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Author Topic: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments  (Read 222612 times)

Offline altrez

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #120 on: July 20, 2009, 02:51:10 PM »
@all

Here is my test for this morning. 07/20/2009 6:45 AM Western Kentucky

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #121 on: July 20, 2009, 05:02:13 PM »
@Bill,
Regarding waveforms from the EB, this is so right, you can lookaway one moment, then look back and lo and behold, the waveform has altered, some times dramitically.
Several times they just dissapeared and I had to "go fish" em back by using the vertical sweep control.

When you asked me, "Jim, describe it to us", remember,,,, and I couldn't, ha ha ha, It wobbles like crasy, flips and turns like a cut snake, bounces up and down, it has a life of its own dosent it.

@altrez
OK next step is to make a bridge rectifier, BUT DON'T USE 1n4004 diodes.
I discovered just days ago, 1N4004 diodes will not switch fast enough to get the energy properly.
Use 1n4007 or 1N5408 diodes.(3amp 1Kv)
1N4007 are a faster switching diode, so turns on and off faster, this helps the EB energy to be converted to DC.

Then next thing to do is to solder a white LED across the + and - of the bridge.
With a bit of luck, you should see a very slight glow, but only at night time.
If you have a supercap there, remove the LED and hook it up instead, then after a few hours, you should be able to drive a JT or a LED or a tiny electric motor.

@all
My EB is still lightning my white LED, but it is very very dim, I started this yesterday, so I'm going to see how long it will remain lit up.

@jeanna,
When you take the photos of your scope readouts, try and keep the camera parallel to the face of the scope, its difficult at times to do this I know,especially if making a MOV, but the image will become easier to see.
I was amazed to see how fast the waveform was going on your scope, no wonder you had trouble trying to freeze it as you mentioned some P back, you are doing very good work.

@all,
I must be nuts, out of my tree, crasy or something, I want to tackle a ummm, make a verticle Bedini, just imagine 7 0r 8 little bedinis  stacked on top of each other, all rotating on a common shaft. All trigered by a reed switch, which switches a bunch of mosfets.
I found this ballbearing mounted exercise tredmill thrown out, it had already lost its motor to another scavenger "dump picker" (like me) lol, but he left the bearing mounted roller. ;D

I'm off to bed, Im too silly 4 words.

hooroo all
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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #122 on: July 20, 2009, 08:47:13 PM »

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@jeanna,
When you take the photos of your scope readouts, try and keep the camera parallel to the face of the scope, its difficult at times to do this I know,especially if making a MOV, but the image will become easier to see.
I was amazed to see how fast the waveform was going on your scope, no wonder you had trouble trying to freeze it as you mentioned some P back, you are doing very good work.

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Hi jim,
I make the avi files for myself, but I converted and compressed that one so you all could see the wave waving.
And, it really is fast. Amazing.

It is a dice-roll with the camera on the scope. I sometimes see a beautiful shot through the viewfinder and it turns out to be nothing but glare when it is downloaded to my computer. If I put the camera directly in front you might just see camera and no waves. I can change the contrast on the stills, or for my own viewing, but not yet on the converted video. Maybe there is a way I have not learned yet.

(I am also hoping to get the debian box to do the linux/scope. )

Now, I have one I would like to convert for you that shows the nodes.

EDIT,
Here it is
@IotaYodi this is a good example of the nodes you are talking about.
When I freeze the scope only 1 wave appears, but I do think this is what you are talking about. I don't know anything about scalar waves, but here is the mov file

It opens in quicktime.

jeanna
« Last Edit: July 20, 2009, 11:04:18 PM by jeanna »

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #123 on: July 21, 2009, 12:19:37 AM »
So are you saying the JT was hooked up when you got this waveform?

No, nothing was hooked up.  Just the EB to the scope.  What I am saying is that after seeing these three waves intertwined, that possibly I accidentally was setting up a near resonance with my JT and super cap circuits as I was getting more power out than I even had before during my experiments using that circuit. 

For the scope shots, nothing in the circuit except the EB and the scope.

Bill

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #124 on: July 21, 2009, 01:02:16 AM »
@all

Here is my data from this afternoon. I still do not see much of anything on the scope. However the volts have went up from this morning.

07/20/2009 5:45 PM Western Kentucky


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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #125 on: July 21, 2009, 01:39:53 AM »
Hi Altrez,
Are you also restricted by not owning your land?
I think your results might improve if you were to separate the probes more than they are.

