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Author Topic: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments  (Read 255454 times)

Offline jeanna

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #915 on: December 15, 2009, 03:28:40 AM »

 I will post a pretty graph when I am done with the readings, but right now
Wow.

I got .345v after a day in my eb caps.
I wonder if you also had some smaller capacitance caps if they would or could feed it faster than what you and I did?

Do you remember t3t4?
He made a drawing about taking volts from free air and I actually filled 2 batteries to 1.17v after the day.

I am thinking if the spikes are what is filling the bcaps with volts and farads  (mmm amps) maybe the high voltage low farads caps will quickly collect and dump into the larger cap better and faster??
I think his drawing was posted on localjoe's thread in july or august.

I do not know how to hook this up, but I am sharing the reasoning. thassall.

jeanna

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #916 on: December 15, 2009, 04:10:07 AM »
Jeanna:

This is probably a great idea!  You mean to say take some smaller caps, maybe 1F or less and "quickly" fill them and then dump that into big cap....rinse and repeat.  Is this correct?  The only issue I see is how to keep the higher level energy in the big cap once it surpasses the level of the small one/s?  I hate using diodes for this as it will waste some of our precious energy.  For some reason still unknown to me, I don't need them on my EER to B-cap circuit. I would still really like to know why though.

This is a great idea Jeanna.

Bill

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #917 on: December 15, 2009, 04:14:00 AM »
@cosmicfarmer

@electricme

Good luck on your project! that seems like the way to go.  Active systems pull the real amps from the ground, but are the most tricky to get right.  I thought a MOT was a transistor and in your drawing it seems like an inductor, but thats just me being confused.


I am "done" with my ground power station for now and have had it outside charging for 24 hours so far.  Basically, its 4 high frequency bridges tied to 4 650f 2.5v supercaps in parallel, and a switch knocks them out of the circuit and into series.  Around the caps is a metallic mass that is excited by a SEC Exciter that is powered from a solar panel through a JT.  The excited mass around the caps is supposed to interact with the ground and draw more charge into the caps.  Dr. Stiffler was showing dramatic charging in such the same manner, however he used a power supply and smaller caps.  The solar panels put out much less power then his setup, however its "free" energy.  I think the setup I have is more like a turbo that is active during the day, while charging still occurs during the night.

I think the mega capacitance I am offering the tiny one foot ground rods is keeping my charge speed low.  That, and I have not tinkered with the depth of the rods at all, and I think they are somewhat parallel. If you saw my EB to SCOPE video you know the layout of the rods.

I shorted the caps and installed the box outside.  One hour later the caps had rebounded to .012 volts or 12 milivolts.  After that, during the night, I saw a charge speed of 2 milivolts every hour.  During the day, charge speed seemed to have quadrupled, but I still after a whole day don't even have a half a volt. 

The SEC turbo seems to be working.  If I could store solar energy in a cap for night time, then I would be cooking with nitrous.  It would be interesting to see what my charge speeds would look like if I had the solar panel go straight to the caps instead of the way I have it now, to see which way is more efficient.  I believe I need the ladder filter as the capstone of this device, as that seems to unleash the SEC.

I am sure if I take a few caps out then I could charge faster, but of course I would be giving up amps.  Right now this "earth battery" seems something you set up and then go on vacation, and when you get back you have something to play with. 

Later, when I actually get a decent dipole formed, I am planning on making a CFL + Jouletheif port for the energy, and battery charger - you switch which one you want.  Ground light or Ground battery?  You decide.

On a side note I wound a big JT coil. About 20 feet of wire on each A and B side and the thing sings like a solid state bedini on twelve volts, with only a volt as input.  I seriously think JT and Ground battery (EER?) need to be married. they compliment each other.

Allright thanks for your time.

 I will post a pretty graph when I am done with the readings, but right now

The MOT is a Microwave Oven Transformer.
I am just tinkering around with them for a bit, but so far, I have a lot of respect for them.
The Primary is 240v, the Secondary is 2,000volts (thats if you use it as it is supposed to be used).
The secondary winding, is attatched to EARTH. That wire MUST be removed from it's earth joint, before it can be used in experiments.

 
I removed the wire that comes out of the 1st layer of the 2Kv coil, which is attatched to the transformers earth lug, then slipped some insulation spagethi over this wire, then glued the wire back and out to the side of the coil.
 
