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electricme

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #870 on: December 01, 2009, 02:21:53 AM »
COPPER and STEEL electrodes
results almost nothing

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #871 on: December 01, 2009, 02:26:29 AM »
Copper and Magnesium electrodes results
Better than the last 2, but not as good as the first video

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #872 on: December 01, 2009, 02:35:52 AM »
Hi jim,
Please tell me about all the movement.
I think the needle moved some before you started to poke the probe into the ground, but I am not.
Why were you making the probe move?
I guess it is making the probe pass thru the EM field of the earth, isn't it?

jeanna
copper aluminum. very interesting.

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #873 on: December 01, 2009, 08:22:43 AM »
@Jeanna,

Actually, I came across this test by accident a couple of years ago.

When I was setting up my initial copper and aluminium rods in the ground, the leads were connected and I decided to move the rod sideways a bit, I was looking for a easier spot to drive it in, when I noticed the needle pointer had moved, so I replicated the movement and I saw the needle move again.

I then waggled the rod in the ground and I found I could get more energy out of the ground, just by moving the rod backwards and forwards.

Then I thought yesterday, could I do the same thing with different metals? and could I see if one metal behaved different to another type of metal.
The only way was to try it out.

This morning I carried out this test, and I discovered that the best metals that produce a reaction is Copper pipe and aluminium rod.

Now because I made this test, I think I have the answer to why we see AC mixed with the DC from the earth, please bear with me.

Ha ha, I hope I'm right, as I said, the needle on the instrument would go in one direction on the scale as the rod was pushed in say the easterly direction, then the needle swings in the opposite direction when the rod is moved in the westerly direction, if I can push and pull 3 times in 1 second, then I have made 3 cycles of AC.

With the permanent rods in the earth setups, the rods are fixed, and cannot move, but, if there are TWO different energy potentials, moving in different directions and crossing the metal rods in the earth, then I think this would show as AC.

If only a single electrical field is present, flowing in 1 direction, we have the DC component
If there is another electrical field present, flowing in a different direction, then we have an interaction of both fields, but hey are still only the DC, but the instruments "see" this as AC as well as DC.
 
Say we call one energy field the GREEN field and the other the ORANGE field.
The green field arrives first followed by the Orange field which is travelling in a different direction to the Green field.
So the meter movement sees both DC fields but it depends on which field is the strongest which instills itself as the DC, the weaker field is seen by the test instrument as the AC, but it is the instrument which is reacting to both fields which gives the impression there is ac there.

Don't worry Jeanna, it seems to be double dutch to me too, we need better heads than ours on this to work it out.
All our previous electrical knowledge says only one electric current can travel in a wire, but this is the earth, as a huge fat round ball of wire, lol.

jim
   

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #874 on: December 01, 2009, 08:29:13 AM »
Jim:

That is an interesting observation and theory you have over there.  I have to say, what you said makes sense to me.  It also might be because you are intersecting the magnetic field, like moving a magnet past a coil, or vise versa ?

Too many things to try to figure out and so little time.

***EDIT***  I just watched your videos Jim.  That is great that you discovered this.  You should put some kangaroos in your videos sometime, ha ha. (Or is it Wallaby?)


Bill
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electricme

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #875 on: December 01, 2009, 10:40:51 AM »
Thanks Bill, and especially a big thanks to Jeanna, for asking the original question, I am beginning to understand this better the longer I keep thinking about it.

jim


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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #876 on: December 01, 2009, 11:46:05 AM »
All
Here is link to hybrid between relay and transistor for switching.  Might prove useful for energizing Earth Battery?

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5039-mechanically-driven-transistor-no-spark-but-good-switching.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=660ijSND1E8

Can't see video, but should show benefits-no spark means long life.

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #877 on: December 01, 2009, 06:06:29 PM »
Say we call one energy field the GREEN field and the other the ORANGE field.
The green field arrives first followed by the Orange field which is travelling in a different direction to the Green field.

Jim, I have often pondered these things after observing my own ground experiments. There will always be a DC component from straight up electrochemical aspect. The AC is the interesting one though. If we have a natural magnetic field flowing in 'general' horizontal fashion and in 'general' S to N direction, then one would have to assume that there would be an alternating current at a right angle to the magnetic field. I posted some simple stick figure drawings a while back... Here is another one... Please feel free to comment!





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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #878 on: December 01, 2009, 06:19:22 PM »
MW383:

Nice drawing.  The line you show for the natural magnetic field seems to almost approximate the angle from the bottom of your electrodes, with the north being the deepest.  This is what I have been saying for a while.  When you match that bottom angle to the mag. dip angle in the experimenter's specific area, the output goes up.  I think your drawing shows that very well.  Nicely done.

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #879 on: December 01, 2009, 07:52:38 PM »
MW383:
......The line you show for the natural magnetic field seems to almost approximate the angle from the bottom of your electrodes, with the north being the deepest.  This is what I have been saying for a while.  When you match that bottom angle to the mag. dip angle in the experimenter's specific area, the output goes up......
Bill

This drawing based off the web link you posted a while back regarding magnetic field lines at specific locations. Dip angle was something like 88deg as I recall. 'Approx S & N' in my drawing is more like slight SE to slight NW. All of which is exactly reported in your web link. Dip angle easily verified by anyone here as to increasing output (copper slightly deeper).

Additional points I was trying to make in the picture are the AC component of the natural earth induction system, and the fact that if a cyclic/strong magnetic field was created - earth will seek to equilibrate thus a significant increase in AC. I see a Stubblefield battery as the magnetic field creator as well as AC current trapper. It really is a neat design.....