But first!
Please go back out before it is too dark and set it up again and push the up button until you are reading Mv. I do not know why they made a cap letter. but these would be millivolts.
I am at the range of 10 Mv/div for this. You get a nice wave until you get the to closest (most to the right) point. Then it smoothes out.

So then, go to the left and the right once you have the waves visible. OK?

Let me know or see, if there is still enough light.

jeanna

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #126 on: July 21, 2009, 02:19:52 AM »
Hi Altrez,
Are you also restricted by not owning your land?
I think your results might improve if you were to separate the probes more than they are.

But first!
Please go back out before it is too dark and set it up again and push the up button until you are reading Mv. I do not know why they made a cap letter. but these would be millivolts.
I am at the range of 10 Mv/div for this. You get a nice wave until you get the to closest (most to the right) point. Then it smoothes out.

So then, go to the left and the right once you have the waves visible. OK?

Let me know or see, if there is still enough light.

jeanna

Hey! i own my home thankfully! I am recharging the scope so it will be in the morning. I will move them out. How far should I go. I think we need to set a standard so everyone moves to the same distance for testing. That way it will keep it all the same.

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« Reply #127 on: July 21, 2009, 02:33:21 AM »
Altrez:

The alignment is much more important than the distance but, the distance is important too.  I am at 15 feet on the N/S Meridian with my carbon much deeper than my mag. to try to match my dip angle.  If everything is lined up right, you should be able to get over 1.5 volts which will exceed the galvanic part of it.  Mine runs between 1.95 and 2.25 vdc.

Let me know if you need any help.

Bill

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #128 on: July 21, 2009, 03:00:11 AM »
Hey! i own my home thankfully! I am recharging the scope so it will be in the morning. I will move them out. How far should I go. I think we need to set a standard so everyone moves to the same distance for testing. That way it will keep it all the same.

-Altrez
I am glad you have the flexibility of owning.
I agree with Bill; distance apart is less important.
It just seemed extremely close to be 1 foot apart, so I mentioned it.
I am glad to hear you are recharging. Is that what was wrong?
I just did a movie of much more time, but it is not the whole range, so I will do that again. There were glare problems today. I guess I need an umbrella of some kind. Plain beach umbrella.
I did another one of the closest. It is 2.3MHz today. and it moves around differently.

jeanna
« Last Edit: July 21, 2009, 04:40:13 AM by jeanna »

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #129 on: July 21, 2009, 03:01:57 AM »
@ Greg,

Have you ever come across any information about a standard distance between probes for Earth Cells?
Altrez has raised a very good point here, we do need a common standard here to follow to begin tests.

I was thinking about having a set range, distance of probes apart, and depth of probes for a start.

I know the deeper one goes the higher the output, but not everyone has probes 10 foot long.

We all can get the usual length zinc coated roofing nail or bolt, then there needs to set a "standard" for the thickness of both electrodes used, because the wider the electrode is, the more area is exposed to collect energy.

So there would have to be a grading scale chart, wouldn't there.

What would your thoughts be on this Greg? and I am also inviting our readers who are reading this, if they know how to do this, please let us know.

In Gregs first post here he mentioned about the name we call the "EB", I noticed no one picked up on this, has anyone given it any thought?
Actually, after sitting here, I forming the opinion, the probes are just another part of a "tuned" device to hook up with the energy.
If we look at an TV antenna, it is tuned for a range of frequencies and null-outs the rest, the same occurs in a radio receiver, they use 1/2 wave, 1/4 wave, even 1/8 wave antennas which is a divided measurement into the full wavelength, hence the usage of the word "dipole"   

I don't want to get any deeper than that cause my math is my weakness, so I will leave that to others.

@All  :D
My LED on my EB or EC is still going, at same brightness, very very dim, but it is still there.

I have 4 geranium diodes, these just might end up as a bridge, just to see how they perform against the 1N4007 I have.


jim
 


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« Reply #130 on: July 21, 2009, 03:12:30 AM »
Jim:

Great work on your EB and the led!

The problem with a standard as I see it would be that, depending upon where one is located, will determine some of the factors.  I'm no good at trig but I did figure out how to get my distance and depths to match my dip angle.  If you change one factor you have to alter the others, etc.  This will be different for you, Jeanna, me, Greg, etc.  Now Altrez is in my same state, and even on my end of the state so his numbers won't be too far off from mine, really pretty close actually.

Now, if you are thinking about just having folks get two rods, all exactly the same for everyone and stick them in the ground the same depth and distance apart no matter where they are and then look at the waveforms, OK, I see how that could be useful to compare those results.  But if folks are going to attempt to maximize their EB outputs, there will be no standard I am afraid.