To test the MOT.
Arrange the secondary wires with a 1mm gap between the ends.
Feed 12v DC off a battery into the primary, you should see a spark jump between the secondary 1mm gap.
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I carn't see Utube videos unless they are 30 seconds or less, its a Dialup feed thing.
I have signed up for satellite broadband, but the installers are dragging the chain, I dont know when they are going to turn up, although all the equipment is in the installers shop, but I don't know who the installer is, grrrr.

jim



 

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #918 on: December 15, 2009, 04:26:03 AM »
Jim:

Great to see you Mate!  I was wondering how you were doing down there.

Hey, just go pick-up that Sat. dish from their shop and put it in yourself.  I am confident you would do not only a faster job of it much sooner, but it would be done better as well.

That high speed will make quite a difference for you, it opened a new world for me when I dropped dial-up a few years back.

Bill

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #919 on: December 15, 2009, 05:08:20 PM »
@electricme
For someone in your position, do you have cell phone service? those horrible cell phone towers..... Might be able to give you broadband from a phone.   Thats what my friend did in the navy when we were at sea, he was the only one able to check his mail!  Hopefully that dish comes soon.  Yeah install it yourself.  Just show up at the company with your truck and load up your gear..

@pirate
I think I might have added too much stuff :-)  "KISS" Keep it simple... 

@Jeanna
I'm still learning from you. This is interesting stuff.

When I tried only 1 cap in the bank, it charged up like Jeanna said but with all 4 its dragging tail more then I thought. It has been freezing and raining and I don't think the earth currents are too happy where I am right now.  I will remove 2 caps from the charging side next and see if that cant help things, but before I do that, I am going to tinker with the height of the ground rods next.



The idea was to make the inputs as robust as possible - if I didn't want 2 grounds possibly I could use an aerial and a ground or just one ground...    I would like to actualize a something that charges up from the ground that can compete with solar. 

Allright There seems to be a mental block from keeping me remembering certain things...

Let me get this straight (for the 99th time)

( + ) Copper, carbon, North Deeper? 
( - ) Aluminum, -- steel, zinc, magnesium, South, Shallower?    (northern hemi)
-EDIT I HAD IT BACKWARDS! WIKIPEDIA TOLD ME.-
-Again Edit-   ...     see?   The above should be correct?

My declination is computed out to 10.38 degrees (west) and I was glad to find out my backyard fence is aligned magnetic north south, but not political north south.

So, for a 1.5 foot ground rod...  10 degrees from 30 or so feet... I might have to raise /lower an inch or so.   ...   The ground is uneven, so I guess I should get a bubble level tool and a laser on top to make sure. 

wiki helps. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_battery  good list of all the metals.

I wonder what the voltages would be if you hooked a wire from a copper mine to a coal mine......  Might not need to dig the coal out of the earth to get power from it!!

Thanks for your time.
« Last Edit: December 15, 2009, 07:30:22 PM by Cosmicfarmer »

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Tuning Ground Rods
« Reply #920 on: December 15, 2009, 08:52:38 PM »
Finished tuning my ground rods, for now. 

I hooked volt meter to the naked ends and was able to read 1.490 when I started, but once I started shifting things around, I couldn't get it above 1.462 ... Disturbed the currents I did.  Found a very specific sweet spot with almost no tolerance for height changes for the highest volts. 

This was my procedure.

Stomped the carbon rod deeper in north, because some was poking out. 
Took out the Mg rod and moved it a little, aligning it better with the magnetic lines. Pushed it in the soft earth. Today was a good day to mess with the ground. Then, I pushed the Mg rod ALL the way in, and looked at the volt meter as I tapped the rod upwards.  About an inch and a half was the sweet spot.  If I brought the rod too high up, tapping it back down to the same spot yielded less volts, I would have to "reset" it by pushing the rod all the way back down, and then raising it a little.  I imagined the energy echoing back and forth in my wire, and by having it too high let some out...  Or something. I don't know.

 Now I will let the rods entrain with my capacitive monster, and have removed one capacitor.

I noticed unbalanced charging.
Tested all 4 of the caps.  2 had an average of 18 mV, one was giving me AC for some weird reason at 45 mV and the last cap had 5mv on it.     So I took out the 5mv cap and will try the naked solar panel to compare charging rates. 

