppliers of bare copper wire to make my 2nd  stubblefield coil.

Just imagine heating the house using just the power required by 2 wall plug power packs lol.

Hooroo
jim
     

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #943 on: May 03, 2010, 10:20:37 PM »
@electricme
I am glad you are continuing with the heat generated by using a diode to power a transformer.  Hopefully this leads to more efficient heat generation?  Maybe you can run your input through a watt meter to get an idea of power consumed vs regular heater?
 
I just arrived back in California.  Weather starting to warm up here.   Will be some time before I can do experiments.  Have to play catchup on neglected things while I was gone to China.

Good luck to all.
tishatang

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #944 on: August 19, 2010, 11:54:38 AM »
Well its been awhile - sorry
 I found this thread and it appears my data should be here as opposed to the NS thread
August 8 2010 4:30pm AST (Alaska Standard Time)

Last 30 days a week ago broke all records for rainfall here in my area.
I gotta work in it - so I will not be out in it if I don't have to.

This perhaps is the reason for the slight reduction from last voltage reading
 over on Joe's NS Rep Thread
So
3 - Holes (#1 & #2 with 4 ea and #3 with 3 Carbon rods)
Dug hole's 2&3 during breaks in the rain

All Current readings after 3min as initial reading drops right away

1st hole 2'7" deep to North has 4 carbon rods in it. All separated by 1' center fill.
(Depth corrected from last post as Leads stick up 5")
A= 2" diameter x 2' to west at bottom of hole.
B= 3/4" Squair x 8" to north at bottom of hole.
C= 1/2" x 2" x 15" to east at bottom of hole.
D= 3/4" Squair x 8" to south at top of hole, Bottom of rod aprox. 1'
E= an 8' x 5/8" Ground rod driven flush 3' to west of 1st hole. (Lots of work this one)

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I had the A-carbon shorted to the 65' magnesium and
the D-carbon to the 5' Mg for 2 weeks (Entrainment hopefully???)

I hooked the DMM leads to the wire before disconnection.
A at disconnect time read 1.14V - Two minutes later read 1.317
D at disconnect time read 1.14V and 1.264

After a 10min rest with no connection
 A read 1.49V
 D read 1.29V
(No conclusion here just data)

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Neg 60' away To

1A - 1.49V - 410uA
1B - 1.59V - 230uA
1C - 1.59V - 190uA
1D - 1.42V - 330uA
 E - 1.47V - 560uA

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On Hole#1 I did distance to neg Measurements
All 4 Pos carbons hooked together (Referred to as STAR)
To Single Neg Magnesium flush with surface


65'  =  1.55V    - 410uA
55'  =  1.527V - 435uA
45'  =  1.286V - 282uA
35'  =  1.5V      - 334uA
30'  =  1.55V   - 416uA
25'  =  1.53V   - 424uA
20'  =  1.57V   - 360uA
15'  =  1.35V   - 380uA
10'  =    V         -     uA
5'    =    V         -     uA

Neg=STAR(3)  &  Poss=STAR(4) Hole #1
1'    =   1.57V  -   1mA

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Hole #1 Neg Mg's 6" - 12" - 5' distance

Neg Mg 6" distant

1a = 1.39V - 590uA
1b = 1.59V - 250uA
1c = 1.59V - 217uA
1d = 1.41V - 530uA

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Neg Mg 12" distant

1a = 1.49V - 239uA
1b = 1.59V - 270uA
1c = 1.6V - 224uA
1d 1.42V - 490uA

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Neg Mg 5' distant

1a = 1.35V - uA
1b = 1.45V - uA
1c = 1.46V - uA
1d = 1.29V - uA

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6" & 1' Neg together

1a = 1.55V - 630uA down to 570uA
1b = 1.65V - 311uA down to 221uA
1c = 1.66V - 240uA down to 180uA
1d = 1.47V - 560uA down to 530uA