I also say that EB are not really EB's at all Jim.  Earth Energy Receivers, or antennas, etc. as you said would be more accurate.  I have just always called them this even though I almost always knew it was wrong.  Maybe we should change that.

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« Reply #131 on: July 21, 2009, 03:40:12 AM »
@all
Here is my EB - EC electrical activity this morning, actually it is just on 11:30am

There are extreamly sharp spikes today, about as sharp as I have ever seen, if you look closely, there is a downward and a upward, what I call a "super Spike", very sharp.

On the movie you can see the movement or oscillation of the activity.

@jeanna,
Thats much better, now we can see the waveform, I thought the others you had taken, the focus was out, but I can see it is indeed sharp and in focus. hmm, I wonder if parallex is what is causing the fuziness of the image.
I will put my thingcap on and come up with a fix for you.
BTW, what is the distance between the camera and the scope glass face? Just approx.

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« Reply #132 on: July 21, 2009, 03:53:39 AM »
@All,
I just had a crasy idea, I have a web cam, but it is not setup.

I was thinking it wouldn't take too much to set it up again, and when I am not using the PC, I could just let it send out image of either of the scopes. Skype will not work, it used to freeze frames, loose audio and bomb out and disconnect.

But I do have a slight problem, a bandwidth problem, I have dialup, talk about being stuck back in time in the horse and buggy days, telstra havent updated the exchange to broadband yet.

But I'm willing to try it, just to see if I can get everything setup and working.

What do you all think?

jim
   

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #133 on: July 21, 2009, 04:25:07 AM »
OK
I just cut this down to size. The glare is on the edges.
The parts I saved are the parts that are like jims. They are not as spiky but they are spiky.
I stopped at 2 places. You can hear me say 10us and 2us. These are between the markers and have no real meaning on the wave, but tell the tale by comparison.

Jim, I think more than anything we need to get some kind of resolution agreement.
Notice the wide differences in the shapes of this movie and the other one.
288K is this movie.
You can pause for a still look on the places I did not pause the camera.

I love how we can do this. Thanks jim! great idea.

jeanna

edit,
So, for instance, what length of time is between the bottoms of that spikey wave?
I had 25khz yesterday. I think this is more what kind of standard we need.

Oh and the first one for today is ON TOP of the 2 pics on my last post. it says 0 downloads as this one does too. hmm.
« Last Edit: July 21, 2009, 05:12:10 AM by jeanna »

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« Reply #134 on: July 21, 2009, 06:48:31 AM »
@Jeanna

The glare is on the edges.
Jim, I think more than anything we need to get some kind of resolution agreement.
I love how we can do this. Thanks jim! great idea.
So, for instance, what length of time is between the bottoms of that spikey wave?

I had 25khz yesterday. I think this is more what kind of standard we need.
Oh and the first one for today is ON TOP of the 2 pics on my last post. it says 0 downloads as this one does too. hmm.

OK bottom one first, I find I'm having trouble between IExplorer and Firefox, in saving files. I find it much easier to save a file in IE than firefox, I get confused easily, but when it says 0 downloads, it means no-one has actually downloaded the mov file, it wont record how many people have actually looked at the file.
I also found over the years, if people aren't aware there is a MOV file there, the green paperclip tends to fade in the background, so it might be overlooked, that's why I usually put TWV icon up, but haven't done this so far in this forum (tight KB mov file allowed).
   
The glare may be the culprit here Jeanna, what happens with Altrez mov's or stills? I think he has the same effect too.
Here is a suggestion, please let me know if it is suitable.

I think both your scopes have the screens back lit, or are illuminated somehow.

Get a big cheese grater, block all the holes on the sides, past some cardboard on each side, got to stop the light glare somehow.
Then gently place the wide end over the scope, then place the camera on the top, this should keep it all lined up and level at the same time.

If there is still a problem, make a cardboard rectangle, the outside the same as the cheese grater.
Next cut a rectangle the same size as the screen (on the scope) into the flat cardboard.
Next tape it on the underside of the cheese grater.

If you don't want to fiddle doing that, get some tin snips and cut a section of the cheese grater, the same size of the whole meter, out of the side of the cheese greater, then you could slide the meter through the side of it, make sure there are no sharp edges.
 

@Bill,
Standard size of probes, dip angles and resolution is defiantly what we need here, and for a permanent setup I think it is essential.

But for a real quick setup just to give an "indication" I see no problems anyone using the old nail and copper strip.
I see we all have given this the thumbs up, what does everyone think about this? before anything is set in concrete.

I will have to look for my scope booklet and read up on it lol, I don't know everything.

jim

 

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