Tuned the SEC a little more, Forgot to do so once I attached the copper. You need to re-tune every time you change the output and the light from a light bulb and the light from the sun are different frequencies which all need a slightly different tuning.  Found that out when I got the oscillator lid working inside, and when I took it outside it needed to be changed.

So.  Tuned rods, Tuned Oscillators, lower capacitance... Hopefully I should see a little higher return.



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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #921 on: December 15, 2009, 09:05:06 PM »
Cosmicfarmer:

This is good!!  That is exactly what I have been trying to get other folks to do..those alignment "instructions" are to be adjusted to a specific area, but it is a great place to start.

Back in the old EB topic, this is what Localjoe and I did except we were using very small electrodes at the time.  We sank one in the ground and metered the other one for distance and n/s alignment...we took our best readings and...there we put them. (this was before I knew about the depth making a difference as well)  Later, I found that i was aligned almost perfectly with the n/s meridian.  Anyway, I like how you manually tested and found your alignment, distance and depth.  Bravo.

1.480 is not a bad beginning output voltage at all, very good actually.  You watch, it will get better in a few days, and then even a few weeks later my guess is that it will be much closer to 2 volts range.  Your power will increase as well, if it is like my experience.  I used mine, then let it sit a few days, and used it some more and let it sit while I was working and...everything went up which is consistent with reports from Nathan Stubblefield himself.  You have plenty now to light an led using a simple JT and one supercap.  Later, you will have more.

Very good results here, keep up your experiments.

Bill

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #922 on: December 16, 2009, 11:29:21 AM »
@Cosmicfarmer and Pirate,

wow, it's getting interresting again, more things with earth energy to do.


First off, I don't have a truck to haul a dish back home, and the install mob hasn't told me when they are going to arrive her.
Just got a email from GetUp in Australia, seems the gov here was going to try and sneek through the ISP control, or internet censorship over christmas while everyone was thinking about other things like NWO climate change rubbish.

Be aware people, the NWO is trying to close all the open doors, very soon australia Internet is going to be like Chinas Internet, lets hope Stefan has this under control.

Bill, If OU is banned from this neck of the woods, then I will keep in touch via you about whats hapenning with EEB and the JT, going to get skype asap.

jim   

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #923 on: December 22, 2009, 08:29:18 AM »
 :) Hello All, I'm back at last ! 
I need to get serious about free energy from the earth, coz the electricity bill has recently gone up
 by 30%, It used to cost us every 3 months around $180-200 Aust, but now its up another 30%, and over the next 3 years its going up another 60-70%, all because of this stupid carbon tax rubbish and climate change, I know there's no such thing as climate change, their fooling with the weather, Nicola Tesla knew all about it, and they have HAARP and not to mention the local smaller ones around the world, if no one believes me, well thats their opinion, but I know its true that they can and do make droughts,floods,etc.


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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #924 on: December 22, 2009, 08:36:17 AM »
Freepow:

I agree with you.  There is enough evidence out there now to prove this climate change deal is all a scam.  It still does not stop our bills from going up though.  Together, we will find a way for free energy for all.

Bill

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #925 on: December 22, 2009, 09:54:49 AM »
2 volts? How about 4 feet? 
My back yard is sunk in 4 feet of snow
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2682/4204392399_deba027a0d_m.jpg)
and I think I will let it entrain over that alligator clip... which is being protected by some stationary water.

When I add or remove parts to this, I always hook my new part in parallel, then I remove the short.  Possibly if I have patience, allow a day between each step, add or remove. 

But I am noticing alot of wear on both trodes... carbon looks ok but magnesium lost its lovely shine.
I'm thinking instead of buying I should bake a log and bury that longwise in the earth, and then find something metal or bury a pipe .  Imagine a whole neighborhood based on burnt lumber and tuned plumbing in the earth for their light and power.   Electric Islanders..  Without 60hz.

Got my joule theif working really candy now.  Can get 160 volts from 1 volt or whatever mjl21194 has. Battery swap switch and rechargeable batteries make it a forever hv light, but I can't wait to get a big toroid for christmas ... maybe!