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5' & 6" Neg together

1a =   V -   660uA
1b =   V -   270uA
1c =   V -   230uA
1d =   V -   560uA


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60' & 5' & 1' & 6" all STAR together = Neg Mg's

1a =   V -   700uA Dt 620uA
1b =   V -   310uA Dt 210uA
1c =   V -   160uA Dt 130uA
1d =   V -   650uA Dt 588uA

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2nd hole 3' deep to North has 4 carbon rods in it. All separated by 1' center fill.
A= 2" diameter x 2' to west at bottom of hole.
B= 3/4" Squair x 8" to north at bottom of hole.
C= 1/2" x 2" x 15" to east at bottom of hole.
D= 3/4" Squair x 8" to south at top of hole, Bottom of rod aprox. 1'

Neg at 1'

2a = 1.69V - 240uA Dt 203uA
2b = 1.73V - 257uA Dt 220uA
2c = 1.77V - 250uA Dt 215uA
2d = 1.6V  - 270uA Dt 264uA

2a&c = 1.76V 350uA Dt 320uA

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2 Neg Mg's and all 4 STAR Poss  = 1.74V - 570uA Dt 505uA

3 Neg Mg's and all 4 Star Poss =    V -    uA

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Hole #3 3' deep 3-Carbons
A= 2" diameter x 2' to west at bottom of hole.
B= 3/4" Squair x 8" to north at bottom of hole.
C= 1/2" x 2" x 15" to east at bottom of hole.

3 Neg Mg's at 6" - 12" - 18"

6" Neg
3a = 1.6V - 310uA
3b = 1.61V - 220uA
3c = 1.63V - 300uA

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12"neg
3a = 1.55V - 296uA
3b = 1.55V - 215uA
3c = 1.5V - 272uA

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18"neg
3a = 1.45V - 270uA
3b = 1.47V - 195uA
3c = 1.5V - 264uA

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All Neg Star
3a = 1.59V - 305uA
3b = 1.6V - 195uA
3c = 1.58V - 276uA

All 3 Neg Star - All 3 Poss Star

     1.624V - 550uA

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Fence Chainlink type 200' ea side = Neg
Poss Holes in North East corner

DMM Neg to fence - DMM Pos to

E (Copper 8' Ground rod) = .75V - 330uA Dt 295uA
STAR H#1 = .84V - 500uA Dt 445uA (10' from East and North fence)
STAR H#2 = .84V - 270uA Dt 230uA (20' from E & 10 from N fence)
STAR H#3 = .711V - 124uA Dt 110uA (30' fron E & 10' from N fence)

Need to try Neg Mg STAR and Fence to STAR Poss all 3 holes
Then add Ground rod also
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OK Lots O data
From what I can see here where I am, it's not worth the effort to try for distance.
Prob. due to depth of my inclination angle.

I see an increase of both V & A by grouping elements
Weather clumped or strung out on meridian seams to be the same.
Depth is important for Positive element with proper Inclination Angle
(I need to try a Neg rod on its side say 1" in depth)
(I need to try carbon at the bottom of the hole) - This is another dig ;'(


I am going to place holes up by the house so I can run lines in for the winter.
Holes and copper ground rods will be in-frount of that Gray Glue Lam. ( that will be a ramp for the back deck for handy-capped access)
Also notice the unused Ariel  at about 30' (I have Cable now)
Don't know that much about radio or stuff like that but I'm learning.
Might try an Elevated Capacitance there. Alum glued to thin Plexie shouldn't be too heavy But will need to be at an angle to dump snow load.
   I was woundering if Shinny aluminum foil on a heavy alum sheet would work?
Don't want to have to shine up a 1/4" sheet.
Any Ideas for further testing would be appreciated.

I'm to page 50 and reading on this one
To Pg 168 on Joe's NSEb thread and will read more when I finish this one
Then theirs Tishatang 's 1 PGer but need to get it also
AND etc etc

Hope you all enjoy the data
FrznWtr
PS Proper hole digging implements
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