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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #880 on: December 02, 2009, 04:37:52 AM »
@ MW383

I'm still trying to get my head around all this, it seems confusing to me, but it will become clear enough soon I hope :D

@tishatang,
I have removed the 3 tuners, a couple of them need urgent care and attention.
Unfortunately, they have not been treated with care, just been thrown around and some of the plates are poling so I have to realign them, it is going to take a bit of time because I need to be very careful doing this.

On one of them, the top non moving section has come adrift, so the solder joints will need to be redone, this involves putting shims between the plates and re-sweating the soldered joints.

I have lubricated the tiny ball bearings with sewing machine oil.

The mounting of these devices have become a concern to me now, the old rubber is perished, but if I mount them on some plywood, would this be OK?
One tuner was mounted by small circlips, so this one is a snag to getting it mounted, the second one uses brass nuts on steel bolts, the last one uses pk screws.

Another matter is, what type of coil should I make, the turns you mentioned were 25, should I wind it on PVC, (got many diameters of them) or use a cardboard toilet roll.

As a bonus, these old radios have great wafer switches with many poles, especially the radios involving shortwave selection.
I was thinking about using these to select a range of coil tappings.
What do you think?

jim

below are the jpgs I promised before.

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #881 on: December 02, 2009, 05:49:12 AM »
@ All

This is way off this EB topic but I don't know where to put it.

I have a bedini, which somehow is creating an output of energy, which I am feeding into the 240v primary coil on my berried MOT, the output from the secondary, is fed into a Mercury vapor lamp, in series with a MOT capacitor, the bottom of the glass tube can be seen glowing slightly.
But the strange thing is, the bedini is not driving the VCR drum round. But it is making a high pitched noise, the 2N3055 transistor is not hot, nor is the main coil. 
The Bedini is not working, but it is still working, there is input from a 12v Battery to the bedini, I don't know whats going on, But it is still going.

Here is a tiny video as proof of this occurring.
I will follow this up with a diagram as soon as I put pen to paper.

 

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #882 on: December 02, 2009, 06:08:59 AM »
@ all,

Here is a real quickie circuit I just drew up which is all components in relation to the Bedini, MOT transformer, the MOT cap and the mercury vapor lamp.
Only the outside glass envelope is broken, the glass inner tube arrangement is intact.
Anyway, it something I did today, at least I did something ehhhh. lol

jim

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #883 on: December 02, 2009, 07:33:46 AM »

If there is another electrical field present, flowing in a different direction, then we have an interaction of both fields, but hey are still only the DC, but the instruments "see" this as AC as well as DC.
 
Say we call one energy field the GREEN field and the other the ORANGE field.
The green field arrives first followed by the Orange field which is travelling in a different direction to the Green field.
So the meter movement sees both DC fields but it depends on which field is the strongest which instills itself as the DC, the weaker field is seen by the test instrument as the AC, but it is the instrument which is reacting to both fields which gives the impression there is ac there.

Don't worry Jeanna, it seems to be double dutch to me too, we need better heads than ours on this to work it out.
All our previous electrical knowledge says only one electric current can travel in a wire, but this is the earth, as a huge fat round ball of wire, lol.

jim
 

Far be it for me to want or to try and ruffle any feathers, but I have to disagree here just a bit, so please take it for what it is, a simple disagreement.

Just because an instrument responds to either AC or DC does not mean that it plays favorites, nor does it mean that said equipment can only do one or the other. But for the sake of science here, we have to conclude one or the other. In "every" DC component, there is an AC counterpart! Science may say one thing, but the facts speak volumes about something else. So you guys have to make the call either way, but when dealing with a scope, you have a say and you have a choice if you know how to use either one of the three...

Knowing how to properly use an oscilloscope is a great beginning to a final end result. I'm not saying that I'm any kind of a master, but I get the very distinct impression that most of you don't really know how to use a scope, let alone how to properly set one up, let alone the bandwidth required to even begin to take a proper measurement. I can pretty much tell you all from experience here, if your not in the 500MHZ to the 1GHZ range, then your all way too low on bandwidth for a true reading. Myself included!

How do I know?

Cause I have compared my TEK 2235 against many others with greater bandwidth, and the difference does not take contact lenses to see.

Just food for thought so take it for what it is.

But when dealing with DC, you will always have an AC counterpart due to induction if nothing else, but when dealing with AC, you still have caps, so DC is again a counterpart. Sooo... beat it if you can, but then show me how, cause I see no way around it! I have tested and proven, so I hope some of you can prove me otherwise wrong. Until then, I say what I say because of what I have seen. I can do no more or less then that!

But either way, the waves of this world are in a constant state of flux, but magnetic flux is the point, if you ask me that is. So how do you measure it properly?

Thanks,
t3t4

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #884 on: December 02, 2009, 08:00:19 AM »
@ all,

Here is a real quickie circuit I just drew up which is all components in relation to the Bedini, MOT transformer, the MOT cap and the mercury vapor lamp.
Only the outside glass envelope is broken, the glass inner tube arrangement is intact.
Anyway, it something I did today, at least I did something ehhhh. lol

jim

Jim:

I have no idea what might be going on with your circuit but I believe you have your diode between the emitter and base reversed as drawn.  If it helps, here is my crude Bedini circuit.  Jeanna once told me mine was wired differently but I used Introvertabrate's schematics from Youtube, all 3 of mine work well but, I am no Bedini expert so maybe mine and his are wrong?

Bill