You need light? take a joule theif with a charge battery spot, and make its input the ground battery, then you got ground powered battery stations surrounded by high voltage light LED strings... Mmm fancy.  But can the earth supply the amps?  or do I have to capacitor it...  And speaking of which

Anytime you trade voltage from one cap to another you loose 75% from what I remember, so what ever bucket gets filled with ground power is what is basically going to power the joule theif, and from there what ever.  You are going to need a series / parallel arrangement to get initial volts up from under 1.  You could charge 24  caps to .5 and slap them all together for a moment and you have 12 volts. The trick would be to have a sensor on it and flip the caps when they're hot.

After 100 hours I obtained ~240mv from the ground using bridge rectifier method. I think what I will do next is take out half the diodes and observe correct polarity of grounds.  Plus I now have a better tuned backyard.

I'll get that graph later. so tired from the snow.

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #926 on: December 22, 2009, 12:24:13 PM »
@  All...


Are these Earth battery (EER's) really going to get us anywhere ??? When considering a Solar-cell of only
about 2.5 inch x 2.5 can get you  2 volts at 300-400 mA's ?????  Is'nt that free energy too !

Has anyone even been able to get at least 50 mA's from one Earth battery cell ???

My copper pipe and galv-steel rod only gives me maximum of   1 volt approx and about   
(2 ma's and those mA's start to fall when connected to DMM )

whish I could come up with a super Earth battery (EER) that puts out  1 volt at 50+ mA's !


Has anyone seen this youtube video ??? fake or not ??? 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rA-zhTJuFU&feature=related
« Last Edit: December 22, 2009, 12:51:37 PM by freepow »

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #927 on: December 22, 2009, 06:49:36 PM »
@  All...


Are these Earth battery (EER's) really going to get us anywhere ??? When considering a Solar-cell of only
about 2.5 inch x 2.5 can get you  2 volts at 300-400 mA's ??? ??  Is'nt that free energy too !

Has anyone even been able to get at least 50 mA's from one Earth battery cell ???

My copper pipe and galv-steel rod only gives me maximum of   1 volt approx and about   
(2 ma's and those mA's start to fall when connected to DMM )

whish I could come up with a super Earth battery (EER) that puts out  1 volt at 50+ mA's !


Has anyone seen this youtube video ??? fake or not ??? 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rA-zhTJuFU&feature=related

Freepow:

My personal record is 460 mA's from my larger Stubblefield coil.  Unfortunately, it shorted out after not too long at that output.  I hope this helps.

Bill

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #928 on: December 23, 2009, 02:48:10 AM »
@ Bill,  Do you have a picture of that coil that put out 460 mA's ?  Do you have some decent step by step instructions on how to build that ??

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #929 on: December 23, 2009, 04:19:19 AM »
Tesla's lab in Wardenclyffe was powered by a gigantic ground rod.

He did alot of things to it obviously dealing with earth resonances but nonetheless he mentioned something along the lines of if he wanted to shake the world he needed to take a good hold of the earth.  So I belive depth and surface area.  And then when your dealing in miles of electrode, obviously this depth tuning science can be what you need.

I had a one foot rod.  I think it charged up alot seeing how 1.4 volts had to overcome about that in diodes, bridge rectifier style, so I need to chop off half the diodes.  If I used some magic diode that did'nt have losses I could just throw a AA battery at the ground and it would charge up.  Then you play the series and parallel game to get you number of desired output..

But if we are dealing with more then just voltaic in the dirt, the meters and devices need to have remained and picked up some of this power after a time, there is no instant just do this and bam you have it.  So in all reality to really get at the most of this energy we need to  entrained, transmit at its frequency to have near field antenna physics or resonance come in to play ...  But right now I feel alot of us are just getting voltaic in the dirt with a small hint of the earth energies.  To be honest I want to have a light powered from ground. Solar is nice but I know that the sun can be made to hide at any moment chosen, and is usually behind a nice thick cloud layer that does not behave like clouds. Anyway.  Ground energies are not affected by complete and utter blackness in the sky.  Solar is a nice turbo, and comes in handy.

I think also having inductances buried in the earth, and switching them passing inductance back and forth is the method to transmit your frequencies.  Not necessarily powering the coils, just switching the way they are connected very rapidly.  Swap inductances and a small voltage will result. 

I'll give you the graph of charges compared to MK'2 !! when the snow melts.